Surprise! Leftist Minimum Wage Policy Backfires in Seattle Suburb

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spandy

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NoDrama said:
whao whao there fella, you start giving people 30 hours, you gotta start giving them insurance. We can't have people around here thinking they can just go to a doctor if they get sick, hell no, they stay working so they can afford the doctor, and they only miss work if they almost dead.
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No see, they need to clock the fuck out after that "back breaking" 5.5 hour shift and go do something else somewhere else on their clock. Going to work at 6am and coming home at noon and saying "DONE" and then expecting to get to play for the rest of the day when you can't pay your bills is asking for problems.
 
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reasonevangelist

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Last time i checked, an "8 hour" work shift actually requires a minimum of 11 hours of spent energy, if not upwards of 13. And most of that time is filled with inevitable stress, which is a hugely detrimental health factor.

In each 24 hours, adults need a minimum of 2 REM cycles in one uninterrupted sleep session, which needs about 6+ hours to occur. 8 is recommended, for many reasons, but i'd say 9 is better (3 cycles).

So let's say someone gets the "standard" 8 hour sleep (and manages to control their environment well enough to be reliably uninterrupted). That leaves 16 hours to be awake.

Of those 16 waking hours, if 5 of 7 days, a minimum of half of that is consumed by being in a perpetually stressful environment, 1 is consumed for "lunch hour," and 2 are consumed for transit to and from work (1 hr each way is a reasonable estimate in most cases, even for local employment, due to urban traffic and typical business hours "rush hour" with every worker trying to use the same roads to cross town at the same time).

So that's now 11 of the 16 available hours, every day, being perpetually exposed to uncontrollably elevated stress. It takes most people ~2 hours to "wind down" from an "8 hour" work day (partly because it's actually ~13, including pre-departure and post-return, non-compensated parts).

So now, each person has 3 hours, maximum, of their day remaining, for 5 out of each 7 days. That doesn't include breakfast or dinner. Now we're down to ONE hour of personal time per day, contrasted by almost all of the rest of the 16 hours of daily consciousness being consumed by "the machine," and without sufficient compensation to provide for the cost of increasing the person's health, during and despite all those overwhelming and persistent detriments.

This wears people out, not to mention destroying their morale and keeping them too busy just struggling to survive, to actually make good use of that 1 remaining free hour of 5/7ths of their days. And the other 2/7ths of their days are spent trying to relax, recover, and not think about work.

What is the point of working yourself to death, in a process that has, by design, eliminated the feasibility of meaningful advancement?

If you believe continued participation in such a process will lead to "success..." you've never been there.
 
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Red1966

Red1966

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AlecTheGardener said:
Red does this when someone disagrees with him and they get his hackles up.

A defense mechanism. He also gets rude without provocation.
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And then some little ass wipe not a party to the conversation has to put his off topic, irrelevant "I got bitch-slapped, so I'm going to post stupid derogatory remarks" two cents in. Nobody wants your idiot opinions.
 
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AlecTheGardener

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Red1966 said:
And then some little ass wipe not a party to the conversation has to put his off topic, irrelevant "I got bitch-slapped, so I'm going to post stupid derogatory remarks" two cents in. Nobody wants your idiot opinions.
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I just really dislike you Red, what else can I say?

At a bare minimum I keep it clean and only try to rile you up on the /politics/ section. In other sections I treat you like everyone else. I tried to make it right with you a few times Red.

After you launched a few personal attacks on me in the past I decided I would actively try to poke you when I can.

Thanks for the bitch slap Red.

If you feel we can stop bumpin' heads let's figure out a solution and apologize to each other openly on these forums.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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travisw said:
And that's when people start dying, you heartless fuck.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/new-jersey-woman-worked-multiple-jobs-dies-napping-car-cops-article-1.1920260
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Trouble with citing articles, sometimes the part you didn't bother to read because you only read the part that you thought supported your agenda tosses your proposition in the trash.

""I told (her) she could get a better job, but she said she didn't want to work in an office," Culhane said."
 
Red1966

Red1966

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reasonevangelist said:
Last time i checked, an "8 hour" work shift actually requires a minimum of 11 hours of spent energy, if not upwards of 13. And most of that time is filled with inevitable stress, which is a hugely detrimental health factor.

In each 24 hours, adults need a minimum of 2 REM cycles in one uninterrupted sleep session, which needs about 6+ hours to occur. 8 is recommended, for many reasons, but i'd say 9 is better (3 cycles).

So let's say someone gets the "standard" 8 hour sleep (and manages to control their environment well enough to be reliably uninterrupted). That leaves 16 hours to be awake.

Of those 16 waking hours, if 5 of 7 days, a minimum of half of that is consumed by being in a perpetually stressful environment, 1 is consumed for "lunch hour," and 2 are consumed for transit to and from work (1 hr each way is a reasonable estimate in most cases, even for local employment, due to urban traffic and typical business hours "rush hour" with every worker trying to use the same roads to cross town at the same time).

So that's now 11 of the 16 available hours, every day, being perpetually exposed to uncontrollably elevated stress. It takes most people ~2 hours to "wind down" from an "8 hour" work day (partly because it's actually ~13, including pre-departure and post-return, non-compensated parts).

