stonedmetalhead1
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One sample might have been 15.5% but there are plenty that hit over 20% no 2 seeds produce the same plant.
Example: http://fullspectrumlabs.com/test/1100004/
TGA SUBCOOL realeasing prob the greatest strain in the world on attitude! PLUSHBERRY
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Example: http://fullspectrumlabs.com/test/1100004/
MixedMelodyMindBender
Active Member
Exactly! Very well said. I am in no means saying subcool seeds is my favorite breeder....however I respect his work, and I admire his photography. Personally, I am my own favorite breeder...but I have meet many breeders that have meet my likes. I have grown a lot and I have what makes my day better, and that is all that really matters at the end of the day.
Mr. Nice strains are always fun and shanti is a very stand up world class dude. Much respect and love for him.
Now greenhouse...Ive never had one good exp. they refused to replace 300 seeds of king kush that had severe hermie genes. Every last one was a hermie, and that was a costly blow. Customer service was negative, and I never gained any respect for them.
To each there own.
**Off subject --depending on the pheno you get of vortex it could be a 15%.....I have 3 moms of vortex. I only have test for my favorite and it was 21.17 THC. Just saying....as a strain..no vortex's thc percentage is not 15% and as a whole I am sure that strain averages above 20% but there is a couple different phenos in that strain...and its one of my favorite medicines...extremely potent...more so the JTR's i grew and also enjoyed greatly!
Cheers--Stay Green
Mr. Nice strains are always fun and shanti is a very stand up world class dude. Much respect and love for him.
Now greenhouse...Ive never had one good exp. they refused to replace 300 seeds of king kush that had severe hermie genes. Every last one was a hermie, and that was a costly blow. Customer service was negative, and I never gained any respect for them.
To each there own.
**Off subject --depending on the pheno you get of vortex it could be a 15%.....I have 3 moms of vortex. I only have test for my favorite and it was 21.17 THC. Just saying....as a strain..no vortex's thc percentage is not 15% and as a whole I am sure that strain averages above 20% but there is a couple different phenos in that strain...and its one of my favorite medicines...extremely potent...more so the JTR's i grew and also enjoyed greatly!
Cheers--Stay Green
what makes a good breeder is down to personal preference on the types of strains you like
you say you like greenhouse that is fine, i have never grown anything from greenhouse seeds so i cant comment personally .. although i know others would find that laughable so its all down to what you prefer
i am growing angel heart at the moment from mr nice .. breed by shanti this is a cross of mango haze x afghan skunk
these plants are far from stable and show good phenotype diversity .. some people have encountered hemi plants with angel heart
although i don't see anyone crying about it on the mr nice forum
i guess when you grow exotic sativa dominated strains that can be prone to hemi traits its something you have to learn to live with once in a while
many breeders do not offer any strains that take my fancy .. i don't have any loyalty to any breeder over another if it sounds nice and the seeds are a fair price i am happy to try most breeders .. although i did make a short list that im working through at the moment
skunkd0c
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potency is the secondary concern for me personally, i would take a better tasting moreish strain over a bland tasting more potent strain but that's just my preference .. anyway this is my short list lol im working through these breeders , not because i think they are better, but just because they have strains that take my fancy .. with over 2000 strains out there you have to start somewhere
B.O.G. Seeds sour bubble bogbubble bluemoon rocks
Breeders Choice chocolate rain
Delta 9 Labs brainstorm haze f.o.g
DJ Short blueberry flo f-13
Moscaseeds c99 bx
Motarebel genetics killa queen killa kush
Mr Nice Seedbank mango haze super silver haze whitewidow nl#5
Next Generation Seed Company grapegod, grapefruit haze, romulan
Reefermans Seeds love potion, c99
Secret Valley Seeds northern flame, jamican grape
Serious Seeds ak47, bubblegum
TGA Subcool Seeds jack the ripper, vortex, angent orange,
The Cali Connection lemon larry chem valley kush pre98 bubba
Underground Originals killer skunk, smile, blues
B.O.G. Seeds sour bubble bogbubble bluemoon rocks
Breeders Choice chocolate rain
Delta 9 Labs brainstorm haze f.o.g
DJ Short blueberry flo f-13
Moscaseeds c99 bx
Motarebel genetics killa queen killa kush
