Testing Timber's prototype=4000k/660nm and my finger on the flower trigger:)

Ok, first of all I always start in the containers that I finish in for faster growth(no transplant). Second I run KISS, one part fert in soil. Get rid of all those stupid steps, b-supplements,root stimulator,silica, flower boosters, whatever, don't need it imo and can cause issues from overdosing the same macro-micro nutrient.
Big thx for your help. At first what is KISS? (i only know the Artist) ;) And you mean really i dont should use roots stimulator, blooth excellarator, power enzymes, and final solution of my Advanced Hydroponics of any stage? I think there so good stuff in it like ash, minerals, Mg, Cal, Cu, Zinc, and so on. You mean when in the water has enough of this (250ppm), i dont should take this Minerals stuff.
My Tap-Water EC is 0,55ms or 0,27ppt and my PH is 7,2. I also forgot, i use PH down from Advanced Hydroponic to get it down always betw. 6.4 and 6.6 PH

Get yourself some all purpose synthetic fertilizer like 10-10-10,20-20-20,etc and light feed every other watering, that's it throughout. Organics can be trickier, but less chance of toxicity and can reuse your soil indefinitely with restructuring.
Ok i must check what fertilizer has this 10-10-10, you know some what i can buy ? I use Advanced Hydroponics and the flasks says. I forgot to ask 10-10-10 you mean 10% or 1%? Cause for example my first flask say 25-12-50 that means 2,5%-1,2%-5%

Grow Flask: 25-12-50 // 2,5%-1,2%-5% the first weeks i should use all 3 Flask (Veg Stage) but this flask i should stop it after 21-30 days
Bloom Flask: 00-50-35 // 0%-5%-3,5% after 21-30 days i onle use Bloom and Micro -until the last 1-2 weeks before i must flush it.
Micro Flask: 45-00-10 // 4,5%-0%-1%

You need CLEAN water, find out your TDS/ppms of your tap or filtered water.....if using RO/distilled, you will always need to add some cal/mag. If your water is hard 200-250ppms+, don't add any type of cal/mag====simple
OK. that means also no Epsom for me, the last time i had so big Mg def. Iam wonder, when you mean i dont need it, if my EC is high enough, cause of my Mg def i had last grow. Cause i had this bad def, i thought to myself, i use epsom everytime from now (when the plant is bigger) But ok i let it with the Epsom and use it only when i see again this def.

Your seedlings^^^ should be up-potted into larger containers , bury them all the way up to get rid of your supports. Next time use a circulation fan and 24/0 light schedule in the beginning to get rid of stretch/weak stems before flipping to flower.

Lastly, PRACTICE helps, eventually you will dial your grows in, just takes time

good luck grower
Yesterday i put it in a other pot and made also some pictures. I dont water it in the moment cause i want to try how long it would take to withdraw the moisture until the plant depends. Cause i think always maybe i use too much water (not tooooo much but too much).
And cause the Fan, i had a fan at the first grow.. but 15 Watt durable and a gardener says to me " i dont understand why people use this fan in a tent" he means that doesnt work, cause the fan dont make thicker stem (he says that makes mainly the soil) and brings only problems if its too cold and when you have a good pipe ventilator or a good circulation cause the pipe ventilator, also because i have a small tent, i dont really need it and since 2 grows i dont use it and had no problems. A friend has a 4x4 or 120x120 cm tent and has a Fan in it, but this plant beside the Fan has so much burnsymptoms (but the Fan place wasnt so good) But his Pipe Ventilator is so strong (the suction) the tent looks like it implode. And i say to him, let the Fan gone, try it, and he put it away, and since 1 grow also no problems.
In my opinion: I just save electricity with it and isnt really necessary if you have a small tent or a good suction
And the 24/0 light i try this the next time.

thx Psuagro

some pictures: One, you see the little pot with some little tiny roots, then i put it in a bigger pot, the last picture is my heating mat. At the moment i have 21-22° on the ground you see also the sensor from the heating mat at the last photo
 

