David Ferguson
Active Member
Anyone have opinion on Terp nutes AND/OR Products? What about tips for terp-iness? Plz share thoughts and suggestions. Thanks
Terps/terp nitrients
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kratos015
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Posted this a while back, hope you don't mind me sharing as I think it'll be useful to you.
"The key to growing for terpenes is a combination of incredible soil and good genetics. In your case, you'd either want to find a clone that provides the flavor profile you're looking for or attempt to make the cross yourself. Once you've got your clone, get yourself the highest quality living soil you can source. If you can't find it, make it yourself
Terpenes are actually the result of the constant communications all the bacteria and fungi are making with one another. So, your terpene profile will essentially be a reflection of your soil.
"
If you’re small, smells are a good way to stand out. A team of researchers led by the Netherlands Institute of Ecology (NIOO-KNAW) has demonstrated for the first time that two different types of micro-organisms – bacteria and fungi – use fragrances, known as terpenes, to hold conversations. And that’s not all. “We actually believe that terpenes are the most popular chemical medium on our planet to communicate through.”
"
https://nioo.knaw.nl/en/press/worlds-most-spoken-language-isterpene’
Sounds wacky at first, but consider that these "communications" are essentially the roots signaling to the microbes in the soil what it wants, and when.
As kingzt also pointed out, minerals play a part in not just terpene production but a balanced soil. I've heard people swear by sulfer and calcium to increase terpene production, but can only find articles about calcium helping.
https://scialert.net/fulltext/?doi=ijb.2005.196.200
My soil is amended with basalt, oyster shell flour, and GRD for my mineral profile and I've noticed a difference since then. Those 3 not only provide me with loads of minerals (including calcium and sulfer) but the OSF buffers the peat moss. Been running this soil for over a year and the smell and taste is unreal, for anything you grow in this. I started growing my own veggies once I realized this about terpenes. If this soil can produce incredible smelling and tasting meds, it should work with veggies too right? Yes and yes! You can practically grow anything if your soil is good enough. When you cut into a cucumber/tomato/etc grown in a well balanced living organic soil, the same soil we're using on our girls, it's hard to go back to store bought veggies just like it's hard to go back to a dispensary.
tl;dr: Look into living organic soil and grow a clone that has the flavor profile you want in it."
Look at any "terp" nutrient solution and I guarantee that you'll find sulfur, magnesium, calcium, and potassium in it as those tend to be the elements that specifically help terpene production. Don't listen to anyone hyping sugar water/sugar water products, they don't work.
My "terp solution" is a foliar spray. Get yourself some ProTekt/liquid silica, liquid kelp/seaweed, and epsom salts and foliar feed with it 1-2 times a week. Don't spray it on one plant so you can see the difference on the off chance you don't believe me. But this foliar spray combined with a top quality organic soil and equally amazing genetics will provide some of the best tasting/smelling product you'll find. Not many of these dispensaries cultivate for flavor, sadly.
David Ferguson
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Thank u both!Posted this a while back, hope you don't mind me sharing as I think it'll be useful to you.
"The key to growing for terpenes is a combination of incredible soil and good genetics. In your case, you'd either want to find a clone that provides the flavor profile you're looking for or attempt to make the cross yourself. Once you've got your clone, get yourself the highest quality living soil you can source. If you can't find it, make it yourself
Terpenes are actually the result of the constant communications all the bacteria and fungi are making with one another. So, your terpene profile will essentially be a reflection of your soil.
"
If you’re small, smells are a good way to stand out. A team of researchers led by the Netherlands Institute of Ecology (NIOO-KNAW) has demonstrated for the first time that two different types of micro-organisms – bacteria and fungi – use fragrances, known as terpenes, to hold conversations. And that’s not all. “We actually believe that terpenes are the most popular chemical medium on our planet to communicate through.”
"
https://nioo.knaw.nl/en/press/worlds-most-spoken-language-isterpene’
Sounds wacky at first, but consider that these "communications" are essentially the roots signaling to the microbes in the soil what it wants, and when.
As kingzt also pointed out, minerals play a part in not just terpene production but a balanced soil. I've heard people swear by sulfer and calcium to increase terpene production, but can only find articles about calcium helping.
https://scialert.net/fulltext/?doi=ijb.2005.196.200
My soil is amended with basalt, oyster shell flour, and GRD for my mineral profile and I've noticed a difference since then. Those 3 not only provide me with loads of minerals (including calcium and sulfer) but the OSF buffers the peat moss. Been running this soil for over a year and the smell and taste is unreal, for anything you grow in this. I started growing my own veggies once I realized this about terpenes. If this soil can produce incredible smelling and tasting meds, it should work with veggies too right? Yes and yes! You can practically grow anything if your soil is good enough. When you cut into a cucumber/tomato/etc grown in a well balanced living organic soil, the same soil we're using on our girls, it's hard to go back to store bought veggies just like it's hard to go back to a dispensary.
tl;dr: Look into living organic soil and grow a clone that has the flavor profile you want in it."
Look at any "terp" nutrient solution and I guarantee that you'll find sulfur, magnesium, calcium, and potassium in it as those tend to be the elements that specifically help terpene production. Don't listen to anyone hyping sugar water/sugar water products, they don't work.
My "terp solution" is a foliar spray. Get yourself some ProTekt/liquid silica, liquid kelp/seaweed, and epsom salts and foliar feed with it 1-2 times a week. Don't spray it on one plant so you can see the difference on the off chance you don't believe me. But this foliar spray combined with a top quality organic soil and equally amazing genetics will provide some of the best tasting/smelling product you'll find. Not many of these dispensaries cultivate for flavor, sadly.
swedsteven
Well-Known Member
True that got my best tasting bud from organic soil and the best thc content
Organic rasberryglue 32%return rosin
Grow 1 time
Syntetic rasberryglue 22% return rosin
Grow4 time
Now i try to get the same result semi-organic
Organic rasberryglue 32%return rosin
Grow 1 time
Syntetic rasberryglue 22% return rosin
Grow4 time
Now i try to get the same result semi-organic
How much of each are you foliaring?Posted this a while back, hope you don't mind me sharing as I think it'll be useful to you.
