Terpenel- What makes weed smell the way it does?

For about a month now ive been doing alot of research about growing weed. At about the end of December i will be starting my own growop. But in my research i came across a topic of Terpene. Terpene is a large hydrocarbon that and are major essentials ingredients in resin and is also what give your weed flavor (like oranges or lemons). These terpenes are found in weed.

Here is the article.
Terpenes in cannabis - the Green House Seed Co. approach

Along with terpene there are many more-
Alpha-Pinene
Myrcene
Limonene
Sabinene

From this article i found that there are these oils that can be bought online. All of these products are food safe and organic.
Greenterpene™ 100 Pure D Limonene Food Grade "Orange Terpenes" UPC99701001140 | eBay
Grapefruit Pink Pure Essential Oil - 0.5 oz - ZIN: 305105

What would be the best way to feed the oils to the plant.
One method talked about is cutting the entire mj plant down before harvest in letting in sit in a container with the oil in it for a couple of days.

What would be the best what to get the oil into the plant?
Adding it in a nute mix, spraying it on the plant, or flushing with it?

I don't think the plant will take up oil, regardless of how you administer it. Plants take up water and whatever is dissolved in it, but oil would be disruptive to the plant's normal processes. I don't think you could get away with using anything that is not in a water solution.

not even with a foliar spray, its not like its sugar and would be harsh?

not even with a foliar spray, its not like its sugar and would be harsh?

If you spray these onto your plant, you'll destroy the trichomes. Limonene is a great solvent for cannabinoids.

And some personal opinion: simple monoterpenes give more of an unsophisticated nose to the weed. The sesqui-and diterpenes are the principal seat of that enticing complex aroma. cn

cannabineer said:

If you spray these onto your plant, you'll destroy the trichomes. Limonene is a great solvent for cannabinoids.

And some personal opinion: simple monoterpenes give more of an unsophisticated nose to the weed. The sesqui-and diterpenes are the principal seat of that enticing complex aroma. cn

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wouldn't these things also clog the stomata on the plants as well in a foliar spray c/n??

racerboy71 said:

wouldn't these things also clog the stomata on the plants as well in a foliar spray c/n??

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I don't think so. Foliar oil sprays seem to work well on plants not in flower. It could be toxic to the leaves though, using such a light penetrating oil. cn

Keep in mind that you will be smoking the oil as well as the terpenes.

I so maybe i should use foliar oil spray in the veg state?

do u think there is a way to use is on the mj plant?

Man, I was all psyched up for some good terpene discussion.. maybe some talk about how the terpenes actually effect the experience directly, "coloring" the high....

Sigh.

You lost me at "how do I put this shit in my plants"...

the interesting thing about terpenes is their natural existence within the plant already, and the variations thereof from strain to strain...

I think in general use in horticulture oil sprays only work on the surface of the plant. They are used to kill certain insect pests by covering them and basically suffocating them. Systemic horticultural products don't use oil as a matrix as far as I know. Oils do not penetrate the leaf surface to the best of my knowledge. Oil in tissue that is not supposed to contain oil would interrupt the normal functions that the plant's cells use water for.

AltarNation said:

Man, I was all psyched up for some good terpene discussion.. maybe some talk about how the terpenes actually effect the experience directly, "coloring" the high....

Sigh.

You lost me at "how do I put this shit in my plants"...

the interesting thing about terpenes is their natural existence within the plant already, and the variations thereof from strain to strain...

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Do you know if this has been studied? cn

cannabineer said:

Do you know if this has been studied? cn

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i have read a bit on the subject. i will see if i can dig it back up.

