THC % Does Not Measure The High

I'm a mechanical engineer who got into growing after being confined to a wheelchair due to an auto accident six years ago. Like most engineers it is virtually impossible to "keep it simple". I have the bad habit of needing to know not only how to due something, but why it does what it does. Bricks Top's post is the type of stuff I love to read. I've research everything about which you speak off and find this post not only informative, but right on the money. Cudos!!!
 

slowgrower

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I don't think this is the right place but I am desperate, I am in japan for the next 3 weeks and I just ate my last weed cookie I brought with, now I am seriously on the hunt, I know and understand the risks, but I need a small chronic break, any help or leads would be greatly appreciated, I am in osaka so if you guys have any intel hook me up.:joint:
 
Cannabinol is the main degradation product of THC and increase in concentration with plant age. The concentration of this product in the egg is highly dependent on time of harvest.
 

dankerous

Active Member
it actually consists of about 500 different chemicals,Im not sure if that is both cannabiniods and terpinoids,but apparently that is what Dr grin spoon says,and I am not arguing with him,as he is the leading dr/medical cannabis expert in his profession


GreenHouseSeeds has said their Great White Shark is one of their strains with the lowest THC levels, however it is a world known strain and it is used in dispensaries all over the world.. I remember reading there is OVER 60 DIFFERENT cannabanoids and we currently can only measure two, CBD and CBN... There is obviously other factors that contribute to the all around buzz achieved from each different strain that we have yet to be able to measure and properly see which strain gives off which buzz simply by looking at its test results.

I think the great white shark is 12% if i remember right, but it was said the combination of the other cannabaniods allow it to be a much more desirable buzz then many strains with higher measurable test results.....
 
GreenHouseSeeds has said their Great White Shark is one of their strains with the lowest THC levels, however it is a world known strain and it is used in dispensaries all over the world.. I remember reading there is OVER 60 DIFFERENT cannabanoids and we currently can only measure two, CBD and CBN... There is obviously other factors that contribute to the all around buzz achieved from each different strain that we have yet to be able to measure and properly see which strain gives off which buzz simply by looking at its test results.

I think the great white shark is 12% if i remember right, but it was said the combination of the other cannabaniods allow it to be a much more desirable buzz then many strains with higher measurable test results.....

Thats amazing I can't wait until people discover what the rest of the cannabinoids do. Thats the key to being able to make medicine the exact way YOU or your (Patients) need.
 

poplars

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Thats amazing I can't wait until people discover what the rest of the cannabinoids do. Thats the key to being able to make medicine the exact way YOU or your (Patients) need.
not really... we had the perfect method then we got lost in all this bs testing. IMO.


it was better in the days of subjective testing where you got some good testers together and you could figure out which strains were good for what over time... it'll take science a long ass time to catch up to what cannabinoids do what, in the mean time we can go back to that classic method of testing.

I mean if it works it works right? who needs to know what fuckin chemical does what when it simply works.​
 

vilify

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not really... we had the perfect method then we got lost in all this bs testing. IMO.


it was better in the days of subjective testing where you got some good testers together and you could figure out which strains were good for what over time... it'll take science a long ass time to catch up to what cannabinoids do what, in the mean time we can go back to that classic method of testing.

I mean if it works it works right? who needs to know what fuckin chemical does what when it simply works.​
there is actually patient testing going on here in michigan.
i will be lab testing my bud, but only for contaminants.
 

vilify

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here is the flyer on patient testing.
its not 100% of what really needs to be done, but what really needs done, would have to be on a MUCH larger scale.
Would be easier if breeders could get their new stuff out to places like this for testing even before release. Testing wouldnt really add any time to release dates.

All it takes is to hand out samples to those in the test for each condition, and they can report back the next day. Day or 2 to chart and make decisions based on information.
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i believe meds need to be the best of quality for patients, and every patient. i dont know whos going to buy my stuff, whether its just chronic pain, or for cancer.
so why risk letting something potentially harmful to a lowered immune system slip through for anyone.. Just my opinion.
 

poplars

Well-Known Member
here is the flyer on patient testing.
its not 100% of what really needs to be done, but what really needs done, would have to be on a MUCH larger scale.
Would be easier if breeders could get their new stuff out to places like this for testing even before release. Testing wouldnt really add any time to release dates.

