Tangie and Pennywise assistance wanted!!

good morning everyone! i can't remember how to start a new thread so i thought maybe i could get some help from here. i have some DNA genetics tangie growing and some TGA sub cool pennywise. all were germinated june 28th and were all transplanted to happy frog potting soil with a fluorescent light 25w. they began to stretch to about 3in and so i transplanted them on August 7th to a bigger room with 4 gallon pots and a 400w MH light. The lights are on 18/6. Two fans are circulating air, the humidity reads about 50-60% during the day and the temperature is in between 24-28C (75.2-86F) I attached pictures here because two of the tangie are growing strangely as well as one of the pennywise. The have almost a lighter green around the outside of the leaves and the inside is darker green. The tangies are curling a lot and in general they don't look as happy was they could! The first two pics are of one tangie, second two pics of the second tagnie, and the last pic is of the pennywise! Any help would be much appreciated as I have zero idea why these young ladies would be growing strangely as if they had a deficiency or something. PLEASE LET ME KNOW YOUR OPINION, thanks everybody for your time!

have you fed these gurls ? they have a look of over watered and under fed .

I'm thinking they may be a little over watered but no nuts yet. have had them in the happy frog since they sprouted, let dry for a few days?

mozarttea said:

I'm thinking they may be a little over watered but no nuts yet. have had them in the happy frog since they sprouted, let dry for a few days?

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let them dry out , let the pot get really light , then feed 1/2 strength let pot dry out then next feed full strength water feed water feed water feed ect ect.

ok so the next time water with half strength nutes and then let them dry. after that put full strength nutes and let them dry and from then on keep watering with full strength nutes?

mozarttea said:

ok so the next time water with half strength nutes and then let them dry. after that put full strength nutes and let them dry and from then on keep watering with full strength nutes?

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1/2feed then full feed then straight water then feed then straight water then feed ect.ect . but make sure they dryout in between , the pots should be light

pinkjackyle said:

1/2feed then full feed then straight water then feed then straight water then feed ect.ect . but make sure they dryout in between , the pots should be light

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ok awesome thank you! gonna make a full grow log or start a new thread with constant updates during the grow, appreciate it if you would follow along!

they are still growing very slowly and haven't put any water yet, the pots still feel kinda heavy so maybe there is water that is taking longer to evaporate. the best thing to do would be to wait rather then try to speed up the drying of the soil?

Those bottom leaves curling is from nitrogen overdose. If it was heat it'd start from the top. Happy Frog has aton of nitrogen. If you add nutes your gonna be in more trouble. Letting it get that dry is also making that soil burn your roots more and more. Too dry, too much Nitrogen.

Yeah after looking more, soil is pulling away from the pot sides, you do Not want your pot to bone dry up. You want it to feel light, not empty. Your getting bad nutes burn and bad nitrogen toxicity.

SoHextracts said:

Yeah after looking more, soil is pulling away from the pot sides, you do Not want your pot to bone dry up. You want it to feel light, not empty. Your getting bad nutes burn and bad nitrogen toxicity.

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the pot isn't bone dry, the top inch or two is pretty dry but the pots still weigh enough not the be empty. i also haven't given any nutes to them yet as still waiting for the pots to lighten up before putting more water. how do you suggest to go from here?

you could try repotting and adding 30-40-% perlite to the mix or maybe put a fan on them.

pinkjackyle said:

you could try repotting and adding 30-40-% perlite to the mix or maybe put a fan on them.

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ok prob try to leave a fan for them to dry more and if necessary after few more days will repot with perlite. what does the perlite help for anyways?

mozarttea said:

ok prob try to leave a fan for them to dry more and if necessary after few more days will repot with perlite. what does the perlite help for anyways?

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helps it drain better and makes the mix more "airy" wouldnt be a bad idea to dust the root ball with granulated mycos get the micro beasties in there .

pinkjackyle said:

helps it drain better and makes the mix more "airy" wouldnt be a bad idea to dust the root ball with granulated mycos get the micro beasties in there .

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awesome thanks, will keep an eye out for perlite! i am fairly new to this so sorry for so many questions. what do you mean by dust the root ball with granulated mycos?

mozarttea said:

awesome thanks, will keep an eye out for perlite! i am fairly new to this so sorry for so many questions. what do you mean by dust the root ball with granulated mycos?

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mycorrhizae benificial fungas , you want 100% myco with out the other specimens no trichoderma as they eat abuscular and endos. the two mycos in particular you are looking for is glomus mosseae and glomus intrardices sorry if i have confused you . earth juice has a good product , earth juice rooters mycorrhizae

pinkjackyle said:

mycorrhizae benificial fungas , you want 100% myco with out the other specimens no trichoderma as they eat abuscular and endos. the two mycos in particular you are looking for is glomus mosseae and glomus intrardices sorry if i have confused you . earth juice has a good product , earth juice rooters mycorrhizae

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no i really appreciate the help, lots of great info to learn about plants and the soil they live in!

pinkjackyle said:

mycorrhizae benificial fungas , you want 100% myco with out the other specimens no trichoderma as they eat abuscular and endos. the two mycos in particular you are looking for is glomus mosseae and glomus intrardices sorry if i have confused you . earth juice has a good product , earth juice rooters mycorrhizae

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just have been letting them sit while figuring out what i can get over here. i was able to find perlite and thats about it for now. here are some sad looking pics i took just after the lights turned off, of course missed them by 2 minutes..

Looks highly over feed. What kind of pot mix are you using?

hexthat said:

Looks highly over feed. What kind of pot mix are you using?

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havent fed any nutes yet, just went straight from germ to seedlings in Happy Frog potting soil. they started growing a little bit but after i transferred to a bigger pots now are stunted and having all these weird problems