The Art of The Auto

Ball-Bearing Stud ......

The BX's have left the Room.....
(grow cupboard..)
I'm thinking I'm gonna have some girls in a couple of the other pots in the next few days...
so I don't want him dropping a ball.

I Think he is about 4 days off...
the colder room might extend that a bit.





Stud...

Her far left..him next to her...
They all match frame shape..
But the female has a Different leaf pattern..

so they aren't a Perfect match.

But..this is first look-see...

If you go to my homepage there is pics from 31 days showing they are forshure auto's. I got the seeds from a friend of a friend who grows these. Been tring to hook up with him but been unsucseful. They are on a table turned upside down. wrapped foil around leggs. My room will be finished today if all goes well. They wasn't supose to be auto's wan't ready yet.

showing they are forshure auto's

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If you are Sure they are AF...change your light pattern...
bit at a time...or you may Shock them.

I'm wondering Why someone told you to change to 12/12 though...?

They never grew AF's before. I left them in 20/4 for 3 more days to make shure and several more poped out. But if by some odd reason they are not AF's (whitch all signs point to) it would mess them up. What wil the differnts be if I leave on 12/12 comparied to 18/6

mossys said:

IF..a picture Paints a thousand words..then why can't I paint you.....
(Tell Salvalas..Kojak..just me then.........)

'Least I'm singing again...that IS Good news....isn't it...?.....

Here is your Thousand words....

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Glad to hear you singing again, its always a good sign

FullD..come closer to the screen..I have to whisper.....

If you say...
"It's next to the Yellow leaf Mossy"....

I'll be round to yours to sort you out.....

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i laughed out loud on this one, even lady D was like whats so funny?
i wont say a thing

I think we need FullD to look because the leaf looks dehydrated and out of condition...
Don't worry..
I'd just feel better with a second opinion.

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i see two leafs that are a little damaged, but only one concerns me
The yellow one looks to be a little burnt, high nute feeding, nothing to worry about
should be fine i dont see it rampid on any other foliage.

The second one is the one that concerns me, the one that is shrivvled.
Looks like this one to me


Sorry for the bad pic guys, but this is usually signs of a ph fluctuation.
Now before you start to worry i dont think its that bad. I think the damage you are seeing is older damage. Its only impacted one leaf and not the whole set. So to me this says that it happened and the cell tissue got damaged but at the same time you balanced it out and stopped it from progressing. All before you knew what was going on.

I think the vinegar is working great at keeping the pH balanced but i do have a question for you. I know that you are boiling the water and reaching the desired pH, but are you testing it after bubbling and then feeding, or just pH testing before the bubble? I think that digital ph meter was a good investment. Its gonna come in handy I would test the pH before i water and check your run off numbers to to see if there is anything still going on.

I'd have to roll with ya on this mossy and hitman... it looks damn good for 12/12... which says mossy may be right... may not be AF's at all.... What made you think they were AF's btw?

mossys said:

Second opinions wanted guys...what do You think.....

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I too think that it needs dialed back, if it started throwing pistils at 20/4 of light
i would say it was auto and needed to be left at that schedule
My guess was he was told to hit 12/12 because of lack of knowledge of autos
not on his part but from the source. Typical mistake really
Pistils=12/12 to non auto guys

FullDuplex said:

Glad to hear you singing again, its always a good sign



i laughed out loud on this one, even lady D was like whats so funny?
i wont say a thing



i see two leafs that are a little damaged, but only one concerns me
The yellow one looks to be a little burnt, high nute feeding, nothing to worry about
should be fine i dont see it rampid on any other foliage.

The second one is the one that concerns me, the one that is shrivvled.
Looks like this one to me

Sorry for the bad pic guys, but this is usually signs of a ph fluctuation.
Now before you start to worry i dont think its that bad. I think the damage you are seeing is older damage. Its only impacted one leaf and not the whole set. So to me this says that it happened and the cell tissue got damaged but at the same time you balanced it out and stopped it from progressing. All before you knew what was going on.

I think the vinegar is working great at keeping the pH balanced but i do have a question for you. I know that you are boiling the water and reaching the desired pH, but are you testing it after bubbling and then feeding, or just pH testing before the bubble? I think that digital ph meter was a good investment. Its gonna come in handy I would test the pH before i water and check your run off numbers to to see if there is anything still going on.

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I'm confused FD, is the end of this post directed towards me? If so, I have not feed that plant at all as its in FFOF soil. I just give distilled water ph'd to 6.6 about every 4 days. So maybe I need lighter soil to start them in. I did just buy a bag of MG Organics choice and some perlite and I am considering just going to that as its much cheaper.