All it takes is to hand out samples to those in the test for each condition, and they can report back the next day. Day or 2 to chart and make decisions based on information.
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i believe meds need to be the best of quality for patients, and every patient. i dont know whos going to buy my stuff, whether its just chronic pain, or for cancer.
so why risk letting something potentially harmful to a lowered immune system slip through for anyone.. Just my opinion.
yep I couldn't agree more... I just know that my climate is very antimold thankfully, but even I would get my shit tested if I was in a legit business.


but most likely I'm gonna be in the connoisseur bud business more so than the medical bud business.... though my connoisseur bud will be extremely medicinal, it wont be specific medical bud....
 

st0wandgrow

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not really... we had the perfect method then we got lost in all this bs testing. IMO.


it was better in the days of subjective testing where you got some good testers together and you could figure out which strains were good for what over time... it'll take science a long ass time to catch up to what cannabinoids do what, in the mean time we can go back to that classic method of testing.

I mean if it works it works right? who needs to know what fuckin chemical does what when it simply works.​

I agree with you to an extent, but as someone already mentioned earlier in the thread, an individuals chemical makeup will interpret the effects of the various cannabinoids differently.

One person may experience paranoia and a racing heart from a land race sativa, and another person may experience more of a euphoric high. Also, a persons tolerance to these various cannabinoids would have to be factored in, along with the issue of consistently being able to verbalize the users experience in a useful manner.

The scientific testing can at least be consistently applied, eliminating many of the variables that human testing simply cannot account for.
 

poplars

Well-Known Member
I agree with you to an extent, but as someone already mentioned earlier in the thread, an individuals chemical makeup will interpret the effects of the various cannabinoids differently.

One person may experience paranoia and a racing heart from a land race sativa, and another person may experience more of a euphoric high. Also, a persons tolerance to these various cannabinoids would have to be factored in, along with the issue of consistently being able to verbalize the users experience in a useful manner.

The scientific testing can at least be consistently applied, eliminating many of the variables that human testing simply cannot account for.
certified testers and several of them eliminate this issue. and is a LOT easier to pull off than individually identifying every cannabinoid and its function and part of the high....
 

thecrushinator

Active Member
Like others have stated here, the differing amount of cannabinoids inside of your unique strain of cannabis determine your high. Some have high thc with low cbd some have moderate levels of both, some of high cbd low thc. There is an endless combination of medicines. I suggest next time you go to dispensary to discuss this with your budtender, they are most of the time educated in this subject. Toke on!
 

george xxx

Active Member
I did not read the whole thread because the testing has serious issues. Whether the factors are THC or cannabinoids is irrelevant. You cannot compare intravenious feeding of any drug to smoking or orally ingesting. The results are very different. Today things are much diffetent than it was in the 60s. Weed was everywhere and drug samples were handed out on street corners like it was candy. There was little you could swallow at the time I did not try melt and shoot. What you swallow cannot and will not have the same effect when it goes in your arm. The testing is therefore somewhat useless. Its like using mice to test drugs for human consumption.
 

bde0001

New Member
Not sure the thc rating or anything other rating BUT, I do know a strain called juicy fruit or "fruity juice" was the most amazing high AND taste I have ever experianced. It tasted soo sweet and it brought upon a high that I have never experianced before or have ever experianced since last time smoking it.(sounds like it was laced, but i dont think so) I looked up its description online and it sounds like what I had experianced. Unfortunetly they do not have female seeds, and they say it is "unstable" where each plant will have different affects. My brother in law introduced me to this strain which he purchased for $25 a gram and they were packaged in little glass jars. the smell was amazing, the taste was amazing, the high was amazing. RIP JONNY CASH
 

bde0001

New Member
I read that juicy fruit had thai in it. Not sure the genetics, if anyone knows the genetics/strains in juicy fruit, let me know and i would GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. It would be nice if I could create a stable strain and dedicate it to Jonny by naming it Jonny Cash.
 

Moebius

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Just posted in W.O.H thread but pertinent to this one also. ..... The highs of Cannabis can be assisted with the Aroma of essential oils. ... I love using them with weed. Can really help with stress etc.

