TGA SUBCOOL realeasing prob the greatest strain in the world on attitude! PLUSHBERRY

doowmd

Well-Known Member
Yea, I went back and looked at the price page. it showed the cherry bomb as in stock. (and for $95). There's pro's and cons w/ everything I guess. "Tude doesn't have something in stock, 'depot charges too much w/o a gurantee. (If cherrybomb was in stock at the tude it'd cost approx. $3 more w/ guarantee and all) But if you say you've used 'em ('Depot) w/ success, and have faith in 'em, Bricktop, then I wouldn't have a prob trying em'. Maybe one of these days.......
 

henery

Active Member
thanks brick ill give that a try next round all cmh...+ rep when i can i gave out too much already
Oh yeah give brick rep points and me crap and I was the one to tell you all this and you never believed me so now do ya dude? You need to keep an open mind in this hobby don't believe everything but don't be so quick to dismiss every thing either have a good day no hard feelings!
 

Brick Top

New Member
If you think about it, Attitude is more expensive for many things like sub's gear for instance. They are not a breeder and they have to pay for the seeds and if they are confiscated they would have to eat that price if they guaranteed shipping. All that would happen is they would have to charge more money to every customer to make up for the price of that just like attitude charges more for standard shipping, the freebies aren't free. WhenI used Attitude I didn't get the guaranteed shipping and they came just fine and hempdepot is alsoa reliable seedbank that isn't in the business of ripping people off. Besidesthey have great stealth shipping, the best IMO maybe only sannies was better.

For some seeds Hemp Depot charges more and on a few they are less, but then that can be the same with any seedbank. It could depend on how much markup they add to their beans and it might also be based on what they pay for seeds. I have owned several businesses, a car dealership and a marina/boat dealership and with cars ever dealer would pay the exact same price for the exact same vehicle but with boats the more you ordered the better pricing you would get. Possibly breeders, or some breeders anyway, give better pricing to seedbanks that order larger quantities of their seeds and that could be what explains the price difference, at least in some cases.

What you said about Attitude's so called freebies is something I said a day or two ago in a thread, that they are not really free. The price of every bean sold is slightly marked up to cover the cost of the so called freebies so in a way what they really are, are beans that you are made to purchase at a reduced rate. That is, if you figure you pay slightly more for each pack you do want to order that additional amount is what you pay for the beans that you would not be ordering but they are basically crammed down your throat and called free.

As for the reliability of Hemp Depot, I have said it is a very good business to deal with for years and recommend them very often. When I post the seedbank rating site information I often post I always highlight the seedbanks with 4 stars or more because they are the most reliable and that means that Hemp Depot is always highlighted.

I like it, I use it, I have never had any problem with it.
 

Brick Top

New Member
Originally Posted by wyteberrywidow thanks brick ill give that a try next round all cmh...+ rep when i can i gave out too much already

Oh yeah give brick rep points and me crap and I was the one to tell you all this and you never believed me so now do ya dude? You need to keep an open mind in this hobby don't believe everything but don't be so quick to dismiss every thing either have a good day no hard feelings!

If you want the +rep he can give it to you instead of me for all I care. I'm not a rep whore. I tell people all the time to not bother giving me any +rep. I wish the idea had never been thought of, on this site and others that call it karma and mojo and all sorts of other things. It's like Jr. high school popularity crap to me.
 

Unnk

Well-Known Member
I have not tried any of the Cali Connection line but I figure I will get around to it but I will pass on the SubCool/TGA line.
To each his own, but may I ask why? Not even to give one 10 pack a try? IMO anything anyone says online about any product they get from seed can be a total fabrication but in all honesty... Would not trying for your self be the only way to give them a real chance? Who knows you might like the gear lol. What about JTR , Pandora , or JCBX. Because if you havent tried any of the Jacks Cleaner line i suggest you do.
 
Oh yeah give brick rep points and me crap and I was the one to tell you all this and you never believed me so now do ya dude? You need to keep an open mind in this hobby don't believe everything but don't be so quick to dismiss every thing either have a good day no hard feelings!
You did not say what he said.You said feed high noitrogen in the first weeks from seed..He after 4 weeks add a mh light...Damn dude read..What you gave was misinformation
 
I am not new to this just don't post as much as you guy's but this is indeed fact!
If you don't believe me try it what would it hurt you will thank me later!
Veg with a light with lots of blue have cool temps eg 68 70 and feed high Nitrogen fert you will be surprised If ya follow all this it is not uncommon to have 90% female ratio's!
Look what you said.You say its a fact

I can't say, and I never really thought about it. I was only curious if what was unable to be remembered about how to increase the female to male percentage was the information I posted or if it was different.

