Testing Beneficial Bacteria in Ebb and Flow (AK47 with Great White)

cthroo

Member
So I like ur thread I am doing the same thing but with sunshine #4, there's a new mix that has mycorrhizae in it but its pure coco so requires cal mag and freq. Salt leeaching. Anyways I would like to follow the thread...how are ppl suppose to do this. Is there a link or something to select to show you your marked threads? Koo thanks and good luck
 

Illumination

New Member
So I like ur thread I am doing the same thing but with sunshine #4, there's a new mix that has mycorrhizae in it but its pure coco so requires cal mag and freq. Salt leeaching. Anyways I would like to follow the thread...how are ppl suppose to do this. Is there a link or something to select to show you your marked threads? Koo thanks and good luck
at the upper potion of this page you will see "Thread Tools" ...click on it and the third option at the bottom of the dropdown is the subscribe to this thread tab...select that will ask you to confirm then once you do anytime anyone posts it will show up on your my rollitup

Hope it helps

Namaste'
 

homebrewer

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Day 43 today and I wish I had some observations to report. Great White at this point in time is aiding in the uptake of mineral salts, but I don't know that these plants look or smell any different than my previous AK47 grows. They could possibly be slightly more resinous at this stage than normal, but only slightly. One of my observations on my first run with GW and my Dumpster strain is that GW seemed to increase resin production, but that's a lot easier to compare when the plant is done. So I'll hold off on confirming that for this grow.

The feeding levels are still down around 1.2 EC, pH at 5.9 and plants are doing well. I'm doing my weekly res change tonight after my 'leaching of the salts' test. I'll be posting the results of clearex vs no clearex to see if this product actually helps leach salts. Stay tuned!

Here are the girls:







 

xivex

Active Member
Gorgeous buds my man. Love the size and color! Green healthy bitches! :)

Very interested in your results with Clearex as I use it for a final flush before harvest and would love to see what you think of it! :)

Thanks,

X
 

beardogg

Member
Absolutely gorgeous grow and room!. Just trying to dial in my cycles. I have somewhat limited height in my bloom room but I also love the benefits of ScrOG. So my question to you is how tall do you let your ladies get in the Veg state. They look to be about 18+ inches tall. So then how tall do you unobstructed ladies rise to, for this AK-47?
 

homebrewer

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Absolutely gorgeous grow and room!. Just trying to dial in my cycles. I have somewhat limited height in my bloom room but I also love the benefits of ScrOG. So my question to you is how tall do you let your ladies get in the Veg state. They look to be about 18+ inches tall. So then how tall do you unobstructed ladies rise to, for this AK-47?
I veg to about 15-18" and they usually end up around 36-40" tall. But that 36-40" is shorter than they could be as I supercrop as much as I can to maintain a relatively even canopy. I don't veg to a certain height necessarily, I veg until I like the structure and branching of the plant.
 

homebrewer

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The experiment:

I have 2 identical setups with 6 plants in each tray. The plants in each tray are the same age, however, the trays contain different strains and are being fed with different nutrients at different feeding levels.

The AK47 in this journal is getting DG nutes at 850ppm and the Dumpster tray is getting GH nutes at 1100ppm. GH is a saltier formula and given the same feeding levels, the EC of my ‘leached’ water is always higher when feeding with GH nutes as compared to DG nutes (measured many times in previous grows).

In this experiment, my AK47 tray being fed with DG nutes will be flushed with Clearex at 10mls/gallon and the Dumpster tray will be flushed with plain tap water. It would stand to reason that if Clearex did make a difference, the EC of the leached water from the AK47 tray would be equal or greater than that of the Dumpster tray.

On the other hand, if clearex made no difference at all, the EC of the leached water from the Dumpster tray would be greater than that of the DG tray since GH is a saltier formula and is being fed at higher levels.

Let’s get started

Both trays were given a base of around 250ppm (half RO and half tap water). The AK47 tray was given 10mls/gallon of clearex while the Dumpster tray was left alone.



