THC driving bill approved by Colorado Senate!

MacGuyver4.2.0

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[h=1]THC driving bill approved by Colorado Senate[/h]
Carroll.
In January, Senator Morgan Carroll told us she feared Senator Steve King's reboot of the THC driving bill would be difficult to kill due to a clever maneuver that avoided her committee -- and the tricks didn't stop there. The measure appeared to die on the Senate floor a short time ago, but it was called back for a second vote and passed by a single vote. :evil:
Here's a quick take from Jessica LeRoux, the woman behind Twirling Hippy Confections and an original member of the Department of Revenue's medical marijuana working group:

Jessica LeRoux.
"Oh, fuck, they recalled the count with a silent vote, and SB 12-117 passes 18 to 17." The bill would establish a per se THC impairment limit of 5 nanograms per milliliter of blood, with "per se" establishing the sort of bright line that translates to instant guilt in the eyes of the law. Opponents raise questions about the usefulness of the standard, in part because of the proclivity of THC to linger in the system of users. For example, medical marijuana reviewer William Breathes registered at nearly triple that level when sober during a test last year. Such evidence led to the original bill being shelved in lieu of further study.
Carroll touched on some of these issues in what Breathes describes as an impassioned plea for legal sanity. She argued that the 5-nanogram limit is too low for many medical marijuana patients. Moreover, she sees the measure as providing an affirmative defense for driving after using cannabis as long as they're under that number.
"One might think we are debating whether people can drive high in Colorado or not," she said. "I'm pretty sure the vote would be 35 to zero if that were the case, but it's not. There is no question that some people at that 5-nanogram level would be impaired. But the problem is that there are also folks at that level who aren't impaired."
Speaking in favor of the bill, King quoted statistics concerning the number of drivers found to have had THC in their system. But as Breathes points out, these statistics don't specify whether the individuals in question registered over or under 5 nanograms or if the THC in their blood was active -- a key to establishing actual impairment.

Leonard Frieling.
Attorney and former judge Leonard Frieling, who spoke to us in March about what he sees as the astronomical costs associated with the bill, is pleased that a portion of the proposal that would have set a zero-tolerance standard for schedule I and II drugs was stripped out late last week. But that's the only positive he sees. "Why is it, they think they are smarter than the guys who looked at this last year?" he asks. "Why are they wasting time with this again? It's just incredible."
In his view, the state "doesn't need this at all, because the current law works. And if they really want to focus on the five [nanograms], they can state it as a rebuttable presumption. Take the 'per se' words out of it. That would agree better with the science, which shows that at five, some people may be impaired, but some people are not.
"The correlation between blood alcohol and impaired driving, as I understand the science, is pretty clear: The higher the number, the worse you drive. But that appears not to hold true as cleanly with cannabis. So talking about impaired driving is one thing, but trying to give a number a meaning it doesn't have is something else entirely."
Now the bill heads to the Republican-controlled House, where the measure is likely to have a great deal of support -- hence LeRoux's note to opponents. "Every MMJ activist needs to be at the ready to get to the Capitol at a moment's notice this coming week," she writes. "Send your e-mails to senators and representatives, tell them not to support SB 12-117."
Frieling's conclusion: "We took a very long look at this last year -- looked at it very carefully. And the ultimate conclusion was, 'We are not going to pass this.' What's changed?"
 

chef c

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So how do they test for active thc? A piss test? I was still over 50 ng a month after my sabbatical started...
 

Medshed

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Piss tests only detect inactive THC, as I understand it. Blood draw is the only way to detect active THC.

Write/call your representatives and let them know you are against this ridiculous law!
 

Medshed

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Here is recommended text from NORML to send to your representatives. Please act quickly - time is limited!
SB 117 Is a Solution in Search of a Problem I urge you to reject Senate Bill 117, which seeks to criminalize anyone who operates a motor vehicle with trace amounts of THC in their blood, regardless of whether their psychomotor performance is demonstrably impaired.
Senate Bill 117 amends state law to redefine "DUI per se" to include "driving when the driver's blood contains more than 5 nanograms or more of delta-9-THC per milliliter in whole blood." Last year, lawmakers rejected a similar proposal. This summer, a special legislative work group also failed to endorse such a per se standard.
Senate Bill 117 is inappropriate because THC levels in blood are often inconsistent predictors of behavioral impairment. Most notably, in a series of studies conducted by the US Department of Transportation in the 1990s, investigators attempted to assess whether it was possible to predict driving impairment by the presence of THC concentrations in blood. They reported that THC blood levels were not a valid or consistent predictor of psychomotor impairment. Authors concluded: "One of the program's objectives was to determine whether it is possible to predict driving impairment by plasma concentrations of THC and/or its metabolite, THC-COOH, in single samples. The answer is very clear: it is not." (United States Department of Transportation. Marijuana and Actual Driving Performance: Final Report. 1993).
Further, daily users of cannabis (such as many of those in Colorado's patient community) may possess residual levels of THC in their blood for periods of time far exceeding any reasonable period of psychomotor impairment. For example, in a recent US government study published in the scientific journal Addiction (Karschner et al. 2009. Do Delta- 9-tetrahydrocannabinol concentrations indicate recent use in chronic cannabis users?), eight out of 23 subjects continued to test positive for the presence of THC in their blood after seven days of monitored abstinence.
SB 117 is unnecessary because law enforcement in Colorado already possesses the legal authority to authorize the collection of THC/blood specimens from suspected DUI drivers and prosecutors routinely use these results as evidence in DUI prosecutions. This evidence, along with additional evidence gathered at the scene (such as the suspect's performance on field sobriety tests and the arresting officer's observations at the scene) provides the state with ample tools to effectively prosecute and convict drivers who engage in DUI marijuana behavior. In fact, over the past four years, Colorado prosecutors have over a 90 percent conviction rate when prosecuting DUI offenses. There is no justifiable need to lower the state's burden of proof in these cases.
Finally, SB 117 would adversely impact state taxpayers. A legislative analysis of the measure estimates that will cost state taxpayers some $1.5 million to implement. That's an additional tax burden on working citizens for a measure that is unnecessary and will do nothing to enhance traffic safety.
Rather than pursuing this costly, poorly drafted legislation, lawmakers who are truly concerned about the threat of impaired motorists ought to consider other proven alternatives. These include:
• Better training for and greater use of Drug Recognition Experts (DREs) to identify drivers under the influence of marijuana or other illicit or licit substances;
• The development of alternate Field Sobriety Tests that are more sensitive and specifically designed to identify motorists impaired by marijuana or other controlled substances;
• Funding for statewide public education efforts targeting younger drivers age 18 to 25 -- as this group is most likely use marijuana or other illicit substances and to have reported driving a motor vehicle shortly after consuming such substances;
• Funding for the development of rapid-response point of collection devices, such as an oral swab test, that will allow an officer to conclude while on the side of the road whether a motorist has recently ingested a controlled substance.
Moving forward with these common sense efforts will ultimately make Colorado's roads and highways safer. Passage of Senate Bill 117 will not.
 

