No, none of them are stable, none. Doesnt mean you wont get some really nice phenos though.
TGA Strains Stable?
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Clankie
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Well, for what its worth, I now have a small amount of experience with TGA's beans, and it turned out more or less the way I thought it would. I grew the two dairy queen freebies and two chernobyl freebies from the attitude out, got two female dairy queens, one very, very short and most likely yielding around 30g, and one of average hybrid size that will be more in the 90-110g range. Both have exceptional trichome production, but were terrible cloners. No herm problems. I also ended up with a male and female chernobyl, the female being of exceptional quality. Incredible levels of frost, and a very pleasing scent, in addition to very unique foxtaily buds. This one did clone well, and will be definitely kept for future runs. Again, no herm issues.
This is super limited experience, but based on it, I would consider running a lot of TGA's strains. I think that while you are likely to see extreme phenotype variation with most of their strains, they use many solid genetics, although it does seem like perhaps they have one or two strains with a higher-than-usual herm rate. I think you are much more likely to see herms from companies that reverse clone only strains, and perhaps breed them with strains that are themselves the progeny of reversed clone only strains. That seems like asking for trouble.
That said, TGA could definitely use a better and more public testing system. Perhaps if they had that in place, there would be less issues with the herm-prone strains; although berry strains in general seem to have slightly higher herm rates.
This is super limited experience, but based on it, I would consider running a lot of TGA's strains. I think that while you are likely to see extreme phenotype variation with most of their strains, they use many solid genetics, although it does seem like perhaps they have one or two strains with a higher-than-usual herm rate. I think you are much more likely to see herms from companies that reverse clone only strains, and perhaps breed them with strains that are themselves the progeny of reversed clone only strains. That seems like asking for trouble.
That said, TGA could definitely use a better and more public testing system. Perhaps if they had that in place, there would be less issues with the herm-prone strains; although berry strains in general seem to have slightly higher herm rates.
Omgwtfbbq Indicaman
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his romulan dominant "The Flav" is pretty uniform, so is "The Void", very little variation in these crosses from my experience.
LakeShoreGirl
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I'm reviving the never ending thread. Just finished up with a Dairy Queen, Mandala #1, and Elephant Stomper run. Secret Jardin DR150 tent. Quantum 16 tube Badboy T5 fixture. Ocean Forest soil with Nectar For The Gods Nutrients. 20 clones in 1gallon bags backfilled in a Botanicare 4x4 tray. Day 40 nanners popping up all over the Dairy Queen. In 15 years I have never seen anything like it.....I have Jack the rippper...Agent Orange...Vortex..,and Chernobyl beans, but I'm very wary in popping them indoors. Not too happy with my first time with TGA genetics.
Clankie
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My dairy queen girls didn't herm, but weren't awesome. How did the Mandala #1 come out?
razzmatazz82
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Querkle was pretty stable. And Plush Berry had minor herm issues but nothing too bad. Agent Orange was terrible for me.
truepunk87
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I've only popped 4 TGA seeds, 2 Chernobyl and 2 ace of spades. Got a female from each
Chernobyl
AOS 
No herm on these 2, but I won't be spending any more money on TGA gear when there's equal or better quality available for much less
Chernobyl
AOS No herm on these 2, but I won't be spending any more money on TGA gear when there's equal or better quality available for much less
dirtysouthgenetics
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Popped 2 AOS and 2 FLAVs and all are female..1 AOS @ 3wks....These are my first TGA seeds...very impressed ....gonnna run more TGA strains in tha future...
Grojak
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TGA are not stable, sub "prefers to let the customer find his favorite pheno" his words not mine. He's sold people on the idea that it's a good ting, but it fucking blows!!! If 10 Super Silver Haze clones from 10 people who popped MR Nice seeds you're going to see many many similarities. I've had 2 different Dairy Queens that were unlike any of the 3 phenos I grew, my keeper being very heavy Lemonade but very low yielding (thinking C99 dom) Those were 3 good females but the Deep Purple I ran was shit and the 1 that was decent hermed, JTR pollinated a room.