So now, each person has 3 hours, maximum, of their day remaining, for 5 out of each 7 days. That doesn't include breakfast or dinner. Now we're down to ONE hour of personal time per day, contrasted by almost all of the rest of the 16 hours of daily consciousness being consumed by "the machine," and without sufficient compensation to provide for the cost of increasing the person's health, during and despite all those overwhelming and persistent detriments.

This wears people out, not to mention destroying their morale and keeping them too busy just struggling to survive, to actually make good use of that 1 remaining free hour of 5/7ths of their days. And the other 2/7ths of their days are spent trying to relax, recover, and not think about work.

What is the point of working yourself to death, in a process that has, by design, eliminated the feasibility of meaningful advancement?

If you believe continued participation in such a process will lead to "success..." you've never been there.
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Aren't YOU the guy posting about how unsuccessful you've been your entire life?
 
Red1966

Red1966

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AlecTheGardener said:
I just really dislike you Red, what else can I say?

At a bare minimum I keep it clean and only try to rile you up on the /politics/ section. In other sections I treat you like everyone else. I tried to make it right with you a few times Red.

After you launched a few personal attacks on me in the past I decided I would actively try to poke you when I can.

Thanks for the bitch slap Red.

If you feel we can stop bumpin' heads let's figure out a solution and apologize to each other openly on these forums.
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OK. I apologize. But you do realize it is my nature to snap back?
 
Sand4x105

Sand4x105

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UncleBuck said:
with 4,253 walmarts making $17 billion every year, that works out to about $4,000,000 a store (for our hypothetical purposes).

that would mean $296k in taxes in idaho and $264k in taxes in oregon.


try another reason, smarty.



http://www.statisticbrain.com/wal-mart-company-statistics/
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So what you are saying, is that you think walmart is a good thing... and all those jobs at walmart are good jobs...
How many walmarts are in Idaho, and Oregon? what does it matter...
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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reasonevangelist said:
Last time i checked, an "8 hour" work shift actually requires a minimum of 11 hours of spent energy, if not upwards of 13. And most of that time is filled with inevitable stress, which is a hugely detrimental health factor.

In each 24 hours, adults need a minimum of 2 REM cycles in one uninterrupted sleep session, which needs about 6+ hours to occur. 8 is recommended, for many reasons, but i'd say 9 is better (3 cycles).

So let's say someone gets the "standard" 8 hour sleep (and manages to control their environment well enough to be reliably uninterrupted). That leaves 16 hours to be awake.

Of those 16 waking hours, if 5 of 7 days, a minimum of half of that is consumed by being in a perpetually stressful environment, 1 is consumed for "lunch hour," and 2 are consumed for transit to and from work (1 hr each way is a reasonable estimate in most cases, even for local employment, due to urban traffic and typical business hours "rush hour" with every worker trying to use the same roads to cross town at the same time).

So that's now 11 of the 16 available hours, every day, being perpetually exposed to uncontrollably elevated stress. It takes most people ~2 hours to "wind down" from an "8 hour" work day (partly because it's actually ~13, including pre-departure and post-return, non-compensated parts).

So now, each person has 3 hours, maximum, of their day remaining, for 5 out of each 7 days. That doesn't include breakfast or dinner. Now we're down to ONE hour of personal time per day, contrasted by almost all of the rest of the 16 hours of daily consciousness being consumed by "the machine," and without sufficient compensation to provide for the cost of increasing the person's health, during and despite all those overwhelming and persistent detriments.

This wears people out, not to mention destroying their morale and keeping them too busy just struggling to survive, to actually make good use of that 1 remaining free hour of 5/7ths of their days. And the other 2/7ths of their days are spent trying to relax, recover, and not think about work.

What is the point of working yourself to death, in a process that has, by design, eliminated the feasibility of meaningful advancement?

If you believe continued participation in such a process will lead to "success..." you've never been there.
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So instead I've chosen to work myself to death growing weed. Lol
 
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schuylaar

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spandy said:
No see, they need to clock the fuck out after that "back breaking" 5.5 hour shift and go do something else somewhere else on their clock. Going to work at 6am and coming home at noon and saying "DONE" and then expecting to get to play for the rest of the day when you can't pay your bills is asking for problems.
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i call bullshit!

that's where you have it wrong, spanky.

the above is employer driven.

a full-time job ala` 1950's when dad goes to work and mom stays home with their little cherubs, is the ideology of the right yet what is being missed is that:

1. minimum wage which drives other wages is stagnant..prices of everything continues to skyrocket while the public struggles with these increases..why are prices rising when minimum wage hasn't? and then you want to tell me you have to raise prices in order to raise minimum wage? which is it?..can't have your cake and eat it too, boys.

2. employers have figured out long ago how to beat the system by no longer offering full-time work just part-timers in order to not pay benefits which kick in at 30 hours..the domino effect..now you have all these workers with not enough hours/no benefits/large corporations forcing american workers to apply for entitlement programs just to survive..all on the taxpayers dime.
 
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schuylaar

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Sand4x105 said:
So what you are saying, is that you think walmart is a good thing... and all those jobs at walmart are good jobs...
How many walmarts are in Idaho, and Oregon? what does it matter...
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yes, it does matter because wal-marts have forced out mom and pop stores taking the natural balance of competitive commerce away.
 
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