Supreme Court to rule if police opinions about whether a driver is high should count as expert evide

VIANARCHRIS

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OTTAWA — A dispute over the admissibility of police “opinions” at drugged-driving trials lands at the Supreme Court of Canada Thursday in a case spotlighting an emerging legal dilemma over the hazy science of marijuana impairment.

With federal legislation to legalize recreational marijuana use expected next spring, the case of Carson Bingley of Ottawa could decide if, without a scientific standard, police officers’ opinions about whether motorists were high while driving should be automatically accepted as expert evidence at trial.

Unlike alcohol impairment, there is no legal blood-concentration driving limit for the active ingredients in marijuana and other drugs, nor is there an approved instrument for police to take readings that will be accepted in court.

A scientific advisory committee is reviewing the international literature to determine if there is consensus on appropriate blood-level limits for THC, the major psychoactive component of marijuana. But new research suggests a blood-cannabis concentration is not a reliable predictor of how impaired a person is.

This forces courts to rely on the opinions of police officers trained to spot drug impairment. But opinions are typically only allowed as evidence at criminal trials if they are made by qualified experts. The question of admissibility is usually decided during a voir dire hearing before the presiding judge.




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The state’s concern is that requiring drug recognition evaluators (DREs) to submit to voir dires so they can testify will add delays and other complications to drug-impaired driving trials, which may dissuade police from pursing all but the more serious cases.

The competing concern is that personal opinions about drug-impairment levels, even from police, should not be legally acceptable in determining criminal guilt.

In 2009, Ottawa police charged Bingley with driving while impaired after he drove the wrong way and collided with a car. An arriving police officer said he showed signs of intoxication, but there was no smell of alcohol on his breath.

After an alcohol screening test found his blood-alcohol level was well below the legal limit, a police DRE administered a standard field sobriety test, which Bingley failed.

At a police station, he underwent a standardized 12-step drug evaluation. Bingley admitted to taking two Xanax and smoking half a gram of marijuana in the previous 12 hours.

Based on his admission and the results of the evaluation, the DRE decided his ability to drive was impaired by cannabis.

In provincial court, the judge admitted into evidence the DRE’s opinion as a “lay” opinion and dispensed with a voir dire.


The judge found that a 2008 section of the Criminal Code, introduced as part of the Harper Conservatives’ tough-on-crime legislative agenda, allows police DREs to automatically give expert opinions at impaired-driving trials, as they do in drunk driving cases.

Still, he acquitted Bingley, ruling there was a reasonable doubt about his guilt.

The provision’s actual wording, however, is not explicit and leaves open the question of whether Parliament intended DREs’ testimony to automatically be granted expert-opinion status – and evidentiary weight – by courts.

The Crown successfully appealed Bingley’s acquittal and a second trial was ordered.

But the new trial judge interpreted section 254 (3.1) differently and held a voir dire to determine whether to qualify the DRE was an expert witness. He later ruled the officer’s evidence was inadmissible and Bingley was once again acquitted.

The Crown appealed to the Ontario Court of Appeal, which found the police officer’s opinion was admissible under section 254 (3.1). Bingley was later granted leave to appeal to the Supreme Court.
 

OGEvilgenius

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He took Xanax before driving and smoked a joint, but they decided it was the cannabis that impaired him. SMH.

Also, Canadian law being gross again and the Crown appealing an acquittal.
 

jafro daweedhound

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Legalization, with it's stricter harsher laws may provide police a chance to practice capital punishment. uNcLe BiLl has already expressed interest in streamlining dealing with "them damn dope smokers".
im medicated 24-7 so I guess I have to walk, lol
HC will be putting in lanes for cannabis users and getting ride of bike lanes.......
 

The Hippy

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sounds like lp weed. buzz from the pesticides lasts about 10-15 minutes, but the tumors last a lifetime......
Learn how your favourite LP may use pesticides that are dangerous to burn right up to harvest day. Feel the Monsanto advantage with each inhalation...........
Buying LP schwagg is like driving yourself into a wall.
 

jafro daweedhound

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YOU BE THE JUDGE;

As was recently testified by an "expert witness",

Well your honor, as a past executive with Tim Hortons, it is my professional opinion that the officer was under the influence of a dozen donuts and multiple extra large double, doubles. His eyes were blood shot, he had "a white powder" in his moustache, and he kept bouncing around like he had to pee bad. It is my opinion that he was on a sugary, caffeine induced body high. Completely incapable of operating his squad car safely.........

