Texas officer killed drug raid

How long were you on the force?

DutchKillsRambo said:

I have to wonder why the first cop in was so fat as to make such an easy target? SWAT is usually a political position in many jurisdictions I know, but how could that tub be leading?

But it's Texas, so homeowner is looking at life in jail and a few months of guard beatings for being a "cop-killer". Ahhh America, land of the free.

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no doubt.Just fist fighting with cops will haunt you inside prison

slowbus said:

no doubt.Just fist fighting with cops will haunt you inside prison

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Friend of mine's uncle was a police officer. Regular traffic stop, guy pulled out a handgun and shot his uncle in the face point-blank. His uncle survived luckily, though severely disabled. When the guy got into prison, the guards stood him at the bottom of a flight of stairs and then proceeded to throw free weights from the gym at him from the top. Fucked up all around.

DutchKillsRambo said:

Friend of mine's uncle was a police officer. Regular traffic stop, guy pulled out a handgun and shot his uncle in the face point-blank. His uncle survived luckily, though severely disabled. When the guy got into prison, the guards stood him at the bottom of a flight of stairs and then proceeded to throw free weights from the gym at him from the top. Fucked up all around.

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Traffic stop? Just desserts. You fuck with ANY member of a crew, and you'll get yours down the road. LoL. I worry about shit like that with the boss lady's brother, or her best friend's husband. Both are patrol sheriffs that work in high risk positions, and both are pretty good guys. They both even forgave me for lying about who I was, back when I was a fugitive.

hempyninja309 said:

Remember that just because guns are illegal doesn't mean that criminals don't have them or are unable to get them.

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I agree with you. That said, gun crime in the UK is fairly low. Most violent crime here involves knives.

Aww.... That makes me sooooo sad It's one thing if a hardworking single mother catches a stray cop bullet, sacrifices need to be made (by citizens of course). Hearing stories about HERO'S like that officer.. 100,000 civilian deaths don't even COMPARE to one single LEO death. I'm sure he has 3 babies on the way as well, as that is also part of the standard hero worship statement. That perfect specimen of physical fitness surely joined the force to keep kilo's of heroin off kindergarten playgrounds. Also, probably just to trying to keep rocket launchers and cruise missiles off our streets as well. Everyone knows when you hear your front door getting kicked in, in the middle of the night, immediately get on the ground with your arms and legs spread just in case it's a cop. Don't worry, after a few generations of children being violated inside their homes, becoming hysterical after seeing their loving parents hauled away will be "re-educated". They will learn to NEVER speak up or question any authority, even as TSA agents fondle 6 year old girls on her way to disney world, tears in her eyes. Then we have the very serious threat posed by young terrorist imposters in wheelchairs. That little sonofabitch thought he could smuggle trace amounts of a questionable substance on the bottom of his tires!! I mean it's not like he could have accidentally rolled through any chemicals on the street, that he was unable to step over like walking people. The TSA did what needed to be done and yanked that little bastard out until they could get to the bottom of the situation. You're welcome America, you can sleep safe tonight... oh wait...

SunnyJim said:

I agree with you. That said, gun crime in the UK is fairly low. Most violent crime here involves knives.

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I heard recently that the gun murders for England, Australia, and some other country (CRS) for last year totaled 97 and here in the states murders involving guns were over 10K. We're #1!

Pretty stupid raiding homes for weed. If they keep it up more people will get shot. The federal grants that give money to local LE's for drug enforcement is the real root cause for this shit. I was busted in 67 by 3 plain clothes cops and a couple of regulars. They busted down our door but identified themselves first. No SWAT or machine guns, just .38 specials and a few guys doing their jobs. Too bad it's gone to hell so bad.

Moldy said:

I heard recently that the gun murders for England, Australia, and some other country (CRS) for last year totaled 97 and here in the states murders involving guns were over 10K. We're #1!

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Ha. The US can't be accused of doing a half-assed job of owning gun murders, that's for sure. South Africa gives you a good run for your money, probably.

smileb0b said:

No Knock warrants in a place like Texas just seems like trouble.

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"No Knock Warrants" for suspected cultivation are unnecessary.
A ounce of powder can be disposed of and surprise helps the cops BUT marijuana plants, gallons of growing medium, 600w ballasts and bulbs.....
They are going NOWHERE.
All a KNOCK would change was the possibility of shit like the above death.

Rak on Tur' said:

It was his desicion to kick the door in, it was also his desicion to not identify himself. Over what? Some pot plants.

The choice to use force to enter is used when there is real danger to a innocent person. I can gather zero justification for forceable entry from what is stated in that article.

