THC/SCHIZOPHRENIA relations
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deflator
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Making wild and definitive declarations is fun on the internet isn't it? Here's another: 10% of the people on this forum know something about 90% of what they say, and the rest (you) know 10% of the facts about 90% of what they say.
My sister is very ill and cannot hold a job. It took 2 years and almost $2k in legal fees to get her $350 a month in disability. The process was hellishly difficult. Now how exactly are 90% of the people slipping through? Haha
Stoney McFried
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Hey, did you guys know that this study was funded by pharmaceutical companies?Hmmmmmmmm.They couldn't possibly have any interest in making marijuana look bad,could they?
rocksteady6
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I know i said i wouldnt comment but i feel i should. Firstly i want to thank Anval(hope i got the spelling right) and Buttery as i have learnt things from both of you. I also should retract a large generalisation i made about
the percentage of people abusing government hand outs as i have no proof. I think this would be hard to prove by me though, as all the people getting welfare for this have been supposedly diagnosed with something by someone.
Regarding your comments about me not reading. You are right that i dont read many books. I prefer the internet these days, not the mumbo jumbo sites, but specific factual sites. I try and read all the arguements and keep an open mind. Agreed that sometimes i am stubborn and that clouds my ability to learn more.
I dont know if my point of view can only be appreciated if i quote various other people as i was trying to use my life experience and what i have seen with my own eyes to make up my mind but this seems to have no merit with a few. I often type too fast and do not express myself correctly. Regarding the addictions to marijuana. Marijuana/drugs of any sort, effect the CNS and anything that does that can become addictive to the body over a period of time. Your body becomes used to these manipulations and that is how addiction occurs.
Regarding my alcoholics comment. Agreed that they cant get in a car, for example, and drive in a superior way to if they were sober but some of the side effects of not being drunk are rapid heart beat, trouble concentrating, hallucinations, disorientation and the list goes on. What i should have expressed is that these symptoms are relieved when they are drunk and therefore on the surface appear to the drunk as a good thing. I do honestly believe that heavy smokers often fall into a similar category as alcoholics. From my own and friends experience i know that there are side effects when coming off any drug so i find it hard to believe that you are saing its not addictive.
I guess what i was trying to get across, and seemed to have failed, is that there are some bad effects that come from smoking. This site is frequented by young kids and this site if full of glorifying smoking. I continuously say many drugs can be used recreationally as well as medicinally but i do feel its naive to not understand the long term effects. Now lets go for a
the percentage of people abusing government hand outs as i have no proof. I think this would be hard to prove by me though, as all the people getting welfare for this have been supposedly diagnosed with something by someone.
Regarding your comments about me not reading. You are right that i dont read many books. I prefer the internet these days, not the mumbo jumbo sites, but specific factual sites. I try and read all the arguements and keep an open mind. Agreed that sometimes i am stubborn and that clouds my ability to learn more.
I dont know if my point of view can only be appreciated if i quote various other people as i was trying to use my life experience and what i have seen with my own eyes to make up my mind but this seems to have no merit with a few. I often type too fast and do not express myself correctly. Regarding the addictions to marijuana. Marijuana/drugs of any sort, effect the CNS and anything that does that can become addictive to the body over a period of time. Your body becomes used to these manipulations and that is how addiction occurs.
Regarding my alcoholics comment. Agreed that they cant get in a car, for example, and drive in a superior way to if they were sober but some of the side effects of not being drunk are rapid heart beat, trouble concentrating, hallucinations, disorientation and the list goes on. What i should have expressed is that these symptoms are relieved when they are drunk and therefore on the surface appear to the drunk as a good thing. I do honestly believe that heavy smokers often fall into a similar category as alcoholics. From my own and friends experience i know that there are side effects when coming off any drug so i find it hard to believe that you are saing its not addictive.