But if I were to venture a guess I would say the exact type of bulb, MH, CMH, conversion MH would not likely matter as long as the color spectrum would remain the same as what is considered optimal ... which might not be possible to get from those other types of bulbs ... but if it would I would tend to believe the plants would not 'care' in the least what design the light source was ... and only 'care' about the light spectrum they received.

On another note .... even if the information, which came from Dutch Passion Seeds, is accurate ... it is really pretty much worthless to just about every single grower. If you pay attention to it as you read it the word optimal is used repeatedly, as in optimal conditions, optimal environment, optimal lighting, optimal amounts of moisture, optimal amounts of ferts in optimal proportions. It does not mean what each individual grower sees as being optimal but instead what would be optimal for each individual strains genetics. Few if any growers achieve 100% optimal conditions for a single strain let alone for any and every strain they will grow.

So to me, if the info is accurate, it is interesting ... but nearly useless to most, if not all, growers. It is like being told how to build a space shuttle when you lack the skills and the setup and the equipment to then do what you learned. There is no singular across the board for every genetic combination 100% optimal conditions/environment/feeding/fertilizing etc. etc. etc. Possibly the only thing that would be universal would be lighting, but possibly not even that. If one strains genetics are largely from a region with very high amounts of UV-B rays and another from an area of very low UV-B rays that might make a difference. People only see their importance during flower, but keep in mind in nature they are there each and every day a plant grows, in differing amounts in different regions, and it is possible that could factor in depending on a strains genetics.

It mentions temperature but again individual genetics would have to play a part. It says lower temperatures equates to more females, but how would that work in nature in landrace strains in equatorial or tropical regions? That would mean in those conditions most seeds would be males. Going back to the late 60's and early 70's when I grew strains from such regions using bagseed from those strains on average I did not end up with a larger number of males to females than any time I have purchased regular beans of crosses.

It seemed contradictory to me for it to say that higher moisture/humidity of the seedbed would create a higher population of females. If you again look at nature consider the jungle strains, those that grow in tropical regions, regions with lots of rain and humidity, but also high temperatures. The ground will be moist there, but the temperatures high, so wouldn't it be logical that the one counteract the other? If high heat equates to increased percentages of males and high moisture content of the seedbed equates to increased percentages of females, when both conditions exist, which wins, which overcomes the other, or do they cancel each other out and a mid-way balance point is reached?

Personally I believe the info from Dutch Passion is basically propaganda and a way to blame growers for having more males or more hermies. When they first made feminized seeds they called them "female seeds." Many people got hermies and now and then a true male would popl up, though not very often, so they switched to calling their seeds feminized, meaning very highly likely to be female but don't be shocked if you get some hermies and the odd male now and then ... but to keep from looking like they are in any way responsible they claim that if ever condition is "optimal" you can count on female plants 90% to 95% of the time from regular beans and feminized ones should be females for sure.

They know that very, very few, if any, growers will achieve absolutely optimal conditions and environment and maintain it throughout a grow ... so when growers do not get a high percentage of females or they get a number of hermies, well, that was the fault of the grower by not creating and maintaining optimal conditions and environment etc. etc. etc. and it absolves Dutch Passion from any unwanted negative results a grower might experience.

But that is only my opinion ... and nothing more.
Then look at what he said....DO you think you deserve rep??????
He says opinion see the difference..
 

doowmd

Well-Known Member
Wow, call Rilpey's Believe It Or Not!

On second thought don't bother. They won't believe you.
yea I got a little tickled when I read the "I got 50 females out of 50 seeds" quote. I almost called bullshit, but didn't want to start any drama, but since "it's already been brought it": BULLSHIT Any one who buy's the fact that he got 50 of 50 females.....
"I got some ocean front property in Arizona, from my front porch u can see the sea.""If you'll buy that I'll throw the GoldenGate in free".
 

tardis

Well-Known Member
A number of strains over the years that were very similar have been claimed to have been the same thing but I never believed Kali Mist and Western Winds; "to be the same thing," as in identical genetics, but I have said there are real similarities and have told people who could not shell out the price of Kali Mist to give Western Winds a try because I believe it to be as close to Kali Mist as they would find.