Mr Nice Seedbank mango haze super silver haze whitewidow nl#5
Next Generation Seed Company grapegod, grapefruit haze, romulan
Reefermans Seeds love potion, c99
Secret Valley Seeds northern flame, jamican grape
Serious Seeds ak47, bubblegum
TGA Subcool Seeds jack the ripper, vortex, angent orange,
The Cali Connection lemon larry chem valley kush pre98 bubba
Underground Originals killer skunk, smile, blues
THESkunkMunkie
Well-Known Member
It's a short but really sweet line up you got there. You have great taste in strains imo
theinhibitor
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Your like a teenager who, to stand out, decides to call one of the better companies "terrible" and a "sham" that produces "gurly hermie sativas" just to stand out and be independent. Sorry for liking sativas I guess, but you can go back and smoke all the indica dominant strains you want, get sleepy, eat a bunch, and do nothing with your life that is apparent from both your username and profile pic.Yet this guy believes I make no sense, I grow gurly hermie strains and then recommends bs sativas and a seed company that 99% of the world considers con artist and wanna-be's. Awesome...I may make no sense to you inhibitor, but if your putting greenhouse seeds ahead of sub, on any level...YOU my inhibiting friend have some issues of your own...sooooo
Fuck Greenhouse seed company
Ooh nice link, how about this:
http://fullspectrumlabs.com/test/1002427/ (thc 25%)
Oh and did i mention that they practically always win the cannabis cup or have a runner up AND have STABLE strains that dont show 4-5 phenos like TGA's plushberry? get your head out of your ass.
Oh i forgot to mention that greenhouse sells their seeds cheaper AND feminized, so if you keep intending on getting ripped off, then by all means, order overpriced regular seeds from breeders like TGA and Cali Connection who love "high potency" and use it to lure idiots like you into buying hundreds of dollars worth of shit seeds.
And like you would know anything about breeding or strains. Whats a 1-3-1 cube cross? have you ever stabilized your germplasm? Whats does half-sib recurrent selection mean? whats a polycross polygeny test? Whats the Sewall Wright formula to predict the yield of an inbred group of hybrids? Yeah you dont know shit so stop talking like you do. Fuck, you dont even know what those tests that your looking at mean or how they are done, the error propagation associated with the numbers, and what the percents actually correspond to. Greenhouse seeds actually tries to make seeds affordable, and sure i dont like a lot of their strains, and arjan is an arrogant asshole, but they have done so much more for the mj community than TGA will ever do. So GTFO and stop talking nonsense.
Budologist420
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complete moron if you knew anything about subcool you would know that he doesnt not like the taste of kushes. hes not a fan of kushes. he doesnt use them as a marketing scheme he use dank genetics with a wide gene pool so that people can find the pheno type that THEY enjoy.
I grow both companys seeds, tga and greenhouse, i'm not saying that greenhouse sucks because the stinkiest plant i've grown outdoors is ghsc white rhino, but tga's plants have more vigor and dont have that chance of being hermie and overall are just better plants. i have kings kush, white rhino, and white widow from ghsc and their turnign out to be very dank, but they arent even close to my void, vortex, deep purple, qleaner from tga.
and btw your the first person i've read on this site backing up ghsc over tga. something must be wrong here.
theinhibitor
Well-Known Member
Heres the standard deviation of THC percentage of dairy queen, just to show you how wrong you are when you say TGA produces strains above 20% thc, and given that dairy queen is oe of their more potent, you might be surprised:
Out of 5 tests, this is the following THC percentage attained by dairy queen.
22.35%
13.36%
15.93%
14.55%
20.84%
So, the average is 17.406, with a stdev of 3.9, hardly the 20% u keep boasting about.
theinhibitor
Well-Known Member
Yeah i changed it to potency, which was what i was trying to say but i kept thinking about cali connection. but as for why i back up ghsc and not tga its because of the hundred strains i have grown, TGA always shows sloppy results. I love some of their plants, but the amount of pheno's i get is ridiculous and clearly illustrates their lack of time and consideration during breeding. I dont know if you are a breeder, or are breeding, but for me, seeing this is like a slap in the face. I spend YEARS breeding a single strain just to stabilize it and seeing as their are not very stable (maybe save querkle) i feel slighted.