Only the names have been changed to protect the guilty.........
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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i hate to admit this but i recently got a possesion charge, from a park ranger in a national park. he said i was driving erratically, i say he thought i looked like a stoner. he was a condescending prick, who made me do all kinds of sobriety tests, that my friends watching later told me i did perfectly, but he found fault with every one, kept telling me i needed to reassess my life choices, that i was driving impared and could kill someone on the way to my house, 4 miles away. he made me call 2 friends to take me and my car home, wrote me a 460 dollar ticket( the point of the whole exercise) and drove off while i waited for the two friends i had to inconvenience to get there.
i'm not bragging, and i have a pretty good sense of myself, thats been confirmed by other peoples opinions for a long time. i may have been slightly impaired, but i'm one of the safest drivers on the road. i've graduated two defensive driving courses, was a cab driver for 4 years, have avoided hundreds of accidents (living in a tourist area, going to the store is like playing frogger). I Wasn't even close to being impaired, he just got lucky, if he hadn't smelled it on me and seached my car, he wouldn't have had any clue.
he could have taken me to jail, but that would cost them money, not make them money. he could have had my car towed, but again, that would just take him more time and not get them any more money, so he didn't bother.
he did remind me that we're playing a game, and the other side has guns, while all i have is a glass chillum.
won't forget again soon.
 

Rob Roy

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i hate to admit this but i recently got a possesion charge, from a park ranger in a national park. he said i was driving erratically, i say he thought i looked like a stoner. he was a condescending prick, who made me do all kinds of sobriety tests, that my friends watching later told me i did perfectly, but he found fault with every one, kept telling me i needed to reassess my life choices, that i was driving impared and could kill someone on the way to my house, 4 miles away. he made me call 2 friends to take me and my car home, wrote me a 460 dollar ticket( the point of the whole exercise) and drove off while i waited for the two friends i had to inconvenience to get there.
i'm not bragging, and i have a pretty good sense of myself, thats been confirmed by other peoples opinions for a long time. i may have been slightly impaired, but i'm one of the safest drivers on the road. i've graduated two defensive driving courses, was a cab driver for 4 years, have avoided hundreds of accidents (living in a tourist area, going to the store is like playing frogger). I Wasn't even close to being impaired, he just got lucky, if he hadn't smelled it on me and seached my car, he wouldn't have had any clue.
he could have taken me to jail, but that would cost them money, not make them money. he could have had my car towed, but again, that would just take him more time and not get them any more money, so he didn't bother.
he did remind me that we're playing a game, and the other side has guns, while all i have is a glass chillum.
won't forget again soon.
Don't pay the fine. Fight it in court. Call your friends as witnesses that you were not impaired.

Did you give him permission to perform a search ?
 

torontoke

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i hate to admit this but i recently got a possesion charge, from a park ranger in a national park. he said i was driving erratically, i say he thought i looked like a stoner. he was a condescending prick, who made me do all kinds of sobriety tests, that my friends watching later told me i did perfectly, but he found fault with every one, kept telling me i needed to reassess my life choices, that i was driving impared and could kill someone on the way to my house, 4 miles away. he made me call 2 friends to take me and my car home, wrote me a 460 dollar ticket( the point of the whole exercise) and drove off while i waited for the two friends i had to inconvenience to get there.
he could have taken me to jail, but that would cost them money, not make them money. he could have had my car towed, but again, that would just take him more time and not get them any more money, so he didn't bother.
he did remind me that we're playing a game, and the other side has guns, while all i have is a glass chillum.
won't forget again soon.
Lawyer up
You have witnesses and he made a threat. Would make for a very entertaining day in court.

I recently had a bad experience aswell but here's the worst part. I wasn't even driving :shock:
My friend is driving I'm in the passenger seat burnin a big blunt to my face windows down tunes cranked. Minivan pulls up beside us and this trailer park boys grandma just starts freaking out on me.
Apparently she is a school volunteer with 6 kids inside and they shouldn't know what that smell is and I'm risking their lives etc etc etc.
She follows us to the Home Depot and 2 minutes later there's a cop checking my papers and running my pockets. Snarly old bitches is just laughing while watching with the shitty kids from their van.
Cop says "well unfortunately I can't give u a ticket or arrest you but you should use better judgement in the future!"
"U mean like driving a mini van full of kids with two fentanyl patches on and smoking?"
Bet that bitch regrets that cell phone call while driving now
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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don't forget , this was in a national park, that means no judge, Magistrate, and if i lose, thats fed time, not county picking up garbage on my days off time.
i'll pay the fine, i just won't forget about it, be a long goddamn time before they get another dollar off of me.
 

CalyxCrusher

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Still goes to the courts. The parks have no judicial system at all. National park or not. I grew up drinking at one every May 24 weekend and saw lots of shit go down. They just call the cops while they detain you.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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i got in trouble a long time ago in the park, had to go to court, to see the magistrate, and if i would have gotten anything over 11 months and 29 days, i would have had to go to the pen..it wasn't anything that serious, but thats what all the papers said
 
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