MacGuyver4.2.0

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Medshed-

Thanks for posting that, you beat me to it! ;)

Agreed, THIS HAS TO BE DONE QUICKLY! They are saying the House will pass it already. Apparently all of our elected officials took that big bottle of stupid pills, because this bill is another steaming pile of cow manure. No surpsise.

I'm also going to make sure I tell them I will encourage ALL MY FRIENDS to vote out any rep that further endorses or helps this bill pass. And I think the kicker here really is: whether you have *active* THC in your bloodstream or not. Anything else considered a 'test' is crass.

Here's some contact information for those who want it- Make sure your rep is in your district, I think most of us are pretty much in the general area, but ya never know. ;)

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?State=CO

Bennet, Michael F. - (D - CO)
Class III
458 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-5852
Web Form: www.bennet.senate.gov/contact/
Udall, Mark - (D - CO)
Class II
328 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-5941
Web Form: www.markudall.senate.gov/?p=contact


http://www.house.gov/representatives/

http://coffman.house.gov/

http://coffman.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58&Itemid=7

The General Assembly contacts can be found here:
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2012A/cslFrontPages.nsf/HomeSplash?OpenForm
 

MacGuyver4.2.0

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I also suggest you write/call AND email. It is far too easy to setup a junk filter in email and your email goes right to the bit bucket. By calling them AND or writing this forces those lazy F$#@! to actually have to look or listen to us!
 

bshdctr

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I also suggest you write/call AND email. It is far too easy to setup a junk filter in email and your email goes right to the bit bucket. By calling them AND or writing this forces those lazy F$#@! to actually have to look or listen to us!
Great point- calls and letters are being made!
 

colonuggs

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the problem is going to be proving that the person was impaired...... A THC blood level test is not a scientific means to determine if a person is impaired.... it only shows that the person tested has thc in their system

a medical patient will always be over the set limit

Anyone who smokes daily or 2-3 times a week and gets tested...will get a DUI even if they had not smoked for days

Everyone reacts differently to THC...me im a great driver been a daily stoner and driver for 20+ yrs. no acceidents but im used to the thc effect on my body...I'm always stoned but never impaired

This will be a constant battle until they change the way they test thc and how impairs a person.

Whats next??? A list of all patients given to the state and police for better collections of the $$$$ they want
 

MacGuyver4.2.0

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the problem is going to be proving that the person was impaired...... A THC blood level test is not a scientific means to determine if a person is impaired.... it only shows that the person tested has thc in their system

a medical patient will always be over the set limit

Anyone who smokes daily or 2-3 times a week and gets tested...will get a DUI even if they had not smoked for days

Everyone reacts differently to THC...me im a great driver been a daily stoner and driver for 20+ yrs. no acceidents but im used to the thc effect on my body...I'm always stoned but never impaired

This will be a constant battle until they change the way they test thc and how impairs a person.

Whats next??? A list of all patients given to the state and police for better collections of the $$$$ they want

Exactly- couldn't have said it better myself. :)
Now the timing of this bill...and restarting an almost exact replica of one they shot down once already, tells me someone is trying to grease some palms. There is NO Proven scientific tests that can be administered on the side of the road that *prove* without a reasonable doubt that 'the driver was impaired'. Also with the lawmakers getting ready to shut down for the summer on May9th, why did they dig this dead horse back up again? And why now?

Colorado has legalization on the ballot this November and what happens when THAT passes? Sounds like the scenario that colonuggs just described...where they get ahold of the supposedly confidential MMJ registry database and go shooting fish in a barrel. Talk about LAZY. Thanks for all the replies so far folks, let's keep this topic active...because it DOES affect us all!
 
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