They release way too early unlike ghsc which spends a lot of time running tests which I find both interesting and professional. I guess thats it. I understand that you might like TGA but I dont understand why you and mixedmelody keep bashing ghsc with seeming little knowledge of what these companies actually do. But by all means prove me wrong.
Shannon Alexander
Well-Known Member
Maybe some people like the idea of being able to pop some seeds and get a couple of different flavours for mothers to clone? I don't know... Each to their own...
skunkd0c
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Just to clear something up folks, my strain list that i am working on came from this original thread https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/461722-your-top-10-seed-companies.html .. where i listed some breeders and strains they are known for
at no point did i state i have NL5 or any of the strains ..listed next to the breeder
i am currently growing the flav and angelheart and Jamaican grape which are all from breeders on that list
the post was about breeders, and all those breeders i listed i would like to grow virtualy all the strains they have, i thought i would clear this up, as nooblets are sending me pm's asking for nl#5 and various other things LOL
at no point did i state i have NL5 or any of the strains ..listed next to the breeder
i am currently growing the flav and angelheart and Jamaican grape which are all from breeders on that list
the post was about breeders, and all those breeders i listed i would like to grow virtualy all the strains they have, i thought i would clear this up, as nooblets are sending me pm's asking for nl#5 and various other things LOL
Omgwtfbbq Indicaman
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i'm growing 4 jillybean, 5 vortex, 4 pandora's box and of the 15 or so vortex i've already grown, i'd say TGA gear is stable, and doesn't hermie like my freebies from greenhouse, which is exactly why i dont buy from them. i get good female/male ratio and ive never had a tga seed fail on me and JTR is better than anything i got to sample from the greenhouse roster. If you dont like the fact that Subcool managed to breed potent sativa/indica hybrids with 7-9 week flowering times, then something is definitely fishy, you are either just trying to fuck with us, or have never grown his gear. m
tardis
Well-Known Member
2 of those phenos are above 20%
theinhibitor
Well-Known Member
Yeah just two...look at the avg. and look at the deviation. Doesnt look so stable now retard.
stonedmetalhead1
Well-Known Member
That's a small sample to get an average from and you don't know how capable all of the growers were. No 2 seeds are alike so there is always going to be deviation. As for Greenhouse they don't really do any breeding except for some simple crosses. Most of there breeding has been done by Shanti and Nevil before they left and their current offerings of the original strains are F2's and S1's because they don't have the original parents. The new strains they put out like Bubba and Chemdawg are nowhere close to the originals. Go ahead and stick with greenhouse if you like sub par smoke and strains that aren't what they claim to be.
steampick
Active Member
I grew out 4 Super Lemon Haze (greenhouse's top plant for a while now) plants indoors last year. It produced 4 distinctly different phenotypes and 2 hermies. It was pretty decent smoke, though. Right now I've got 5 Querkle cooking and they are all very much alike, with only slight pheno deviation.
SmoochieBoochies
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Man o man I planted fifty seeds from a Rom x Warlock cross I made three years ago back in May and I had a 50/50 male/female ratio on the thirty eight that germ'd. If I shelled out good coin for the results you had I'd be all bent out of shape! I hope you contacted TGA and they made you whole on this.
Peace!
doc111
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It's hard to place blame on germination results. Yes, it could be the breeder's fault, or the seedbank's or it could be the grower's fault. There's almost no way to tell. Everyone who has crappy germination results always claims they've been "growing for, like, 40 years" and they've "never had such shitty germination rates before." I agree, it would be good customer service if sub takes care of him regardless. He can afford to do it, right? I seriously doubt he will though. I guess it all depends on the approach you take with him. He can be a bit grumpy these days.
cerberus
Well-Known Member
he has the largest sample that has been tested to date. so as far as 'studies' go this 10 round is the most extensive. second the deviation in seeds is exactly what this dude is bitching about, there shouldnt be that much, it's why you pay 100$ for 10, and not just bag seeds.. thirdly GHS may or may not be the best choice, but with the emerging market (especially the true medical side) consistent results are going to be key.
doowmd
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So what's the point? You do or don't like greenhouse for consistent results? And if not then what co. has the most consistent results in anyone's opinion?
