T5 lights

jawbrodt

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TO what depth will the T5 HO's be effective? I've been thinking of using 24" to mother, clone and veg. Can they be effective 12 - 18 inches? How would the heat from 8 24" T5 HO's compare with a 400w MH?
I checked my 2-bulb 4 foot T5 with my light meter, and it dropped below 3,000 lumens, at about 8" from the bulbs. I'd say that 18" is the max size for those lights. The plants will start stretching if they get much taller than that. I've grown 2' plants with no problems. They were stretched a little, but it wasn't too bad because it opened them up, so to speak. Now, I try to keep them between 16" and 18", and am happy with the results. :cool:
 

P4CM4N

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TO what depth will the T5 HO's be effective? I've been thinking of using 24" to mother, clone and veg. Can they be effective 12 - 18 inches? How would the heat from 8 24" T5 HO's compare with a 400w MH?
In all honesty, you can get it as close as you want as long as you have enough light hitting all the leaves. I had mine about two inches away from my two Bubbas while they were vegging. The great thing about T5s are that there is virtually no heat and they don't burn your plants even at close range. And if you want the best photosynthetic effect, you'll probably want them that close anyway because as Jaw said, the amount of energy is greatly dispersed at around 8. Hell, even 6 inches. So have at it and find what distance works best for you.
 

jawbrodt

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^Exactly. I kept mine within 2" or less, and all the shorter plants got spacers(boxes, pieces of wood, etc) under the pots to raise them up to the heigth of that tallest ones, so that they're all at the same level, getting max light. IMO, anything over 3" away, is simply unacceptable. :wink:
 

Touchet

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^Exactly. I kept mine within 2" or less, and all the shorter plants got spacers(boxes, pieces of wood, etc) under the pots to raise them up to the heigth of that tallest ones, so that they're all at the same level, getting max light. IMO, anything over 3" away, is simply unacceptable. :wink:

Taken from even with the light, a T5 feliz 250 watt



thats three feet
 

nattyhead357

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I thing I am going to try a set up like thisGR.jpgSCROG.jpg.... This was my idea for CFLs. if I went With T5 for the top lights wouldnt I lose Lumens, oppossed to the amount of CFLs I would be using.
 

Touchet

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In 1995, T5 fluorescent lamps entered the market in the United States.
T5 lamps are fluorescent lamps that are 5/8" of an inch in diameter.
T5 lamps are available for standard output and high output. The wattages for standard T5 lamps are 14, 21, 28, and 35 watts. The high-output T5 (T5 HO) lamps are available in 24, 39, 54, and 80 watts

Lamp Type Nominal Length CCT Light Output* (lm) Lamp Efficacy** (in) (K) (lm/W) Initial Mean T5 14W 22 3,000-6,500 1,350 1,269-1,275 96 T5 21W 34 3,000-6,500 2,100 1,974-2,000 100 T5 28W 46 3,000-6,500 2,900 2,726-2,750 104 T5 35W 58 3,000-6,500 3,650 3,431-3,450 104 T5 HO 24W 22 3,000-6,500 2,000 1,880-1,895 83 T5 HO 39W 34 3,000-6,500 3,500 3,290-3,320 90 T5 HO 54W 46 3,000-6,500 5,000 4,700-4,740 93 T5 HO 80W 58 3,000-6,500 7,000 6,580-6,650 88
Now some info on NON LINEAR T5 lighting, I'll start with what I use, Feliz.

Feliz lights have a 10,000 hour life cycle with a 6 month warranty. Their proven success in high humidity environments and their ability to provide both red and blue spectrums make them the leading bulb on the market!

200 watt Feliz 6500k:
8620 Lumens
• Ideal for use with Sun System® and Bright Wing® fixtures
• Proven success in high humidity
• Designed for horticulture
• Full Spectrum
• Fits standard mogul base socket
• Cool spectrum for vegetative growing
• 6 months warranty

250 watt Feliz: (what I use)
11,600 Lumens
• Ideal for use with Sun System® and Bright Wing® fixtures
• Proven success in high humidity
• Designed for horticulture
• Full Spectrum
• Fits standard mogul base socket
• Cool spectrum for vegetative growing
• 6 months warranty

250 watt feliz 2700k:
12,452 Lumens
• Ideal for use with Sun System® and Bright Wing® fixtures
• Proven success in high humidity
• Designed for horticulture
• Full Spectrum
• Fits standard mogul base socket
• Warm spectrum for flower production
• 6 months warranty

So, you could easily see the value as far as lumen output goes given the fact you can place them literally an inch above the plant if you like. I use them for veg right now but will be adding (3) of the 250 watt 2700k lights to my flowering chamber next month. That will give me a total just under 70,000 lumen for a 3ftW X 5ftL X 4ftT area. Should help increase the flower size a little bit. The flowering chamber currently has (2) 150 HPS lights in it to help me reach that 70K lumen mark. Temp in there with the two HPS lights is on average 81*f when I added the (3) other fluro's for heat testing the temperature on average over the course of one 12/12 cycle was 82.6*f. Adding the three fluro's only gave me a 1.6*f temp raise, sooo that pretty much made up my mind on whether or not to buy them.