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Big thx for your help. At first what is KISS? (i only know the Artist) ;) And you mean really i dont should use roots stimulator, blooth excellarator, power enzymes, and final solution of my Advanced Hydroponics of any stage? I think there so good stuff in it like ash, minerals, Mg, Cal, Cu, Zinc, and so on. You mean when in the water has enough of this (250ppm), i dont should take this Minerals stuff.
My Tap-Water EC is 0,55ms or 0,27ppt and my PH is 7,2. I also forgot, i use PH down from Advanced Hydroponic to get it down always betw. 6.4 and 6.6 PH



Ok i must check what fertilizer has this 10-10-10, you know some what i can buy ? I use Advanced Hydroponics and the flasks says. I forgot to ask 10-10-10 you mean 10% or 1%? Cause for example my first flask say 25-12-50 that means 2,5%-1,2%-5%

Grow Flask: 25-12-50 // 2,5%-1,2%-5% the first weeks i should use all 3 Flask (Veg Stage) but this flask i should stop it after 21-30 days
Bloom Flask: 00-50-35 // 0%-5%-3,5% after 21-30 days i onle use Bloom and Micro -until the last 1-2 weeks before i must flush it.
Micro Flask: 45-00-10 // 4,5%-0%-1%



OK. that means also no Epsom for me, the last time i had so big Mg def. Iam wonder, when you mean i dont need it, if my EC is high enough, cause of my Mg def i had last grow. Cause i had this bad def, i thought to myself, i use epsom everytime from now (when the plant is bigger) But ok i let it with the Epsom and use it only when i see again this def.



Yesterday i put it in a other pot and made also some pictures. I dont water it in the moment cause i want to try how long it would take to withdraw the moisture until the plant depends. Cause i think always maybe i use too much water (not tooooo much but too much).
And cause the Fan, i had a fan at the first grow.. but 15 Watt durable and a gardener says to me " i dont understand why people use this fan in a tent" he means that doesnt work, cause the fan dont make thicker stem (he says that makes mainly the soil) and brings only problems if its too cold and when you have a good pipe ventilator or a good circulation cause the pipe ventilator, also because i have a small tent, i dont really need it and since 2 grows i dont use it and had no problems. A friend has a 4x4 or 120x120 cm tent and has a Fan in it, but this plant beside the Fan has so much burnsymptoms (but the Fan place wasnt so good) But his Pipe Ventilator is so strong (the suction) the tent looks like it implode. And i say to him, let the Fan gone, try it, and he put it away, and since 1 grow also no problems.
In my opinion: I just save electricity with it and isnt really necessary if you have a small tent or a good suction
And the 24/0 light i try this the next time.

thx Psuagro

some pictures: One, you see the little pot with some little tiny roots, then i put it in a bigger pot, the last picture is my heating mat. At the moment i have 21-22° on the ground you see also the sensor from the heating mat at the last photo
Yes, no, yes, yes,no,yes,no, no,LOL...............IDK, just try to simplify your grow style/steps, my advice is a generalization and what works for me=== that's it, like I said it will eventually click for you, be patient

KISS=== Keep It Simple Stupid or not






It's Sunday so update time, I'm starving, lets make this quick

Round 1 Day 55 of 14/10 from seed under Timber's proto cxb 4000k/osram 660/730nm trigger(322w)== with my 3 NL/God bitches

001.JPG 002.JPG 003.JPG 004.JPG 005.JPG 006.JPG , hey I found a use for my loop stakes! kinda worked to weigh down some branches, still torching tops. I have some early PM, no shocker as it's allot of plant mass stuffed in this area combined with high RH. Immediately "Lollied" the girls to get more air movement in the closet . another neem/rosemary application on the lower area and praying.