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Hey Rak, glad you're still here!! Gather all you want, there is absolutely no justification for no knock under any but the most exigent circumstances. I know that the constitution get in law enforcement's way, and severely hinders an investigation, but the civil liberties it ensure us supersede any law enforcement need. Always has. The bill of rights is what defines us as US citizens and supposedly separates us from the civil rights abusing nations we condemn. We still have the "shell" of the constitution, so the gov't can still claim we're better when we're generally far worse at civil rights abuse.

They really need to change that no knock law , i met a local guy here who had the cops bust down his door, he showed them the paperwork for his grow and they apologized and asked him to send them the bill for the door.
The problem is, law enforcement or not they are begging to be shot busting in some ones house, poor policy.

Then there was the issue with the fudged warrant,evidently they just hand those things out.

Jack Harer said:

Hey Rak, glad you're still here!! Gather all you want, there is absolutely no justification for no knock under any but the most exigent circumstances. I know that the constitution get in law enforcement's way, and severely hinders an investigation, but the civil liberties it ensure us supersede any law enforcement need. Always has. The bill of rights is what defines us as US citizens and supposedly separates us from the civil rights abusing nations we condemn. We still have the "shell" of the constitution, so the gov't can still claim we're better when we're generally far worse at civil rights abuse.

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The constitution gives the base guidelines for which laws are enforced, along with state laws. I never found it to be in the way, granted today's law enforcement is much more intrusive since privacy laws on the federal level are pretty much non existent. That blame lands 100% on the American people, who are to lazy, to apathetic, or to busy watching some total joke of a reality tv show to pay attention to what our elected officials are doing. The lip service of "if it saves just one life", for justification for spying on people who are doing nothing wrong and collecting data is sickening. No one questions it. We have TSA, NSA, homeland security, ect. All are supposedly fighting "terrorist", but yet need huge data storage facilities and a ungodly amount of ammo. For what? I have yet to hear any reason for it, let alone a legitimate one, and I'm far from a conspericy theorist nut.

Our drug laws have never worked. I was a trooper when AK made pot decriminalized for 24 plants and under. It made my job easy, I no longer had to waste my time on some petty pot grow. Our only mistake was having plant limits, there shouldn't be any. It pissed me off when our state made it criminalized again under pressure from the DEA and their garbage propaganda. The weed and coke crowd never gave me any problems, the vast majority are just regular people.

There is zero justification for a no knock entry for a pot grow, if the individual is a felon or not. In over 40 years I did three no knock entries. Now they seem common place, just like trials with anonymous jurors. It's sickening what the American people have let our nation become.

Rak on Tur' said:

The constitution gives the base guidelines for which laws are enforced, along with state laws. I never found it to be in the way, granted today's law enforcement is much more intrusive since privacy laws on the federal level are pretty much non existent. That blame lands 100% on the American people, who are to lazy, to apathetic, or to busy watching some total joke of a reality tv show to pay attention to what our elected officials are doing. The lip service of "if it saves just one life", for justification for spying on people who are doing nothing wrong and collecting data is sickening. No one questions it. We have TSA, NSA, homeland security, ect. All are supposedly fighting "terrorist", but yet need huge data storage facilities and a ungodly amount of ammo. For what? I have yet to hear any reason for it, let alone a legitimate one, and I'm far from a conspericy theorist nut.

Our drug laws have never worked. I was a trooper when AK made pot decriminalized for 24 plants and under. It made my job easy, I no longer had to waste my time on some petty pot grow. Our only mistake was having plant limits, there shouldn't be any. It pissed me off when our state made it criminalized again under pressure from the DEA and their garbage propaganda. The weed and coke crowd never gave me any problems, the vast majority are just regular people.

There is zero justification for a no knock entry for a pot grow, if the individual is a felon or not. In over 40 years I did three no knock entries. Now they seem common place, just like trials with anonymous jurors. It's sickening what the American people have let our nation become.

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That's why I like ya Rak! You're one in a million! That's spot on about the sheeple. Remember Pogo? We have met the enemy, and he is us!!!

The "No Knock" is about as ignorant a move as can be made against a supposed or known perpetrator. It provides an "out" for whomever it is used against if the shit does not work, as in this case.

I know if someone tried that with the bulk of my family members, myself included, the results would be the same, dead dumb asses. Warrant papers or an electroplated tin badge will not stop all the 12 gauge ammo I will be sending your way as fast as I possibly can if you are stupid enough to try and enter my house unannounced.

Peace

Asmallvoice

Problem is...you shoot and kill one of them, you'll be lucky to make it to court, and if you do you will be charged with murder. If THEY kill you by mistake, it's Oh shit, sorry 'bout that! And no repercussions to speak of.