I guess what i was trying to get across, and seemed to have failed, is that there are some bad effects that come from smoking. This site is frequented by young kids and this site if full of glorifying smoking. I continuously say many drugs can be used recreationally as well as medicinally but i do feel its naive to not understand the long term effects. Now lets go for a
anhedonia
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I started smoking regularly when I was a senior in high school, then quit for a year then went back to it for another year then came down with my illness. I could never smoke marijuana after that because it caused me terrifying debilitating panic attacks. I was a multi-instrumentalist and after sitting in jail for a year for selling I got out and found that I could no longer touch musical instruments. I studied music since I was 8 and after doing a year at 20 I was never able to enjoy music the way I used to when I got out. Infact I no longer felt like I had had any education at all. I felt dull. And it just got worse. But by the age of 24 I was diagnosed and put on the meds I take today. Which brings me to my point. With out my psych meds there is no way that I would be able to use marijuana the way I do. Becoming medical 2 1/2 years ago changed my life. Its given me a positive outlook, I feel more grounded and level headed than I have in years. Fortunately I was given disability on the first shot. Didnt have to go through any bullshit. But marijuana has given me a new outlook on life and growing has been tremendously theraputic. You dont really realize it until you wake up some morning and think, man, I really love life.
hightyde27
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Rock steady, thanks for clarifying in your second post and acknowledging a mistake, most people won't. But let me enlighten you:
Yes I have citations, the same useless colored ribbon men have fought for for centuries, they're aren't a mark of anything other than an officers pride. Secondly, I am a private business owner, a landscaper, but as most of my right arm was lost to an IED, with accompanying nerve damage, and a TBI in 03 i do need help with pain management. And I have a helluva time just walking into a building, never mind all the corners , and blind sight lines. Point is, it's much easier for me to do those things whilst high. I work out doors because building structures are still a great source of anxiety for me, and not the kind of "omg, fluffy needs to see the vet and it's to expensive" anxiety, but a fear of dying dread that locks me in place and puts me in a cold sweat.
And yes, people do believe too much shit they read but here's the kicker: at least they're reading! A person willing to pick up a book has a mind ripe for learning, and that in itself is it's own kind of wisdom. So if you want the intelligent crowd to hear and understand you it might go better if you didn't offend most of em. It's cool to be passionate about something but make sure all your facts are in line before you attach emotion to them or you'll just look foolish.
Smoke on, brother. I aint hatin'.
And has anyone considered the recent legalization may be a way for the US to combat Mexican drug cartels?
rocksteady6
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Thanks for getting involved hightyde. It sounds like you have a few reasons for smoking. Sorry to hear your story by the way. Just to clarify one more point. I think reading is a great thing, whether it be in books or the net, but i also think that knowledge gained needs to be supplemented with life experience . I have learnt a lot more about phychiatric patients from being around them than i have from any book and thats a FACT. I am sure that many on this site would testify that they learned from the site sure, but also much was gained through their own grow.
I did admit that i am very stubborn and also a little fiesty and yes you are probably right HT that if i want to be taken seriously then i could do with portraying my thoughts in a less offensive way. To anyone i have offended i apologise. Now about those cartels... I think i should stick to this topic for now.
I did admit that i am very stubborn and also a little fiesty and yes you are probably right HT that if i want to be taken seriously then i could do with portraying my thoughts in a less offensive way. To anyone i have offended i apologise. Now about those cartels... I think i should stick to this topic for now.
greenjumble
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I haven't finished reading all of this but there are some basic things you should know as a professional in the field you are discussing. 1. most people who go inpatient for schizophrenic like symptoms are typically on something that has already circulated out of their system and only THC is showing up. 2. Some people have in fact triggered schizophrenic like symptoms that go away within a couple months. 3. Schizophrenia has a documented genetic link which means that it can be an automobile accident, a physical altercation, too much cocaine, or intense stress that sets of the family predisposition. It can be a lot of things that set it off. An often times the paranoia that comes for some people from smoking too much haze can be misdiagnosed as schizophrenia. The people who diagnose this stuff are just everyday people with different opinions about what they are seeing and different levels of experience to even know what their doing. Peace
Drr
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Good post..
Drr
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Another solid post..
TheNatural
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It is very easy to prevent these symptoms in those brothers and sisters that are imbalanced and also prevents problems in those that are not.....yet....
Cannabis IS A FRUIT.
You do not eat fruit until it is RIPE.
You can eat unripened fruit and it will give you benefit, but will be sour and not be a pleasant experiance.
Same, with Cannabis.
Most I have seen have a huge problem with PATIENCE and cut EARLY.