THE MAJOR TERPENES OF CANNABIS RESIN AND THEIR EFFECTS
BORNEOL – BORNEOL IS A MAJOR COMPONENT OF CANNABIS RESIN THAT CAN ALSO BE FOUND IN CINNAMON AND WORMWOOD (ARTEMESIA SPP). IN CHINESE MEDICINE HERBS CONTAINING BORNEOL ARE RECOMMENDED FOR FATIGUE AND OVERSTRESS. BORNEAL IS MENTIONED TO BE A CALMING SEDATIVE.
CORRYPHYLLENE – CORRYPHYLLENE IS A MAJOR COMPONENT OF CANNABIS RESIN THAT CAN ALSO BE FOUND IN BLACK PEPPER AND CLOVES. IT IS A FAIRLY WEAK AGONIST OF THE TYPE 2 CANNABINOID RECEPTORS (CB2). AS A CONSTITUENT OF A SALVE OR LOTION CORPHYLLENE IS AN EFFECTIVE ANTI- INFLAMMATORY AND ANALGESIC. DRUG DOGS ARE TRAINED TO SPECIFICALLY SNIFF OUT CORPHYLLENE EPOXIDE, A SIMILAR COMPOUND PRODUCED ONLY BY CANNABIS.
CINEOLE/EUCALYPTOL – CINEOLE/EUCALYPTOL CONTENT IS QUITE VARIABLE ACROSS VARIETIES OF CANNABIS, BUT IS OFTEN A MAJOR COMPONENT OF THE ESSENTIAL OIL. IT IS ALSO FOUND IN ROSEMARY AND EUCALYPTUS AND IS USED TO INCREASE CIRCULATION, AND REDUCE PAIN AND SWELLING WHEN APPLIED TOPICALLY. IT READILY CROSSES THE BLOOD/BRAIN BARRIER, POSSIBLY HELPING CANNABINOIDS TO CROSS MORE READILY AS WELL. THE EFFECTS OF CINEOLE, WHEN COMBINED WITH ORAL OR SMOKED CANNABIS, ARE REPORTED AS BEING VERY UPLIFTING, NOTICEABLY INCREASING MENTAL AND PHYSICAL ENERGY. THIS TERPENE, OR OTHERS LIKE IT, MAY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REPORTED DIFFERENCE IN EFFECT BETWEEN INDICA AND SATIVA STRAINS WITH A SIMILAR CANNABINOID PROFILE.
LIMONENE – FOUND IN CANNABIS RESIN AS WELL AS TROPICAL FRUIT RINDS, LIMONENE IS AN ANTI-BACTERIAL, ANTI FUNGAL AND ANTI CANCER AGENT. CURRENTLY UNDERGOING TRIALS FOR USE AS AN ANTI DEPRESSANT, IT IS ALSO KNOWN TO INCREASE THE ABSORPTION OF OTHER TERPENES BY MAKING CELL MEMBRANES MORE PERMEABLE. THE PRESENCE OF THIS ANTI FUNGAL AGENT MAY BE HELPFUL IN PROTECTING AGAINST ASPERGILLUS INFECTION IN THOSE WITH COMPROMISED IMMUNITY WHEN USING SPOILED OR POORLY CURED MARIJUANA. LIMONENE IS CURRENTLY IN TRIALS TO STUDY ITS ABILITY TO PREVENT BREAST CANCER FORMATION.
DELTA-3-CARENE – A COMPONENT OF CANNABIS, ROSEMARY, PINE, AND CEDAR RESIN. AROMATHERAPY OILS THAT CONTAIN HIGH LEVELS OF DELTA3CARENE ARE USED TO DRY EXCESS FLUIDS FROM THE EYES, NOSE, OR MOUTH. IT IS THOUGHT TO BE AT LEAST PARTIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DRY MOUTH AND EYE PROBLEMS THAT ARE COMMON SIDE EFFECTS OF THE USE OF CANNABIS.
LINALOOL – THIS MAJOR COMPONENT OF CANNABIS AND LAVENDER OILS IS BELIEVED TO POSSESS ANTI ANXIETY AND SEDATIVE PROPERTIES. STRAINS THAT ARE HIGH IN LINALOOL AND SIMILAR COMPOUNDS MAY BE PARTICULARLY BENEFICIAL FOR PATIENTS WHO EXPERIENCE INSOMNIA WHEN CONSUMING CANNABIS.
MYRCENE – SIGNIFICANT CONCENTRATIONS OF MYRCENE ARE PRESENT IN CANNABIS RESIN. IT IS ALSO FOUND IN MANGO, HOPS, LEMON GRASS, EAST INDIAN BAY TREE, AND VERBENA. BECAUSE OF ITS APPEALING FRAGRANCE, MYRCENE IS USED IN THE PERFUME INDUSTRY. IT HAS A SIMILAR MODULATING EFFECT ON THE BINDING OF CANNABINOID AGONIST DRUGS AS CANNABIDIOL, POSSIBLY REDUCING EFFECTS OF CANNABIS RESIN THAT ARE FOUND TO BE UNPLEASANT FOR SOME MEDICAL USERS. IT HAS ANTI MICROBIAL, ANTI SEPTIC, ANALGESIC, ANTI OXIDANT, ANTI CARCINOGEN AND ANTI-INFLAMMATORY PROPERTIES. IT HAS SHOWN SOME PROMISE WHEN USED AS AN ANTI DEPRESSANT, OR AS AN ADDITIVE TO OTHER ANTI DEPRESSANT DRUGS AND IS ALSO USED IN MASSAGE THERAPY AS A MUSCLE RELAXER.
TERPINEOL – MINOR COMPONENT OF CANNABIS RESIN, USED EXTENSIVELY IN THE PERFUME INDUSTRY. INTERESTINGLY THIS TERPENE DECREASES MOTILITY OF LAB RATS BY 45 PERCENT, THIS OBSERVATION COUPLED WITH THE FACT THAT THIS IS A TERPENE PRODUCED PRIMARILY IN CANNABIS INDICA PLANTS INDICATES TERPINEOL COULD PLAY A ROLE IN DECREASED MOTILITY SOMETIMES REFERRED TO AS “COUCH LOCK”.