When I have grown them their finishing times, physical appearance, flowering stretch, yields, odor and flavor were different enough that while the highs were very similar I found it difficult to believe they were the very same genetics, and since I have grown each several times, all from seeds, I doubt it was just a phenotype difference that would explain the differences between the two mentioned.

I could believe that they both came from the same strain lines, but not the same actual genetics, as in the same parent plants, which would more or less make one or the other a knockoff that unlike other knockoffs did not share the same name with the other.

In my opinion Kali Mist is better but not so much better that I would ever pass on growing Western Winds or not recommend it.
AWSOME! Exactly the answer I was seeking! kali Mist shall be the choice!
 

tardis

Well-Known Member
OK! I been waiting a few weeks to order that plushberry now, I admit it. especially after a smoke report I read, despite being amateurish (not that mine arn't), I really liked the fact that he mentioned that plushberry stayed just as strong in week 2 as first puff... WHERE IS IT, is it gonna pop up while i'm at a party at superbowl weekend so I dont' get it? damn it!
 

Brick Top

New Member
Originally Posted by Brick Top Wow, call Rilpey's Believe It Or Not!

On second thought don't bother. They won't believe you.


yea I got a little tickled when I read the "I got 50 females out of 50 seeds" quote. I almost called bullshit, but didn't want to start any drama, but since "it's already been brought it": BULLSHIT Any one who buy's the fact that he got 50 of 50 females.....
"I got some ocean front property in Arizona, from my front porch u can see the sea.""If you'll buy that I'll throw the GoldenGate in free".
It was just another one of SubCool's bubblegummer groupies trying to protect his/her breeder-rock-star idol .. or a SubCool operative attempting to perform damage control.

If you think about the claim it becomes more and more absurd. I have known a few people who bought packs of ten regular seeds (not SubCools seeds, people I know won't grow them) and they did end up with 10 females but normally I end up with around 6, maybe 7 females and now and then less, as do most people I personally know who grow from regular beans. The odds of 50 out of 50 being females are about equal to someone riding a horse sitting backwards on it at a full gallop firing a rifle backwards over their shoulder using a mirror to site with and shooting another bullet out of the sky.

Then you also have to consider the odds of 50 out of 50 seeds germinating. I do not keep track of an actual percentage of successfully popped beans but I would guess in my case for it to be mid to upper 90% but not 100%, and I ain't bad at poppin' beans. That just does not happen, not with that many beans, there will be a few that do not pop or that pop but then do not push out and die and there is no way of knowing what sex a bean that did not pop was or what the sex of one that popped but did not push out and instead died.
 

Brick Top

New Member
AWSOME! Exactly the answer I was seeking! kali Mist shall be the choice!
If you only grew Western Winds you would not be disappointed and say you do not like it and wish you had grow Kali Mist or something else, but if you grew both at the same time, when you sampled each there would be a very high percentage chance that you would say you really like Western Winds but you have to give the edge to Kali Mist and say it is noticeably better. Not massively better, but noticeably better.

Western Winds is a great second choice to Kali Mist for someone who is looking for the same basic high but who has a tighter budget. They will not feel they purchased low grade genetics, but it is just a tad bit less impressive. Now I would call it a 'value strain,' in that it is damn close to Kali Mist and for the difference in price that makes it a darn good value, but if someone wants the best rather than almost the best, then Kali Mist would be the better option.

Enjoy!
 

lbezphil2005

Well-Known Member
Ok..No i never tried TGA or even been to california,nor have i been to the uk...But judgeing by your avatar pic id say what the hell do the old know about the young??? In almost every post i have read from you it has way to much thought put into it..it's fucking weed,not life! Before you point fingers and make judgement apon sommething i wrote or started or accuse me of advertiseing for sumone ask me directly!!! ..No where in your incoherant RAMBLE' did you say anything worth reading...Who cares what my agenda behind my post was..Im here for advice when need'd or help..im here to spread good news about something exciting in the industry thats new! Your attacks point out maybe a tad of jealousy . I will say this, the Attitude sponsers Subcool and TGA right? Subcool has a company right? Subcool with add'd help has devolped some impressive great strains...Now What have you contributed?
I guess you need to look into the forum a little more, little miss sunshine! Holy crap, I can't believe you could insult bricktop like that, he's been around forever and contributed more in a month than you will your entire miserable life. He didn't even insult or put you down, just offered a nice explanation which you immediatlely pissed all over. Grow up and get a clue, try doing a little more reading and a little less chitchat from that mouth of yours that obviously doesnt know when to shut up.
 
Top