The Art of The Auto

@HBS... not that I know of... it was the same problem I had.. wanted to journal this shit but couldn't get the f---in pics to co-operate in order... so I've stuck to posting in the thread.. at least i can rearrange in advanced mode in the thread!


@ encounter... I haven't tried that... but I can tell you he microzziahl fungi are a big difference... hey act kinda like an enzyme (lock and key) with the roots to help the roots transfer/absorb nutes from the soil... honestly though, tht site sounds a bit hopped up... a lot of sales pitch it sounds to me... if I can dig em up I've got some pics around somehwere of some 300 lb pumkins I grew..... don't mean to discourage you, but I think you can get the same job done for a lot less....
hints:

microzziahl fungi (aka FF Root Drench)
Beneficial nematodes
Water bubbling (FD's method)
and ph... these are the main root level techniques...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ4Z_RdgvgU&feature=related

J

.....So folks know what we are talking about.

mossys said:

FullD's Magic Water......kiss-ass

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I dont know about magic but i do know that it works I introduced the idea and we got our results and i think im going to bring it in to them a little different this time.
Show and tell really.

pH has everything to do with the plants survival, its as simple as that. If the pH range of the soil or other medium is not in the ideal range the plant can't eat. If the plant can't eat i bet you can guess what happens next. So the idea is to try our hardest to keep it balanced so the plant can uptake every thing it needs to grow and metabolize. The better we treat them the better they seem to reward us.

So with that in mind how do we control something like this as well as promote maximum uptake. I fiddled with hydro (DWC) a few years back and had to learn a great deal about pH and how the plant could survive in water alone. I then decided to go back to soil and wanted to be able to control the pH here as well
AND provide the maximum amount of oxygen to the roots as i could in a soil medium. The more o2 the roots receive the bigger the bitch will grow, never minding the space the roots were in.

So here is what you need to do to get control on the soil medium you are growing in to provide the plant perfect pH at all times. I also have some proof it works.

I mainly collect rain water for this as its free and it has been provided to outdoor plants for years for a reason Rain water falls in at 6.0-6.9 range in my area, this will depend on the area you live in as well. If you on the coast your rain water will have a higher sodium content to it. You will need to soften the water. Ill cover that in a just a few. After collecting the water and balancing it of to the 6.0-6.5 range i start the o2 treatment.

Now there are a few things that we can use to buffer the pH down in our water.
There are chemicals and powders that can raise and lower the pH of your water but we have one that has several beneficial points to it. White wine vinegar is one of the best sources of a pH buffer you can use. It will make the water soft, balance out the pH and feed the plant micro nutrients all in one shot. I use one tea spoon to a gallon and it puts my water in the range i grow in.

I use gallon jugs to hold the water and feed them 24/7 with air. This does several things for you it allows a constant balanced mix of water, air, and if added nutrients to apply to the plant. After you have pumped the water for a few hrs you can then apply to the plant. If you have the room like i do i run it at all times.
I can pour some water in a 16oz cup and it will fizz like its carbonated.

I promise you if you take the time to do this you will have stupid results.
I introduced this method to Mossy last year as i was growing out my first round of JEM's . He decided to apply it to his grows this year. Multi potting is the same as he always does.

Check out the difference

This is in growing season, out door so it had 10x the light that they had right now.
Here they are in the same style pot on the patio last summer.
(Mossy)


Here is the run this year in COLD weather as well as started under a light. Conditions were no where near the "typical" favorable.
(mossy)


Not only will this allow great growth in large pots it will allow some real Giants in small pots that wouldn't normally get that big.

8in pot same conditions yet towering over that dirt space (Mossy)



60 gram bud stick 6in pot (FD)


74gram cup(FD)



These are some of the results guys, and as always if you have any questions let any of us know.

John Mondello said:

@HBS... not that I know of... it was the same problem I had.. wanted to journal this shit but couldn't get the f---in pics to co-operate in order... so I've stuck to posting in the thread.. at least i can rearrange in advanced mode in the thread!

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Well that is fucked up. It would be a very important tool to have on here since we are dealing with plants and timetables. Now I will have to create a another file to put them in after I go through all my files and sort them out. Some of the pics I have on here, I no longer have anywhere else. What a huge fustercluck! (in that order). Sorting them all out would be like watching old people fuck (slow and boring). Oh well, I guess the album stays the way it is.

I figured for like $80 for the whole thing it wasnt to bad. id be spending that on the stuff plus shipping costs cause the nearest hydro shop is 2 hrs away. hell i might just buy that stuff and the things you mentioned and do a straight up head to head on it think that would make for a good attention holder?

Thanks for the refresher FD. It is nice to be able bring the particulars back to the front of the mind and get the new growers up to speed. I do believe that the bubbled water is making a difference in my girls. They were full before but my two oldest have gotten bigger than any before them. They are taking over my little space, my area is 3'wide x 4'deep x 3'tall. the two in the middle are taking up a good bit of that
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teflondummy said:

Thanks for the refresher FD. It is nice to be able bring the particulars back to the front of the mind and get the new growers up to speed. I do believe that the bubbled water is making a difference in my girls. They were full before but my two oldest have gotten bigger than any before them. They are taking over my little space, my area is 3'wide x 4'deep x 3'tall. the two in the middle are taking up a good bit of that
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Now thats whats up my man, glad to hear that

It seems to do some crazy things to the swelling at the end too, i got about 2-3 weeks left of the big girls cant wait to see numbers on em

i cant wait to hear the numbers to get if you break your previous record, even by 1 gram lol, ill be happy.

