TGA Strains Stable?

madcityblazer said:

Sub has the best genetics. I haven't had any problems with his genetics in the last five years. I know a lot of other people who would say the same. I would attribute most of this to "operator error". I would try to look at other factors in your setups because these genetics are the definition of excellence and stability.

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doc111 said:

I typically don't weigh in on "breeder" hate or praise threads. It's so subjective that it's almost pointless to even talk about. That said, I have mixed feelings. I've only ever bought one pack of TGA gear; Vortex. I popped 2 seeds, got 1 male, 1 female. I tossed the male and grew out the female. It was some excellent bud. It yielded like crap but the bud was dank and definitely top shelf! My very limited experience with TGA genetics has been mostly positive. However, a while back I was reading one of his threads where he talks about using sucanat. Being a good scientist, I was intrigued and wanted to learn more. He mentioned that you had to use it with citric acid in order for it to "work" properly. I simply asked him how he uses it (what ratio of citric acid to sucanat, where to find citric acid, etc.). He then proceeded to jump all over my shit and basically made me feel like a fucking retard! My question was in NO WAY sarcastic or dickish. I simply wanted to know more. He deleted all of my posts, even the ones where I apologize to him for offending him (if I even did so)! I was blown away and pretty much swore I would never give someone like that even ONE SINGLE PENNY more of my hard earned money!

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The Mantis said:

I would prob be the same if that happened to me. he def seems to get pretty emotional at times. and as a paying customer, who needs that?

i have already been sucked in (to all the marketing from all breeders) and have a nice sized stash of genetics. vortex right now is one of my keepers and will be unltil i find something to replace it. 2 phenos - one big yielding and the other more fire but less yield. sorry to the breeders out there, but i have no brand loyalty and will only grow what i deam is best.

but, difference between sub 99.9% of the other people on here (including me), is that he's putting himself out there and not hiding behind a computer monitor. that's balls and i respect him and everyone else in the weed game that risks their lives and freedom to distribute genetics (good or bad, breeder or pollen chucker, charity worker or overpriced).

my hats off to all you people

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doc111 said:

I typically don't weigh in on "breeder" hate or praise threads. It's so subjective that it's almost pointless to even talk about. That said, I have mixed feelings. I've only ever bought one pack of TGA gear; Vortex. I popped 2 seeds, got 1 male, 1 female. I tossed the male and grew out the female. It was some excellent bud. It yielded like crap but the bud was dank and definitely top shelf! My very limited experience with TGA genetics has been mostly positive. However, a while back I was reading one of his threads where he talks about using sucanat. Being a good scientist, I was intrigued and wanted to learn more. He mentioned that you had to use it with citric acid in order for it to "work" properly. I simply asked him how he uses it (what ratio of citric acid to sucanat, where to find citric acid, etc.). He then proceeded to jump all over my shit and basically made me feel like a fucking retard! My question was in NO WAY sarcastic or dickish. I simply wanted to know more. He deleted all of my posts, even the ones where I apologize to him for offending him (if I even did so)! I was blown away and pretty much swore I would never give someone like that even ONE SINGLE PENNY more of my hard earned money!

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stak said:

And how is this relevant to the thread subject? What exactly does any of this have to do with the stablility of TGA gear?

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Medshed said:

I'm sure the OP had good intentions when starting this thread but unfortunately it has been rendered useless by the inevitable TGA fanboi/hater pissing match. If the OP is still watching, my suggestion for him is to comb through some actual TGA grow journals and get real, unfiltered info:
https://www.rollitup.org/search.php?searchid=21331304

FWIW I've grown (and documented) Querkle, Pandora's Box, Dairy Queen, Jack The Ripper, and am currently growing Qush. Pandora's Box will always remain in my garden. I only flowered one of them (thanks to our 3 plant limits) but have followed a few other grows that showed similar results to mine. Querkle showed 2 phenos from 2 plants and both were tasty, but I've since found better plants in the indica dominant/euphoric category. Dairy Queen showed 2 phenos from 2 plants and both were tasty too but I grew a tolerance quickly to her and won't grow her again, even though Ilove the high profile. JTR was OK based on the 1 pheno/plant I grew but I'd rather wait the extra 3 weeks for the Kali Mist high profile, which will also always be in my garden. Querkle and Dairy Queen both threw a couple of nanners VERY late in flower but did not grow balls or release pollen so I don't count that against them, nor would I dis any plant that did the same. JTR was fully seeded but that was my fault due to an experiment gone bad with Colloidal silver.

