T5 vs. Hps

Power to you godslave, I have a friend that grows SOG style with cfls and his buds are awesome! I grow under big assed 1000w lights and always thought he was a little nutty for budding with shitty little cfls but in SOG where you don't need the penetration you can have great results and decent yeild. In short if you are getting good results with them then its a testament to your skills with the plant kudos!

95,000 is more than 80,000. FYI Lumens has nothing to do with distance, foot-candles is what you are trying to infer.

The Fluoro setup uses 872 watts and puts out 15% less over all light. Its the equivalent of paying 65% more for the same thing.

in short, the 2 fluoro setups are not as good as the 600 HPS, BUT you do have 2 setups, so you could make better use of a tight space restriction. Fluoros are good for seedlings and cuttings.


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DrFever said:

i have one fixture doing 170,000 lumens in a 4 x 4 foot area as well i cross with another 170,000 lumin in between so makin it litterally 250,000 lumens per
If not more for a 3 x 3 foot area DO THE MATH now some people may not or cannot afford HPS but lets not beat around the bush you cant compare the to
By the time you finish flowering from start to finish with your T5's i will be already almost done my second harvest
Dude what i am saying is from 4" clones leaving T'5's and goin into Veg room 21 days i am litterally 18" tall and switching into flower yes dude thats how fast with T'5s u be if your lucky and i mean lucky 8 " tall

know with Xmass comin maybe ask your mom and dad for 1000 watt cause dude your still in diapers with T5's

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Dude, in case you haven't read my posts, I have a 2x2x3.5' flower chamber I work with. I don't NEED a 1000 watt HPS, are you kidding me? Since this is for personal use, I do not need to run my plants as fast as you apparently do, in fact I sometime skip 1 or 2 cycles because I simply don't need it. So, knock it off with the diapers crap just because of the lights I choose to use. I've been growing for almost a decade now and have perfected the best way for ME to grow for MYSELF and my friends, how dare you imply that I am some kid or something and know nothing about growing simply because of my choices. If you want to grow big, go for it, just give it a rest about my small grow.

palerider said:

Power to you godslave, I have a friend that grows SOG style with cfls and his buds are awesome! I grow under big assed 1000w lights and always thought he was a little nutty for budding with shitty little cfls but in SOG where you don't need the penetration you can have great results and decent yeild. In short if you are getting good results with them then its a testament to your skills with the plant kudos!

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Thanks! Finally someone who actually knows someone who is doing a similar grow and can confirm what I am saying.

I think its cool and would love to see some pics of your grow. Hats off to you . I use T5s for early veg and they work pretty well. Always wondered how they would bloom under them if done small.

heres my humble opinion. they are bout equal. both can be used extremely effectively. However where my choice is made lies in price. HPS's are cheaper. for the price of your setup you could have 2 600w hps's atleast. maybe 2 1000w hps's. i wont argue about performance because i think cfls or led's will eventually phase out hid's but right now its not worth it to me with my miniscule wallet

dlively11 said:

I think its cool and would love to see some pics of your grow. Hats off to you . I use T5s for early veg and they work pretty well. Always wondered how they would bloom under them if done small.

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Thanks. Probably won't see any pictures from me, sorry, it's all about security.

NoDrama said:

95,000 is more than 80,000. FYI Lumens has nothing to do with distance, foot-candles is what you are trying to infer.

The Fluoro setup uses 872 watts and puts out 15% less over all light. Its the equivalent of paying 65% more for the same thing.

in short, the 2 fluoro setups are not as good as the 600 HPS, BUT you do have 2 setups, so you could make better use of a tight space restriction. Fluoros are good for seedlings and cuttings.


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Like I said earlier. With Fluoescents you use more killowatts of power per gram produced vs HID. Simple math.

kid cannabis said:

heres my humble opinion. they are bout equal. both can be used extremely effectively. However where my choice is made lies in price. HPS's are cheaper. for the price of your setup you could have 2 600w hps's atleast. maybe 2 1000w hps's. i wont argue about performance because i think cfls or led's will eventually phase out hid's but right now its not worth it to me with my miniscule wallet

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You may be right, in lights I may have spent more than I could with HPS, but I also did not spend the $$ in ventilation for that bulb. I needed stealth anyway, so fluro's were the best option for me. I used the ventilation and odor removal costs to add CO2. To me the minor amount that I may have overspent, is worth it for the chamber that I have created.
To date I have spent less than $225 for flowering lights, reflectors, and hangers...about the same as a 400 or 600 HPS, but I have no heat issues to deal with.
Just a personal choice.

GS

this really comes down to penetration. You can get more light in a short area close to the bulbs (though think par, lumens aren't really useful for plants), however the t5 will drop off faster than the HID as you move down. So say your top 12 inches below the bulb might receive higher par ratings on the t5 than the HID will in the top 24", accounting for distances and heat, often the t5 will outperform the hid in the area near the bulb since you can place them so much closer. But after you go 12 inches the HID will catch up and pass the t5 on par. those heights are made up, but illustrate differences in the technology. If you have super short plants, t5 might well outperform an HID, but the taller the plants get the better the HID gets and the worse t5's get.

Even with short plants I see a huge difference in veg between the two lights. I put my plants in a 4X4 under T5s at first at around 4-5 inches tall with lights right on top of them. Then when I want to kick start them to plant in bloom room I put about half of them in a 3X3 under a 600 watt HPS. The plants I leave under the T5s lose the race in a big way. The HID plants get much thicker stems and are much more lush then the T5 plants I left behind. The HID plants are growing MUCH faster. So as far as t5 VS HID , HID wins hands down IMO and my experience.

T5s actually put out a lot of heat. Same heat per watt as HID. So if you have 12 T5 bulbs you are putting out the same heat as a 600 watt HID. I have a 4X4 in a tight space for veg that I use them on. I presently have 8 T5 bulbs over it. Even though they are close to the plants it isnt enough light for a 4X4 anyway. I would add a few more but it already gets too darn hot in there. They have their place no doubt but if you have the vertical room HID is the way to go just get a lower watt bulb 250-400 etc. Plants will grow better and heat is the same. Only reason I see to use them ver HID is if you are vertically challenged in which case they rock.

I just dont think the technology is advanced enough in t5's or led to replace HID's. A 1000w hps cool tube takes up less space and would run about $200 new if you diy and shop around thats not even factoring in that if you live in the city you can go on craigslist you can get one for half that if you take the time to look. thats less than the 300-400 for your set up growspace

GodSlave said:

Thanks. Probably won't see any pictures from me, sorry, it's all about security.

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WoooooHooooo!!!!!!!!!!!! I win the bet.......I knew the 'security card' would be played............. Pay up Roscoe......

cowboylogic said:

WoooooHooooo!!!!!!!!!!!! I win the bet.......I knew the 'security card' would be played............. Pay up Roscoe......

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Whatever dude, if you ever had the cops come into your house, confiscate your grow equipment, guns, computers, take you to jail, and charge you with a felony, I don't think you would be too eager to post incriminating photos that can be tied back to you in court either. So, you can hate all you want, I don't really care. I wish now I would never have said anything. You've never grown in my exact conditions, yet your willing to call me a liar, WHATEVER!... I'm done with this, I have no interest in this pissing contest.

my box will be 2.5 sq f .i want to make a sog there.and i was thinkin of [FONT=&quot]16 x 14w t5 =224w =16800 lum .[/FONT]6720 lum/sqf
a sea of light over the sea of green.keeping my plants on the proper distance can this work ?