I usually stay away from things that can cause too much debate, but this is of vital importance and especially for those people who are ready to have their first experiance with Cannabis.
Most first experiances with Cannabis, is from 25-$40 for 7 gram bagweed.
Anyone with a drive for truth and a microscope, can put the scope on most bags of Mids and see that they are EARLY HARVESTED........and I am talking the Mexican Schwag and even the more Hermie Indica dominants, that are grown outside in Cali and even Tenn.
So, when many people try this type of Cannabis for the first time...........it is sometimes, their last time and how sad is that!
They feel more of a paranoid and scattered thought pattern or Zone real bad and then think that all of us advocates........are just crazy and want to improve our own agenda.
It is not the Trees fault, just the ones that handle and harvest it.
Now, the sad thing is; " Even the expensive High Grade Amsterdam Strains that you buy on the street these days, are showing impatience in the form of early harvested fruit and sorry brothers, but the Scope does not lie and especially the feelings you get from early verses RIPE, but this type of Herb, would still be a better candidate for a first try of the plant for a new person, than the early bird junk of the Drug Trade and I am under the belief, that the Powers That Be, know that this early harvested street herb, does not give many a good experiance and they like it that way. "
This Tree, has been under prohibition since the beginning and some of you, know exactly what I mean by that.
The Tree has not forgotten how to give Man, his benefit.
Many of us however, have forgotten that it is indeed a fruit and one that must be cared for and harvested properly.......like all fruits.
Then.......she works her miracles.
PATIENCE and COMMON SENSE......will win a debate loaded with silly papers and articles and opinions.....every time.
Blessings,
Rev. TheNatural
Cannabis IS A FRUIT.
You do not eat fruit until it is RIPE.
You can eat unripened fruit and it will give you benefit, but will be sour and not be a pleasant experiance.
Same, with Cannabis.
Most I have seen have a huge problem with PATIENCE and cut EARLY.
I usually stay away from things that can cause too much debate, but this is of vital importance and especially for those people who are ready to have their first experiance with Cannabis.
Most first experiances with Cannabis, is from 25-$40 for 7 gram bagweed.
Anyone with a drive for truth and a microscope, can put the scope on most bags of Mids and see that they are EARLY HARVESTED........and I am talking the Mexican Schwag and even the more Hermie Indica dominants, that are grown outside in Cali and even Tenn.
So, when many people try this type of Cannabis for the first time...........it is sometimes, their last time and how sad is that!
They feel more of a paranoid and scattered thought pattern or Zone real bad and then think that all of us advocates........are just crazy and want to improve our own agenda.
It is not the Trees fault, just the ones that handle and harvest it.
Now, the sad thing is; " Even the expensive High Grade Amsterdam Strains that you buy on the street these days, are showing impatience in the form of early harvested fruit and sorry brothers, but the Scope does not lie and especially the feelings you get from early verses RIPE, but this type of Herb, would still be a better candidate for a first try of the plant for a new person, than the early bird junk of the Drug Trade and I am under the belief, that the Powers That Be, know that this early harvested street herb, does not give many a good experiance and they like it that way. "
This Tree, has been under prohibition since the beginning and some of you, know exactly what I mean by that.
The Tree has not forgotten how to give Man, his benefit.
Many of us however, have forgotten that it is indeed a fruit and one that must be cared for and harvested properly.......like all fruits.
Then.......she works her miracles.
PATIENCE and COMMON SENSE......will win a debate loaded with silly papers and articles and opinions.....every time.
Blessings,
Rev. TheNatural
Drr
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TheNatural
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Except.. it's a flower not a fruit.. ;oP 
[/QUOTE]
Oh no, my friend.
Fruit......it always has been..... since the beginning.
We just forgot it
Blessings,
Rev. TheNatural
[/QUOTE]Oh no, my friend.
Fruit......it always has been..... since the beginning.
We just forgot it
Blessings,
Rev. TheNatural
inval
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Well actually, you're forming a general opinion based on a limited sample of anecdotal information. Real research attempts to resolve the question scientifically using a large demographically diverse sample and attempting to rule out other possible variables. Otherwise you might erroneously conclude that heavy use of weed leads to schizophrenia and homicide. Anyone with a brain could see that...