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CharlieBud said:

If you are referring to me? Umm, no. Or do you see that all my posts are against TGA? NO

Stop being a jock ridding fan boi and STFU with those allegations. Seriously, do stick your head in the dead rez for an hour or so. Maybe you will come back making sense.

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hellraizer30 said:

Lol relaxe bro you a jar have the same join date! Wasnt talking about you.

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Nightmarecreature said:

I have only grown Vortex out of the TGA lineup and it's dank! There are a lot of variables. I have seen strains with exactly the same pheno smoke like shit. Example Barney's Farm LSD one was potent and full of trichs, the other looked like home grown hay and did not get you high. I'm not a BF fan at all but if I had only tried the latter of the two I would be warning people. I think this applies to all vendors. How it's grown, how it's cured and what pheno you pick makes a huge difference.

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doc111 said:

Ok, I've been getting nasty vm's from a certain member because of my initial post in this thread. Evidently, just letting people know about my experience makes me a "worthless troll".

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raiderman said:

i thot trolls jus ran the bridges,lol.

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doc111 said:

...........and evidently saying something that someone disagrees with qualifies a person for "worthless troll" status. lol!

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Jar Man said:

I could go on and on and on and on with these very same sources that prove just who's full of it here:

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 05:07 PM
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Here are a few VORTEX grown in roots and fed Botanicare nutes. Apparently while these were in veg and I was living in a cave somewhere, it won the medical cannabis cup? Now, after harvest, I know why. Some of the best extreme nausea meds I've had in addition to several other pluses.


It all started with a good ol' 10 pack of TGA Vortex I had laying around for about a 6 months, heck- maybe more?.. You see I had picked it up initially thinking it would be mediocre; and all the 'hype' (Which I now think of as gospel) that Sub had been spreading around the forums documenting his elite breeding experiments was all a ploy to make seed money (much like some other breeders strain videos). After growing other breeders gear (4 new strains for 20 grows) and only finding a couple keepers, while reading and falling in love with "the book of DANK," I gotta wild idea to sprout my TGA gear I'd purchased some time earlier.

Thinking nothing of it I didnt even label the strains going in, just threw the beans with 5 other breeders gear into some towels and onto the heating pad they went (yes sub I cooked your gear and it sprouted, but I use a thermostat controller).... From percentages only I had 8 of the 10 Vortex beans pop along with a troop of LA confidential, lemon skunk, and less than impressive others.... Vegetative growth was uneventful for all as they gathered the strength and underground infrastructure for explosive flower development. Vegging everything to a height of 24" and growing in a loose SOG I unflinchingly threw all of my the potential girls and studs into 12/12 and waited like a kid for x-mas. I was in need of meds for myself and my patient and couldn't wait any longer for them to indicate sex and get this flower power show on the road.

The 8 vortex went on to produce 2 males and 6 females and when the males indicated their plans they were seperated and deprived from any real tlc (very low light, no transplant, no nutes, no ph'ing the water).. After much thought I made the chop and only kept one male long enough for some selective seed making on one branch per plant. The females had already began developing quickly as they had the power of HPS and nutrients on their side to rush them ahead of the males development."

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Jogro said:

If the TGA parent plants were inbred lines ("true breeding"/"homozygotes"), then the F1 offspring would all be uniform, or nearly so, and there would be no issues with phenotype variation.

But we know this isn't true.

TGA/Subcool's strains typically all start with hybrid parents, thus explaining why many/most of his line will show a wide variety of phenotypes. We also know this, because he says this.

"Good"/"Bad" is sort of subjective and it depends what you're after.

If you don't mind growing lots of plants and doing a bit of selection to find a few exceptional ones, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with unstabilized polyhybrid plants.

But if your ability to grow large numbers of plants is limited (by budget, space, legal constraints, or other factors) then this sort of polyhybrid lineage may not be for you.

Ultimately, the question isn't how many individual lines the seeds can be traced back to. . .that's sort of irrelevant. Even most of the stable inbred lines "could" be traced back to many different strains if you went back far enough.

The question is, in any given pack of seeds how many different phenotypes are you going to see, what variation you can expect between them, and how frequent/rare the "good" ones are.

That's what separates the true breeders from the "hacks"/"pollen chuckers".

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