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http://cannabishealthnewsmagazine.com/news/1238/importance-of-terpenes/

not the exact one i read, but has a lot of the same information.

well i do know that some of these terpene can effect absorption of thc, myrcene increases the permeability of the cell membrane, which translates to increased thc absorption forr a faster high. And that some of the terepenes have vitamin c which effect the high.

It would be pretty cool to be able to just by a certain type of oil chosen for a certain trait it has to effect your plants the way you want. Adding terpene to get a certain flavor, increase res, or to effect you high!

Unfortunately that looks somewhat like a page from a guide on naturopathy, and reminds me of the properties attributed to crystals. The list is nice, but without studies behind it ... it seems like an effort to legitimize untested, declared-thus anecdote. Jmo. cn

cannabineer said:

Unfortunately that looks somewhat like a page from a guide on naturopathy, and reminds me of the properties attributed to crystals. The list is nice, but without studies behind it ... it seems like an effort to legitimize untested, declared-thus anecdote. Jmo. cn

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There was a specific article, posted here, sometime in the last year. I want to say it was a scan of a magazine article. That's about all I can remember. But it was a really interesting read. It was basically a cross-analysis of the effects of 100% pure thc versus 100% pure cbn versus the same mixed with some terpene content... I wish I could find it now... it was really interesting stuff, and I was really hoping this thread was reviving the subject!

From what I recall, the testing basically yielded results that strongly suggest that terpenes and the flavor/smell of a given strain are what give it it's unique characteristics, rather than it just being the cannabinoid content.

To me this actually makes a looooot of sense, because smell is VERY closely linked subconscious memory aspects... so when we smell/taste something, we're more likely to conjure some sort of associative property emotionally, versus other senses, which work through a more conscious routing system. Wish I could remember the details on that part too... heh.

AltarNation said:

There was a specific article, posted here, sometime in the last year. I want to say it was a scan of a magazine article. That's about all I can remember. But it was a really interesting read. It was basically a cross-analysis of the effects of 100% pure thc versus 100% pure cbn versus the same mixed with some terpene content... I wish I could find it now... it was really interesting stuff, and I was really hoping this thread was reviving the subject!

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I haven't seen that one. i agree ... a somewhat disciplined discussion of the effects (and interactions) of the components of oleoresin Cannabis would be cool. I worry that doing such a study (expensive!) will need to await a kinder Federal climate. Maybe some Europeans are already on it, with Spain's and the Netherlands' more open policies ... cn