"The key to growing for terpenes is a combination of incredible soil and good genetics. In your case, you'd either want to find a clone that provides the flavor profile you're looking for or attempt to make the cross yourself. Once you've got your clone, get yourself the highest quality living soil you can source. If you can't find it, make it yourself
Terpenes are actually the result of the constant communications all the bacteria and fungi are making with one another. So, your terpene profile will essentially be a reflection of your soil.
"
If you’re small, smells are a good way to stand out. A team of researchers led by the Netherlands Institute of Ecology (NIOO-KNAW) has demonstrated for the first time that two different types of micro-organisms – bacteria and fungi – use fragrances, known as terpenes, to hold conversations. And that’s not all. “We actually believe that terpenes are the most popular chemical medium on our planet to communicate through.”
"
https://nioo.knaw.nl/en/press/worlds-most-spoken-language-isterpene’
Sounds wacky at first, but consider that these "communications" are essentially the roots signaling to the microbes in the soil what it wants, and when.
As kingzt also pointed out, minerals play a part in not just terpene production but a balanced soil. I've heard people swear by sulfer and calcium to increase terpene production, but can only find articles about calcium helping.
https://scialert.net/fulltext/?doi=ijb.2005.196.200
My soil is amended with basalt, oyster shell flour, and GRD for my mineral profile and I've noticed a difference since then. Those 3 not only provide me with loads of minerals (including calcium and sulfer) but the OSF buffers the peat moss. Been running this soil for over a year and the smell and taste is unreal, for anything you grow in this. I started growing my own veggies once I realized this about terpenes. If this soil can produce incredible smelling and tasting meds, it should work with veggies too right? Yes and yes! You can practically grow anything if your soil is good enough. When you cut into a cucumber/tomato/etc grown in a well balanced living organic soil, the same soil we're using on our girls, it's hard to go back to store bought veggies just like it's hard to go back to a dispensary.
tl;dr: Look into living organic soil and grow a clone that has the flavor profile you want in it."
Look at any "terp" nutrient solution and I guarantee that you'll find sulfur, magnesium, calcium, and potassium in it as those tend to be the elements that specifically help terpene production. Don't listen to anyone hyping sugar water/sugar water products, they don't work.
My "terp solution" is a foliar spray. Get yourself some ProTekt/liquid silica, liquid kelp/seaweed, and epsom salts and foliar feed with it 1-2 times a week. Don't spray it on one plant so you can see the difference on the off chance you don't believe me. But this foliar spray combined with a top quality organic soil and equally amazing genetics will provide some of the best tasting/smelling product you'll find. Not many of these dispensaries cultivate for flavor, sadly.
David Ferguson
Active Member
Yes, how much of each are you foliaring^?
kratos015
Well-Known Member
I follow the recommended dosages on the bottles for the Kelp/Protekt products, depending on the size of the plants I'll do this 1-2 times a week.
As for the epsom salts, it varies. This is going to be dependent on your strain as well as the amount of Mg that is already in your soil. You really don't want to overdo epsom salts/Mg or you'll just cause more problems.
I use 1/4-1/2tsp Epsom Salts per gallon of water, you really don't need all that much.
My well water is very heavily calcified, so I don't actually need a source of Calcium for the foliar feed. However, if you don't have heavily calcified water then you can simply save egg shells and boil them in water. This will both sterilize the egg shells and will give you calcium infused water. Mix the egg shell water with epsom salts, a silica product of some sort, and liquid kelp/seaweed and you've got your own homemade "terp juice".
I recommend AgSil for the Silica product. WAY cheaper than grabbing a bottle of ProTekt or something, and it lasts longer.
As with anything in organics, don't overdo it. Think of it like adding salt to a dish you're cooking. The amount of salt you use will vary depending on the dish. It's also easy to overdo salt. So you keep adding and tasting/testing until you get the desired results.
And lastly, this foliar feed won't do much if you have other issues in the grow. This mix won't fix a poorly made soil, nor will it make certain genetics "better". All this does is gives the plant/living soil what it needs to focus on producing terpenes, so if there's an issue with your soil and/or plant this won't do much.
HTH!
As for the epsom salts, it varies. This is going to be dependent on your strain as well as the amount of Mg that is already in your soil. You really don't want to overdo epsom salts/Mg or you'll just cause more problems.
I use 1/4-1/2tsp Epsom Salts per gallon of water, you really don't need all that much.
My well water is very heavily calcified, so I don't actually need a source of Calcium for the foliar feed. However, if you don't have heavily calcified water then you can simply save egg shells and boil them in water. This will both sterilize the egg shells and will give you calcium infused water. Mix the egg shell water with epsom salts, a silica product of some sort, and liquid kelp/seaweed and you've got your own homemade "terp juice".
I recommend AgSil for the Silica product. WAY cheaper than grabbing a bottle of ProTekt or something, and it lasts longer.
As with anything in organics, don't overdo it. Think of it like adding salt to a dish you're cooking. The amount of salt you use will vary depending on the dish. It's also easy to overdo salt. So you keep adding and tasting/testing until you get the desired results.
And lastly, this foliar feed won't do much if you have other issues in the grow. This mix won't fix a poorly made soil, nor will it make certain genetics "better". All this does is gives the plant/living soil what it needs to focus on producing terpenes, so if there's an issue with your soil and/or plant this won't do much.
HTH!