Current research in the field exploring the very link you're describing between pot use and schizophrenia does not support your contentions. And BTW, I've been working as a mental health professional for 35 years, during which I have worked in institutions.
rocksteady6
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I did write a reply but double posted and somehow deleted it. I cant be fucked to write again as you seem set in your ways. Funny how people all of a sudden become an expert in a field during threads. My opinions are different to you thats it. I have formed my opinions by methods i have already mentioned. For someone that has 35years of experience in mental health you should know that we know fuck all about the brain so what makes you think you are so right an i am so wrong. Go talk to a neurologist about your claims of MJ not possibly effecting mental health and they will laugh at you.
rocksteady6
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Back to nursing 90 year olds with dementia for you.
Straight up G
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agreed, there is no way I could have read the other guys post and did not read most of yours
Drr
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Originally Posted by rocksteady6
Firstly, Inval, that took me a long time to read. I got bored and skipped the ending.
"Its not rocket science to figure out that if you punish drugs, any drug, often enough you are going to become emotionally unstable which will eventually end up with some sort of neurological disorder. Blaming it on certain strains makes me laugh a little.
I thought i should edit this too. Allowing a schizophrenic to smoke is asking for trouble and in my eyes moronic. I have seen first hand some stuff that doesnt need to be posted here as a result. The good herb can be enjoyed like many other drugs in moderation and when it takes over your life, time for a break. Obviously medical users are a completely different story. " Post 1
"I think this site is full of wankers who know very little on various topics and want to criticise instead of offering help. I dont want to criticise your opinion but i it may interest you to visit the local psych ward and have a chat with their patients and discover how they came to be there. As you will see in my past posts i dont give advice on growing as i dont know about it. I know about this. Not all patients i agree but a lot. We dont need studies to confirm something thats completely obvious. Do we do studies on whether getting hit by a car causes injuries? "
I actually never called him a wanker. I just said that there are a lot on this site. I can be one, often if i dont get cheese on my pasta. I did offer help with my suggestion to visit the local ward and speak to their patients. I have had 2 close friends both develop schizophrenia and spent a lot, and i mean a lot of time with them and in their wards. I dont need books, and studies on mice to confirm something i know is true. I said that the continual use of drugs is going to have an effect on the brain. Any drug. It may not be effecting everyone in the same way and at the same rate. You are obviously well informed by your book collection. Yes those authors are intelligent people and everyone has their opinion.
Here is a little case study for you. Friend of mine. Healthy boy until the age of 16, started smoking the herb and became a heavy user, age 19 diagnosed with schizophrenia. Came home on his 20th birthday and stabbed his sister to death. Now yes he may well have developed it in is life but anyone with a brain could see the effect it was having on him. He got progressively weirder and obviously to the extent he lost control of his actions or at least thought patterns.
Dont get me wrong i love a smoke too. Everything in moderation. I think its wrong for people to believe that just because one person can smoke for many years and have no adverse effeccts that they will be immune also."
Good points also.. BUT I do believe a solid 70% of cannabis is harvested prematurely especially illegally grown probably more like 80%.. I think that Is one of the worst things someone can do is smoke bad weed.. or a medical patient getting a high flying sativa instead of the heavy body hitting indica they need.. that will drive anyone crazy..
also your boy started at 16.. I agree.. starting too young is an issue.. the mind is still weak and underdeveloped.. easily strayed.. I didn't touch it till I was 21.. seen what it does for me and I fell in love.. Now there has been times where I have heavily relied on it as a crutch.. but everyone has their crutches in life..
Another issue is people lacing the buds to make more money.. I have found a little white chunk of rock in an ounce twice before... on 2 seperate occasions.. So that tells me they crushed something and sprinkled it in the bag.. Crack, coke, any white powder.. NOT clean cannabis..
Now what's stopping you from buying a cheap batch of crack, cruching it up and sprinkling it on the QP to make it look sugary AND have a bit more kick..
????? pretty sure thats what these fools were doing.. little white crack looking rocks aren't standard in bags of cannabis..
It also makes one self reflect more then usual.. This can fuck people up bad.. if your not confident with yourself or where your at in life.. could be trouble if you choose to use heavily... BUT that will happen with harder drugs also..