007.JPG 008.JPG ..........I should try to raise this fixture, maybe I'll readjust the hanging brackets to gain an inch.................lol


be safe and happy growing RIU
 
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Yes, no, yes, yes,no,yes,no, no,LOL...............IDK, just try to simplify your grow style/steps, my advice is a generalization and what works for me=== that's it, like I said it will eventually click for you, be patient
KISS=== Keep It Simple Stupid or not
It's Sunday so update time, I'm starving, lets make this quick
Round 1 Day 55 of 14/10 from seed under Timber's proto cxb 4000k/osram 660/730nm trigger(322w)== with my 3 NL/God bitches
View attachment 3688372 View attachment 3688373 View attachment 3688374 View attachment 3688375 View attachment 3688376 View attachment 3688377 , hey I found a use for my loop stakes! kinda worked to weigh down some branches, still torching tops. I have some early PM, no shocker as it's allot of plant mass stuffed in this area combined with high RH. Immediately "Lollied" the girls to get more air movement in the closet . another neem/rosemary application on the lower area and praying.
View attachment 3688381 View attachment 3688382 ..........I should try to raise this fixture, maybe I'll readjust the hanging brackets to gain an inch.................lol
be safe and happy growing RIU
Your plants looking great. Do you cut the Top, of the plants? Or you never do this? So bushy plants.

A shortly report to mine. I think something is wrong. Here are the pictures, 4 days and 4 nights after repot, i think they grow very very slow.. Dont know why. You remember the plant is 22 days, from seedling, old now. Then i look yours after 20 days. :)
 

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Your plants looking great. Do you cut the Top, of the plants? Or you never do this? So bushy plants.

A shortly report to mine. I think something is wrong. Here are the pictures, 4 days and 4 nights after repot, i think they grow very very slow.. Dont know why. You remember the plant is 22 days, from seedling, old now. Then i look yours after 20 days. :)
I don't touch my plants unless they misbehave and/or my room conditions suck, no slowdown, I run my shit fast.............yeah yours look at little slow, but not bad really, the problem is that they are autos^^^ and will flower either way, no room for error. Live and learn grower.....


It's Sunday , so update time


Round 1 Day 62 of 14/10 from seed under Timber's proto cxb 3590 4000k/osram 660 & 730nm trigger(322w)=== with my 3 NL/God ladies
001.JPG 002.JPG 003.JPG 004.JPG Jesus, fucking ridiculous.............what an epic stretch. Busy season for me but still shouldn't be an excuse for this terrible canopy management. I lost a couple of tops for sure from the light stress/burn. Live and learn,lol

005.JPG 008.JPG 006.JPG 007.JPG So I had some time today. Pulled the main branches down using velcro-straps which attach to any fabric pot sides like mine(credit: endurox/GS). threw all the loop stakes on top of the canopy and weaved some tops under them like a half-assed Scrog. Looks way better to me, for now!:mrgreen:

be safe and happy growing RIU
 
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Randomblame

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Your plants looking great. Do you cut the Top, of the plants? Or you never do this? So bushy plants.

A shortly report to mine. I think something is wrong. Here are the pictures, 4 days and 4 nights after repot, i think they grow very very slow.. Dont know why. You remember the plant is 22 days, from seedling, old now. Then i look yours after 20 days. :)
Hi budi
There are a few rules for automatics!
- Do not transplant automatics next time.
- Put them always in your biggest grow bag because the bigger the volume the bigger and faster the growth.
- You can also easily increase to a 20/4h cycle!
- Automatics are always slower in the first two weeks but then growth explodes!
 

salmonetin

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...on autos...i saw a curious vid.... some people said dont touch the autos on vegetative... this guy dont care about that....

...curious technique aplied on autos.... on hidroponics ...off course...


peace

pd...talking about light cicles... he uses 20/4 on vegetative and 12/12 on floration...on autos... ....from my pov neutral plants floration are determined by hormones... but heyyy im inexpert on grow....;):fire:

Saludos
 
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PSUAGRO.