Starting point for the AK47 tray:





Starting point for the Dumpster tray:




Both trays were flooded for 2 hours and at 3 separate times during the flood, I hand-poured res water over the blocks multiple times to leach salts from the top of the blocks.

The Conclusion:

The ppm of the Dumpster reservoir that was leached with plain water was 850ppm. The ppm of the AK47 reservoir that was leached with Clearex was 690ppm.

In the past when leaching these two trays, I’d normally expect about a 200ppm difference between the two and considering the difference is only 160ppm, that tells me that the effectiveness of Clearex over water is negligible, at best.

I will not be purchasing this garbage ever again.


Final PPM for the AK47 tray:






Final PPM for the Dumpster tray:

 

Illumination

New Member



The experiment:

I have 2 identical setups with 6 plants in each tray. The plants in each tray are the same age, however, the trays contain different strains and are being fed with different nutrients at different feeding levels.

The AK47 in this journal is getting DG nutes at 850ppm and the Dumpster tray is getting GH nutes at 1100ppm. GH is a saltier formula and given the same feeding levels, the EC of my ‘leached’ water is always higher when feeding with GH nutes as compared to DG nutes (measured many times in previous grows).

In this experiment, my AK47 tray being fed with DG nutes will be flushed with Clearex at 10mls/gallon and the Dumpster tray will be flushed with plain tap water. It would stand to reason that if Clearex did make a difference, the EC of the leached water from the AK47 tray would be equal or greater than that of the Dumpster tray.

On the other hand, if clearex made no difference at all, the EC of the leached water from the Dumpster tray would be greater than that of the DG tray since GH is a saltier formula and is being fed at higher levels.

Let’s get started

Both trays were given a base of around 250ppm (half RO and half tap water). The AK47 tray was given 10mls/gallon of clearex while the Dumpster tray was left alone.



Starting point for the AK47 tray:





Starting point for the Dumpster tray:




Both trays were flooded for 2 hours and at 3 separate times during the flood, I hand-poured res water over the blocks multiple times to leach salts from the top of the blocks.

The Conclusion:

The ppm of the Dumpster reservoir that was leached with plain water was 850ppm. The ppm of the AK47 reservoir that was leached with Clearex was 690ppm.

In the past when leaching these two trays, I’d normally expect about a 200ppm difference between the two and considering the difference is only 160ppm, that tells me that the effectiveness of Clearex over water is negligible, at best.

I will not be purchasing this garbage ever again.


Final PPM for the AK47 tray:






Final PPM for the Dumpster tray:

Not surprised as that is the stuff that I mistook for Sweet...this is the product which is only diluted glucose and sucrose...sugar water basically

Namaste':leaf:
 

xivex

Active Member
Good stuff to know. I wont be buying this again either. Thx for the informative comparison HB! :)
 

beardogg

Member
But isnt it adding "essential" carbs and other trace minerals during the flush, ie molassas? Depending on one's water residuals, you would get some trace minerals but no carbs. Are we giving you HB, a starting point for the next test? adding carbs vs. not? thoughts?
 

homebrewer

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But isnt it adding "essential" carbs and other trace minerals during the flush, ie molassas? Depending on one's water residuals, you would get some trace minerals but no carbs. Are we giving you HB, a starting point for the next test? adding carbs vs. not? thoughts?
There are no 'essential carbs'. Plants have a limited ability to pull up sugars from the medium so it's pretty safe to say 'carbs do nothing' for your plants. I'm using sweet in this journal because it feeds the microbes BUT it also adds a good dose of magnesium and sulfur which plants can use if needed. I think it also has aminos in it but just like sugars, your plants already make those. Despite what all the newbs around here want to believe, molasses is probably about as beneficial as clearex from a 'essential plant nutrition' stand point.
 

bigsourD

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There are no 'essential carbs'. Plants have a limited ability to pull up sugars from the medium so it's pretty safe to say 'carbs do nothing' for your plants. I'm using sweet in this journal because it feeds the microbes BUT it also adds a good dose of magnesium and sulfur which plants can use if needed. I think it also has aminos in it but just like sugars, your plants already make those. Despite what all the newbs around here want to believe, molasses is probably about as beneficial as clearex from a 'essential plant nutrition' stand point.
lol... essential carbs. First time i've heard that.
 

shnkrmn

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Yea, but it 'loosens salt bonds' or some such crap. There's a reason why plain water is called the universal solvent.