Originally Posted by rocksteady6
Firstly, Inval, that took me a long time to read. I got bored and skipped the ending.
"Its not rocket science to figure out that if you punish drugs, any drug, often enough you are going to become emotionally unstable which will eventually end up with some sort of neurological disorder. Blaming it on certain strains makes me laugh a little.
I thought i should edit this too. Allowing a schizophrenic to smoke is asking for trouble and in my eyes moronic. I have seen first hand some stuff that doesnt need to be posted here as a result. The good herb can be enjoyed like many other drugs in moderation and when it takes over your life, time for a break. Obviously medical users are a completely different story. " Post 1
"I think this site is full of wankers who know very little on various topics and want to criticise instead of offering help. I dont want to criticise your opinion but i it may interest you to visit the local psych ward and have a chat with their patients and discover how they came to be there. As you will see in my past posts i dont give advice on growing as i dont know about it. I know about this. Not all patients i agree but a lot. We dont need studies to confirm something thats completely obvious. Do we do studies on whether getting hit by a car causes injuries? "
I actually never called him a wanker. I just said that there are a lot on this site. I can be one, often if i dont get cheese on my pasta. I did offer help with my suggestion to visit the local ward and speak to their patients. I have had 2 close friends both develop schizophrenia and spent a lot, and i mean a lot of time with them and in their wards. I dont need books, and studies on mice to confirm something i know is true. I said that the continual use of drugs is going to have an effect on the brain. Any drug. It may not be effecting everyone in the same way and at the same rate. You are obviously well informed by your book collection. Yes those authors are intelligent people and everyone has their opinion.
Here is a little case study for you. Friend of mine. Healthy boy until the age of 16, started smoking the herb and became a heavy user, age 19 diagnosed with schizophrenia. Came home on his 20th birthday and stabbed his sister to death. Now yes he may well have developed it in is life but anyone with a brain could see the effect it was having on him. He got progressively weirder and obviously to the extent he lost control of his actions or at least thought patterns.
Dont get me wrong i love a smoke too. Everything in moderation. I think its wrong for people to believe that just because one person can smoke for many years and have no adverse effeccts that they will be immune also."
Good points also.. BUT I do believe a solid 70% of cannabis is harvested prematurely especially illegally grown probably more like 80%.. I think that Is one of the worst things someone can do is smoke bad weed.. or a medical patient getting a high flying sativa instead of the heavy body hitting indica they need.. that will drive anyone crazy..
also your boy started at 16.. I agree.. starting too young is an issue.. the mind is still weak and underdeveloped.. easily strayed.. I didn't touch it till I was 21.. seen what it does for me and I fell in love.. Now there has been times where I have heavily relied on it as a crutch.. but everyone has their crutches in life..
Another issue is people lacing the buds to make more money.. I have found a little white chunk of rock in an ounce twice before... on 2 seperate occasions.. So that tells me they crushed something and sprinkled it in the bag.. Crack, coke, any white powder.. NOT clean cannabis..
Now what's stopping you from buying a cheap batch of crack, cruching it up and sprinkling it on the QP to make it look sugary AND have a bit more kick..
????? pretty sure thats what these fools were doing.. little white crack looking rocks aren't standard in bags of cannabis..
It also makes one self reflect more then usual.. This can fuck people up bad.. if your not confident with yourself or where your at in life.. could be trouble if you choose to use heavily... BUT that will happen with harder drugs also..
i had a friend who went skitzo and is now passed away r.i.p marc anyways when we first noticed he was turning wierd was especially when he smoked but it didint matter what kind of weed it was for that fact even hash and oil all had the same affects on him the only time i ever saw him act even close to normal was right before he got diagnossed and all did some lsd we wher all fucked and he was normal now that was wierd.
i have been smoking for about 18 years now on a dailly basis (all day everyday)
premature weed mouldy weed old weed i smoked them all lol and im still smarter and socially functionable than most.
but i will admit that weed does have amajor affect on my motivation really dont wanna do shit most of the time unless its smoking weeed
i have been smoking for about 18 years now on a dailly basis (all day everyday)
premature weed mouldy weed old weed i smoked them all lol and im still smarter and socially functionable than most.
but i will admit that weed does have amajor affect on my motivation really dont wanna do shit most of the time unless its smoking weeed