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Damn, P. It's like a jungle in there. Can't wait to see how things turn out. Best run in a while?
Most wattage this closet has ever seen............soooooooooooooo you know;-)


What a rainy season we've had, fungicides galore at work.............none of that shit on my girls though,haha

it's sunday so update time

Round 1, Day 69 of 14/10 from seed under timbers proto cxb 3590 4000k & osram 660/730nm flower trigger (322w)===== with my 3 NL/God ladies

001.JPG 002.JPG 003.JPG 004.JPG 005.JPG 008.JPG ...........look ok, should have dropped the light schedule, but i'm stubborn and will see it through. They are running out of time, will see how it ends..............baked goods is my guess,lol. Round 1 seems to be a pattern:mrgreen:

006.JPG 007.JPG ........more defoliation as my rh hovers around 60%, not spraying anything this late into flower. Dumped the rest of the DTE vegan fert mix in the pot and outside containers, ready to move on.....


be safe and happy growing RIU
 
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PSUAGRO.

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Shit son...it's a jungle.

You need to veg a little...get a flat canopy going. Then blow that shit up like this. Your last few runs keep running out of room.
My canopies are pretty even going into flower (30-40 days of 12/12-14/10), It's the thirty gallon pot causing the headaches. If I don't crowd the container like originally intended with Regs(sog), then their is too much root space with a few Fems; hence the jungle.............lots of wattage doesn't help the cause either:). I don't do this for a living so it's not my first priority.


I Wonder If It Smell's Like 7 Layer's Of Taco Bell :P Brother P Drop A Kessil Or 2 In Das Closet :hump:

No Kessils Dawg.......................wouldn't do much anyways


It's Sunday so update time

Round 1 day 76 of 14/10 from seed under Timber's proto fixture cxb 3590 4000k/ osram 660 & 730nm trigger(322w)==== with my 3 NL/GOD ladies.

001.JPG 002.JPG 003.JPG 004.JPG 007.JPG .............Slow flower, not making it in time unfortunately. Will continue the 14/10 schedule till the end. I threw some of my tools on the top canopy to weigh it down some more,lol..............I'm out of ideas

006.JPG 005.JPG ........so far I've kept the PM in check and haven't seen any more issues.......... AC helps


be safe and happy growing RIU
 

Airwalker16

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So why the 14/10 from seed with these fems? I always veg 18/6 and flip to 12/12 when I'm ready and also use far red for 10-15 mins after lights out.
 

Airwalker16

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I just don't get why you'd wanna deprive your plants of that full extra 2 hrs of rest time. You see, it's when it's dark that the magic happens.
 

PSUAGRO.

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So why the 14/10 from seed with these fems? I always veg 18/6 and flip to 12/12 when I'm ready and also use far red for 10-15 mins after lights out.
basically 12/12 from seed but getting an extra 2 hrs of light per day

God it looks like you're getting SUCH better penetration than I am with your cxb3590's..
penetration is a fuzzy term in here..............and perverted:mrgreen:

Well Correct Me If I'm Wrong But it Looks Like You Only Have About 4 Ft Of Head Space??:idea:
haven't measured , probably closer to five,lol

I just don't get why you'd wanna deprive your plants of that full extra 2 hrs of rest time. You see, it's when it's dark that the magic happens.
Is it???....................Alaska doesn't have most of the crop weight records due to DARK summer months

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/08/20/341884706/why-vegetables-get-freakish-in-the-land-of-the-midnight-sun


it's another sunday and I'm still kicking.........sooooooooooo update time



Round 1 Day 83 of 14/10 from seed under Timber's proto cxb 4000k/ 0sram 660 & 730nm flower trigger(322w)====with my three NL/God ladies.

DSC06393.JPG DSC06394.JPG DSC06395.JPG DSC06396.JPG DSC06398.JPG .....meh, seen better. Almost out of time(10days left), either I let them sit in the dark for 2 weeks when I leave or I chop and hang on my way out for vaca? haven't decided yet.

DSC06397.JPG I found my hammer! lol..............amateur canopy management

DSC06400.JPG DSC06399.JPG DSC06401.JPG ..........I'm ready to get the fuck out of here and sit on the beach. Hot on the east coast.

Call/see your father and tell him you love him, lol.............mine would probably tell me I'm a finocchio!, got him a nice bottle of red wine though........shocker

be safe and happy growing RIU
 
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