I donated 2 packs of TGA recently to a grower, Chernobyl and Snowdawg, wasn't worth the hassle of hoping they don't herm imo
I donated 2 packs of TGA recently to a grower, Chernobyl and Snowdawg, wasn't worth the hassle of hoping they don't herm imo
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kermit2692
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i know you have been around here a while and i think ive seen some things that made me assume your an ok grower but i have to hesitantly agree, you have another problem its not the breeder causing your hermies guy....not to mention you find variants in every pack sold by every company...ya he may say to clone out your favorite pheno but thats just because why wouldnt you not because he is the only company with multiple phenos. dude its genetics you can back cross a plant til you turn blue and you will still get variation. on his agent orange i saw 3 different plants all bud and grow very similar to each other, with very similar smells. its all a crap shoot no matter what company it is.
kermit2692
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also seriously xeno!?! "left the spider mites on to try and force a male" ahhhhh hahahahahahahahahaha
homebrewer
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It really isn't a crap-shoot when a breeder actually works a 'strain' instead of just crossing other's crosses. Sure, there will always be variation from seed but the degree of variation is what real breeders try to minimize. Pollen-chucked f1s have their place, so do original, worked, stable strains. It just depends on the goals of the consumer.
Grojak
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Pipe Dream
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I know this is an old topic, but look at the strains used to create JTR. http://en.seedfinder.eu/strain-info/Jack_the_Ripper/TGA_Subcool_Seeds/
^How could you possibly expect anything stable when it is made up of so many different ancestors? Personally, I haven't grown any TGA seeds to mention, but stable probably not.
^How could you possibly expect anything stable when it is made up of so many different ancestors? Personally, I haven't grown any TGA seeds to mention, but stable probably not.
Like i said for breading purposes only but i know its hard to read. If im going to add some ones genetics to my room and to my own personal seedbank i want to make sure they can handle anything and wont herm. The topic is if subcool genetics are stable and seeing how i spent over a 100$ on his shit i want to know what im working with. I live in a state where if all you are smokeing is spidermites your lucky, im not a little picky bitch a couple of years ago i was smoking some resin from some mids now iv got all the strains i could ever want thanks to people like subcool and all the other breaders and suppliers so i will show my appreciation for his genetics. And the fact that i didnt get one bannana on any bud no ball sacks nothing thats good enough for me iv had mutiple problems with herms from DNA but most of the time thats because of over fert or too heavy on the bat guano. But i dont talk shit on them becuase of my mistakes and iv been running DNA for over 2 years now still got chocolope,sourcream running in rotation. Some more Qrazy train and chernobyl
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I grew cheese quake for almost 9 months, it produced real nice for me n flowered in 53 days for me. I rly liked ace of spades n vortex, although my space queen Dom pheno threw nanners round wk 6. I've had some Chernobyl n DQ beans for bout a yr soi cracked em recently. I'm not impressed w.the DQ in any way, although the Chernobyl I have, 2 phenos, r very frosty n my short one is the lemon lime girl. I also have 2 phenos of tres sister from top dawg at same age, one is chem d Dom n the other is Chem sister Dom, n they're just as frosty as the Chernobyl and the buds r twice as big.
Now I know TGA dsnt select for weight, but the trich production is equal or a little higher on the chem genetics. Dnt get me wrong I'm impressed w.my lemon lime girl for sure, but the other Chernobyl has that earthy smell which isn't my cup of tea.
I used to rly like TGA, I thought there strains sounded nice n I had good results. I liked my a13 vortex better anyway so I wldnt of kept that pheno anyway. My issue w.tga now n y I won't buy his genes anymore is subs attitude w.his customers. If u look back at his threads n posts from 08-09 he was very humble n appreciative of thanks n praises he was given, and generally had a good attitude. But 2010 n on he became rude n his responses to me felt like he thought he was better than the nxt guy. I saw the thread where he said BCS was a kush bc he sd it was. I thought that was a little arrogant from some1 askin a ? bc ppl wna know bout a new strain of urs b4 they buy it. I've seen him attack ppl for sayin they got a hermie from his beans. I guess I feel like I wld be more appreciative of my customers as I became more successful, n he does the opposite.