Examples of some common Terpenes found in Cannabis:

-Borneol
- menthol, camphor, pine, woody. Can be easily converted into menthol. Found in Cinnamon and Wormwood. It is considered a "calming sedative" in Chinese medicine. It is directed for fatigue, recovery from illness and stress.

-Caryophyllene - spicy, sweet, woody, clove, camphor, peppery. Found in black pepper(15-25%), clove(10-20%) and cotton(15-25%). It binds weakly to CB2 receptor. As a topical it is one of the constituents of clove oil, an anti-inflammatory and analgesic treatment for toothache. In high amounts, it’s a calcium and potassium ion channel blocker. As a result, it impedes the pressure exerted by heart muscles. Since THC does not have a smell, drug dogs are trained to find one, very smelly molecule called Caryophyllene-epoxide!

-Cineole/Eucalyptol- spicy, camphor, refreshing, minty. Found in rosemary, eucalyptus. It is used to increase circulation, pain relief and easily crosses the blood-brain-barrier to trigger fast olfactory reaction. Eucalyptus oil is considered centering, balancing and stimulating. It is possibly the stimulating and thought provoking part of the cannabis smoke stream.

-Delta3Carene- sweet, pine, cedar, woodsy, pungent. A constituent of rosemary, pine and cedar resin. In aroma therapy, cypress oil, high in D-3-carene, is used to dry excess fluids, tears, running noses, excess menstrual flow and perspiration. It may contribute to the dry eye and mouth experienced by some marijuana users.

-Limonene- citrus (orange, tangerine, lemon, and grapefruit), rosemary, juniper, peppermint. Repulsive to predators. Found in the rinds of many fruits and flowers. With the presence of other certain terpenes, Limonene can be an anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, anti-depressant and anti- carcinogen. It can synergistically promote the absorption of other terpenes by quickly penetrating cell membranes. The result can be increased systolic blood pressure. Since Limonene is such a potent anti-fungal and anti-cancer agent, it is thought to protect against aspergillus fungi and carcinogens found in cannabis smoke streams!

-Linolool- floral (spring flowers), lily, citrus and candied spice. Possesses anti-anxiety and sedative properties (also in lavender).

-Myrcene – clove like, earthy, green-vegetative, citrus, fruity with tropical mango and minty nuances. The most prevalent terpene found in most varieties of marijuana, it is also present in high amounts in Mangos, hops, lemon grass, East Indian bay tree, verbena and Mercia. Myrcene is one of the most important chemicals used in the perfumery industry. Because of its pleasant odor, it is occasionally used directly. It’s a building block for menthol, citronella, and geraniol. It possesses antimicrobial, antiseptic, analgesic, antioxidant, anti-carcinogen, anti depressant, anti-inflammatory, and muscle relaxing effects. Myrcene affects the permeability of the cell membranes, allowing more THC to reach brain cells.

-Pinene- Alpha: pine needles, rosemary Beta: dill, parsley, rosemary, basil, yarrow, rose, hops, the familiar odor associated with pine trees and their resins. It is the major component in turpentine and is found in many other plant essential oils including rosemary, sage, and eucalyptus. Pinene can increase mental focus and energy, as well as act as an expectorant, bronchodilator (the smoke seems to expand in your lungs), and topical antiseptic. It easily crosses the blood-brain barrier where it inhibits activity of acetylcholinesterase, which destroys acetylcholine, an information transfer molecule, resulting in better memory. It may counteract THC's activity, which leads to low acetylcholine levels. Largely due to the presence of pinene, rosemary and sage are both considered "memory plants." Concoctions made from their leaves have been used for thousands of years in traditional medicine to retain and restore memory.

-Pulegone- mint, camphor, rosemary, candy. It is implicated in liver damage in very high dosages. It is found in tiny quantities in marijuana. Pulegone is an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor. That is, it stops the action of the protein that destroys acetylcholine, which is used by the brain to store memories.

-Sabinene - Found in oak trees, tea tree oil, black pepper and is a major constituent of carrot seed oil.

-Terpineol- floral, lilac, citrus, apple/orange blossoms, lime. It is a minor constituent of many plant essential oils. It is used in perfumes and soaps for fragrance. It reduces physical motility 45% in lab rat tests… Couch-lock effect?

SOURCE : http://terpenes.weebly.com/
 
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