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Hanging with BB

ENCOUNTERZERO said:

I figured for like $80 for the whole thing it wasnt to bad. id be spending that on the stuff plus shipping costs cause the nearest hydro shop is 2 hrs away. hell i might just buy that stuff and the things you mentioned and do a straight up head to head on it think that would make for a good attention holder?

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I would keep my eyes glued. It must work well if the dude in the vid uses the stuff. After all, he is a supplier to dispensaries. He wouldn't use it if it didn't make him more $.
I would definitely get some of that shit if I had the extra cash.

Bighill said:

Here are some pics.. Was bored had the cam out.

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Its about damn time man, they are looking good cant wait to see who they are.

I think this one is going to be male. Nice looking so far.

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ill second that one, and if im wrong i wont post for a day, sound good?
like to self discipline

That's all from the hill house this evening... I could post up some pics of the kush i'm smoking but i'll save those for trich shot fridays.. As i know i'll need some kind of ammo to keep up with mossy and FD's microscope shots.

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see i knew you had something up your sleeve, makes me want to scope this
Sour D

@ encounter... we love live experiments! do it!

@ FD... thanks for the refresher and I'm sure the thread noobs will appreciate it as well! What a great comparison! Real results from real growers and breeders... thats the mother-f-ing bomb! I'm also very glad to hear about the swelling in the last 2 weeks as I have 14 days left and am hoping for some major swelling! (Bud Boners?)

lol

J

I hope you find all the swell your heart desires.

FullDuplex said:

On the scales

Hanging with BB

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I have been doing everything you mentioned religiously FD. I just messed up with not adjusting the ph on the first batch of flower nutes I gave them. Then to add insult to injury I sprinkled the bone on the surface of the soil and didnt think of the swings in ph it would cause. Now I have leafs that look like swiss cheese. Not much I can do now, but it has been a lesson well learned.

At least I got the cal/mag issue in check (My name should be Harry Cup Halffull)

lol... smartass! lol
I'm sure they will... been ampin em up with bubbler water, some molasses, a little high phospo bat guano, and some big bloom and tiger bloom... just cant wait to get switched to composing my own soils.... next week its on like donkey kong!

god damn FD i had to do a double take on the one pic it looked like you glued a damn milk dude on the bottom till i realized that was the stem holy hell dude you and mossy i sware are trying to grow a damn ganja redwood. (thats a idea there for a competition) I have been inspired im gonna do a head up run here probably around april of the things JM suggested against the RTI shit and im gonna do your water method in both.( Im getting the RTI stuff next month and will be sure to document it both photos and a log.) Im gonna document the shit outta that too.(Im a nerd and like to try new stuff and learn) if anyone has any other suggestions or anything else they would like to contribute im all ears.

John Mondello said:

@ FD... thanks for the refresher and I'm sure the thread noobs will appreciate it as well! What a great comparison! Real results from real growers and breeders... thats the mother-f-ing bomb! I'm also very glad to hear about the swelling in the last 2 weeks as I have 14 days left and am hoping for some major swelling! (Bud Boners?)

lol

J

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If you want to get your swell on on bud boner as you say you need to start a flush if you are 14 days out, but you need to look at the trics at this point too
I cant really see the bud development from the pics so i can tell what they are looking like to the eye. If you can get me a clear macro i could tell better.
Then we can decide if they need to go longer that the 14 days or not. I can tell you i have havent had 2 finish at the same time......yet

JM either your mighty damn close to where im from or that vid you found on youtube is pretty common to find cause i saw that when i was looking around on there for info on huge pumpkins.

ENCOUNTERZERO said:

it looked like you glued a damn milk dude on the bottom till i realized that was the stem holy hell dude you and mossy i sware are trying to grow a damn ganja redwood.

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LOL i almost fell out of the chair on that one. It has been the thickest yet.
I had to cut it with ratchet pruners cause the others wouldn't go through
they kept bending.

@ BH and those interested in the ablino

How to Keep an albino alive

Just a general consensus and idea, seems it would work to me.
I think that if another showed and you had it in a room with dual color LED light
surrounded with UV supplimentals and some sugar
i think you might get one to survive.

Just an idea

Edit:

Ignore the last post in that link although it may make you laugh.

ive seen probly a million damn auto shots and vids and from what ive seen the people here make all the ones ive seen look like a 5yr sniffing airplane glue was growing them. Now as far as the testing i research like insane before i buy anything unless i can find zero info then ill just take the gamble on it but from what i see here you guys have it down to a science and thats what im aiming for and if by some stroke of blind luck i find something that will help anyone growing and it get put to use even one time then it was worth the time and money to do. Theres no such thing as wasted knowledge if it was even used once.