I'm the kinda person who loves the subtle differences in dif strains, which is why I always find myself ordering new strains. I still have a few vortex n Chernobyl left which ill prolly run 1 day but I won't be ordering anymore beans from TGA, n like I said my grows from TGA have gone well overall but I dnt wna support some1 who I feel like thinks his shit dnt stink n he cando no wrong, n who has not only himself but a group of loyal growers that he keeps close that r rdy to lay into ppl for voicing there issues w.tga gear. I think if he acted how he did a few yrs ago I'd support all day, but ppl change n unfortunately he did for the worse imvho
Now I know TGA dsnt select for weight, but the trich production is equal or a little higher on the chem genetics. Dnt get me wrong I'm impressed w.my lemon lime girl for sure, but the other Chernobyl has that earthy smell which isn't my cup of tea.
I used to rly like TGA, I thought there strains sounded nice n I had good results. I liked my a13 vortex better anyway so I wldnt of kept that pheno anyway. My issue w.tga now n y I won't buy his genes anymore is subs attitude w.his customers. If u look back at his threads n posts from 08-09 he was very humble n appreciative of thanks n praises he was given, and generally had a good attitude. But 2010 n on he became rude n his responses to me felt like he thought he was better than the nxt guy. I saw the thread where he said BCS was a kush bc he sd it was. I thought that was a little arrogant from some1 askin a ? bc ppl wna know bout a new strain of urs b4 they buy it. I've seen him attack ppl for sayin they got a hermie from his beans. I guess I feel like I wld be more appreciative of my customers as I became more successful, n he does the opposite.
I'm the kinda person who loves the subtle differences in dif strains, which is why I always find myself ordering new strains. I still have a few vortex n Chernobyl left which ill prolly run 1 day but I won't be ordering anymore beans from TGA, n like I said my grows from TGA have gone well overall but I dnt wna support some1 who I feel like thinks his shit dnt stink n he cando no wrong, n who has not only himself but a group of loyal growers that he keeps close that r rdy to lay into ppl for voicing there issues w.tga gear. I think if he acted how he did a few yrs ago I'd support all day, but ppl change n unfortunately he did for the worse imvho
A perfect example wld be I made a thread in subs section to ask if any1 cld help me identify which Chernobyl pheno was leaving to which parent, one tall w.minimal branching n the other short n bushy. I said I know the strain wasn't stable so they cldnt tell me exacts like bloom time, yield etc. so besides oriah(I believe that was correct name, I apologize if wrong), I had a cpl regulars tell me that 1, TGA strains were stable bc being stable means they wldnt herm, n then they just dismissed my ? N 3 dif ppl made remarks bout my post sayin they cldnt read it, n obv had to be derogatory in there remarks even when I apologized n explained I meant it wasn't stable in phenotypes. I also explained I use my iPhone to post so didn't see how my post looked like one big f'd up paragraph, I was at wrk. Of course I got no help besides from 1-2 ppl, but they weren't "weed nerds". They all left, it's like u gta be on subs crew to get help over there, bc I was respectful n polite yet they still blew me off bc I said Chernobyl wasn't stable.
Grojak
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He used to be a WA grower, was all the rave, than he was in Oregon all the rave I hear he is working Cali now, not long til Cali growers realize what WA peeps did a few years ago and he'll have to move out to Michigan or something as local growers realize how horrible TGA is as a whole and stop supporting it. It's funny if you look at sites that list dispensaries you can see that seeds for 5pack are like $55 tops, a year ago they were $70 lol most places in WA have them for 50 or 55
Trulife69
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You would be blown away how many people are on the tga bandwagon in the northwest. That's mostly what everyone grows and mainly what shops carry for seeds. Theres n doubt you can find & grow some decent weed. Its more about them being stable. You can find a good pheno and grow some good weed but its a pain. So many variations and unstable bitches but if you want to pop a ton of beans and pluck a lot of bananas and spend some time searching for that 1 pheno then go for it..Not for me. Soon as I dropped tga from the grow room I couldn't be happier