I too have a gallon of clearex that I bought on a whim. Without the work that Homebrewer just did, NO ONE could say whether it had any effect at all. How can sugar water A) be useful for dissolving salts?) B) cost so much? I'm pouring that out too. I can use the empty jug I guess. Congrats on another addition to the knowledge base, HB.

Not surprised as that is the stuff that I mistook for Sweet...this is the product which is only diluted glucose and sucrose...sugar water basically

Namaste':leaf:
 

homebrewer

Well-Known Member
Yea, but it 'loosens salt bonds' or some such crap. There's a reason why plain water is called the universal solvent.

I too have a gallon of clearex that I bought on a whim. Without the work that Homebrewer just did, NO ONE could say whether it had any effect at all. How can sugar water A) be useful for dissolving salts?) B) cost so much? I'm pouring that out too. I can use the empty jug I guess. Congrats on another addition to the knowledge base, HB.
I also have an unopened gallon and while Clearex doesn't seem to have an additional benefit over tap water, it's also doesn't hurt to use it vs throwing it out :(. Maybe I can dig up my receipt somewhere and take this shiz back.
 

Snafu1236

Well-Known Member
You're doing some pretty good stuff here man. You're testing is well thought out and executed. Your journal is clear, concise and easy to follow. Thanks for taking the time to experiment with cannabis horticulture and the vast array of products that are out there. Your time is spent well here and deserve much appreciation from the community. +rep!
 

Heisenberg

Well-Known Member
You're doing some pretty good stuff here man. You're testing is well thought out and executed. Your journal is clear, concise and easy to follow. Thanks for taking the time to experiment with cannabis horticulture and the vast array of products that are out there. Your time is spent well here and deserve much appreciation from the community. +rep!
Agree, I also admire the way these experiments are designed, and value the results much more because of it. It's the difference between anecdotal hearsay and reliable information.
 

MediMary

Well-Known Member
Very much enjoy the clearex test, I am looking to test two products against each other, tryin to make it as reliable as a test as possible. thanks for the inspiration
 

Illumination

New Member
Agree, I also admire the way these experiments are designed, and value the results much more because of it. It's the difference between anecdotal hearsay and reliable information.

Yes ol'HB is awesome...I mean when he did the Dynagro vs. GH thread his intent was to show how GH is superior...Well during it he saw it wasn't so and praised the outcome even though it wasn't what he wanted....now that says it all

NAMASTE' friend
 

medicine21

Active Member
I find the tough part about using rockwool cubes is the watering schedule. For 4" rockwool cubes I find 1-2 floods a day is needed, but 1 seems not enough and 2 is too much! :-( With 1 flood, I suspect plants take more water than nutes and nutes build up in the cube (tested much higher ppm in cube than in res, 1800 vs 700 in res @.5conv), with 2 floods the cubes stay soaked and heavy most of the day. This is 25-35" SOG plants and the res does not fluctuate pH or ppm all week.

What is the right level of moisture for a rockwool cube? %50 of soaked weight? How light (dry) do you let your cubes get? Also, how high on the cube does your flood level reach?
 

mrduke

Well-Known Member
Mr. homeb waht are your thoughts on running GW or similar in a sunshine mix? the reason i ask is my local shop owner was recommending that I run trays full of SS#4 w/ no drains and adding benifical bacteria's to make the "soil" come to life, What i thought was really interesting is that he said i could reuse the soil for years as its a living fungus filled habitat. Now a shop owner not try to sell someone extra stuff really threw me. he runs like this and says he hasnt replaced soil in 2 years, just adds a bit back to replace what was lost when pulling the stalks out. I ask your openion cause i know you use SS mix and trust knowledge thanks for the help
 
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