Hope any of this helps the OP


 

Bonzi Lighthouse

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In all honesty, you can get it as close as you want as long as you have enough light hitting all the leaves. I had mine about two inches away from my two Bubbas while they were vegging. The great thing about T5s are that there is virtually no heat and they don't burn your plants even at close range. And if you want the best photosynthetic effect, you'll probably want them that close anyway because as Jaw said, the amount of energy is greatly dispersed at around 8. Hell, even 6 inches. So have at it and find what distance works best for you.
My guys are missing my point. My question is what is the effective distance of the T5 HO. Right now I have 1 node per inch, first node 1 inch above the soil and the light is 24" above the soil. Is there a chart like this for T5 & CFL?
 

jawbrodt

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Also...HPS is alot more efficient that CFLs, watt for watt. It would take over 1000 watts of CFL, to match the output of a 600 watt HPS. :cool:
 

nattyhead357

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valid points from everyone... I think I will end up using CFLS and battle with the positioning (partly cause I have already bought them :O)
 

jawbrodt

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I don't have a definitive answer since I don't know what the effective range is down into the canopy. My noob guess would I would take the HID lights, if i could handle the heat.

CFLs aren't sufficient for growing, once you get into the 6"+ range, whereas the 600 watt HPS had a 2' useable range. I just checked my 600 HPS with my light meter, yesterday(out of curiosity.lol), and was getting 3,000 lumens, at about 2 feet from the light. After that, the output was useless. Pretty impressive though, IMO. Hmm....I think I'll go check the 400 now, and see what I find. I think it's good for 16-18", but i better go check, 'cause my memory isn't too great, sometimes. :lol:

Results coming soon.... :cool:
 

Touchet

New Member
My area is 3ft X 5ft X 4ft, a 600 watt HID in there would heat it up some.
I have one pic from my heat test, we hung all the lights so the ballasts where at the same level. When they go in they will be on gull wing fixtures and horizontal, not vertical as you see here.





So, once installed each end fluro fixture will be tilted for maximum coverage area, the middle fixture straight down in between the two HPS light fixtures. / - - - \ this will fully cover my area with no dead spots. On the other hand a 600 watt HPS would make more heat and leave one foot worth of secondary light at either end of the chamber going by the estimate of covering a 4ft X 4ft area. Also I would need to hang it pretty high and my chamber is only 4ft from pot top to bottom of the light in highest position. So in my particular case, yes, I would take the 750 watts worth of fluro's ([3] 250 watt T5 Feliz bulbs) and add it to my 300 watts of HPS I have now. Being able to fill in the gaps with 12,000 lumens of 2700k inches away from the plants is going to make a ton of change in the penetration through out the plants. If I was running a cool tube or similar I would take the 600 watt HPS and change my set up to a stadium NFT gully set up to maximize the light pattern of the fixture.


"CFLs aren't sufficient for growing," I beg to differ here,
a 250 watt Feliz in action, about 34" give or take from the top of the canopy.



and these aren't stretching out for light by any means,



I would say they are growing just fine. And as for flowering, I can buy a 250 watt Feliz 2700k so we can find out. I love doing side by sides.
 

jawbrodt

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^I should've mentioned that I was referring to those 13,23, and 42 watt CFLs that are available everywhere, not those monsters that you're using.lol Those smaller CFL bulbs are useless when they are positioned more than 4-5"(give or take),from the plant, IMO.


Those lights are really 34" from the tops? Holy fuck, those are some seriously close internodes. :shock: Those Feliz CFLs must have some massive light penetration ability, for results like that. I've never even seen results like that from a 1,000 watt MH, let alone a 250 watt CFL. Wow, now I'm curious.lol I'm going to check into them when i get a little time later on, and see what makes them so effective. I'm assuming that the spectrum has alot to do with it, rather than brute force? I should probably look at the link, eh, and read for myself? :lol:
 

Smokeypapa

Active Member
I would think the strain you are growing has alot to do with the internode spacing. They do look good. What strain is that?
 
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