FullDuplex said:

I too think that it needs dialed back, if it started throwing pistils at 20/4 of light
i would say it was auto and needed to be left at that schedule
My guess was he was told to hit 12/12 because of lack of knowledge of autos
not on his part but from the source. Typical mistake really
Pistils=12/12 to non auto guys

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I'd agree.... hey, worst case you'll have a hella hermy on your hands! lol lots of fem seeds!

J

43Hitman said:

I'm confused FD, is the end of this post directed towards me? If so, I have not feed that plant at all as its in FFOF soil. I just give distilled water ph'd to 6.6 about every 4 days. So maybe I need lighter soil to start them in. I did just buy a bag of MG Organics choice and some perlite and I am considering just going to that as its much cheaper.

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nope working on your reply as we speak lol

John Mondello said:

I'd agree.... hey, worst case you'll have a hella hermy on your hands! lol lots of fem seeds!

J

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if he goes an hour a day it should prevent that ..... as they love any light schedule
just make changes easy and it wont stress em to much

FullDuplex said:

nope working on your reply as we speak lol

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Whew!

Wow.. Everyone seems a lil feisty this morning.

Well I did something incredibly stupid a week ago. I ordered a digital ph tester last wed and didn't realize that it would be shipping from Hong Kong. Projected time of delivery is late December, early January.... DOH! So I guess I will using my test solution still.

Harry Bald Sack said:

Wow.. Everyone seems a lil feisty this morning.

Well I did something incredibly stupid a week ago. I ordered a digital ph tester last wed and didn't realize that it would be shipping from Hong Kong. Projected time of delivery is late December, early January.... DOH! So I guess I will using my test solution still.

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BALLS! sorry to hear that... yes, we all are a little pissy today! lol but nothing a J won't fix! I think 'll smoke to that...!

I've made that mistake on ebay a few times.... 3 weeks seems like forever when you're waiting for a new tool (toy).

J

Harry Bald Sack said:

Wow.. Everyone seems a lil feisty this morning.

Well I did something incredibly stupid a week ago. I ordered a digital ph tester last wed and didn't realize that it would be shipping from Hong Kong. Projected time of delivery is late December, early January.... DOH! So I guess I will using my test solution still.

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I'm sorry man, I'm stoned so I found that pretty funny. Hope your shipment gets here soon. lol

43Hitman said:

In other news, freaking senate bill S510 passed yesterday, so growing your own food may become a crime now. Fuck em' they'll have to shoot me first.

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Me too my man ill be standing beside you on this one and the nation does too. this is something that if passes will absolutely KILL our nation and not to mention our human rights. its just immoral, i could go all day on this but i need to stop as it angers me more than anything.

You will notice that there is a discolored spot in pic 2. I don't think this is a problem but I really want to get ahead of it if becomes one. Thoughts? Calcium from a water droplet maybe? Other than that I think she is doing really well. She loves it when I put those CFL's close to her, for about two hours every evening she will lift those leave up trying to catch as many rays as possible. Do you guys notice the deformed leave in pic one and four? Is that normal? What causes that if it's not normal?

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I think that the spot is ok. Looks to me like a droplet burn, little bead is on there for a while and the light hits it causing the discoloration nothing serious there my friend. And about the leaf you should be just fine, had one last grow and one this grow like it. One thing is seems the ones with the leaf deformations kick ass when it comes to making buds My BB was like that and had a Budwider like it.
Now i have another BB like it. Its in the pics i posted last night, far back right plant.

@ FD, I put my FB(Fast Bud) and SD#2(Speed Devil #2) in the ground yesterday in their two tiered pot so we'll see how it goes. Yours look great by the way.

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Awesome, cant wait to see how yours do and thank you my friend

What wil the differnts be if I leave on 12/12 comparied to 18/6

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It will just take Longer m8...
But nothing to worry about..
I harvest on 12/12 all the time Outdoor.

i laughed out loud on this one, even lady D was like whats so funny?
i wont say a thing

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I always get the evil eye over the screen when I am sniggering...

i see two leafs that are a little damaged, but only one concerns me

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Cheers m8..........I was meaning for you to have a look at 43Hitmans leaf....
But..
I'm appreciating the info...

How much is that IOU now...

I thought the yellow was a bit singe at first...they are getting damn near the light.
I didn't notice the other leaf until the photo...
the cupboard is getting a bit Full.

Better now the BX is out..for a few days..

but this is usually signs of a ph fluctuation

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Could Well be...that is why I needed the more accurate ph meter.
My guage is a pool guage..only goes downto about 6.8...
so I'm having to guess it at a couple of shades lighter..
Maidens Water colour.

The Soil PH meter that I got for £7..$10..actually Will measure water PH..
I will test how accurate against the water one..and let you know.

From the Soil ph..reading of 7..higher than I thought.
It also has a light meter on...
my cupboard is registering at 850..and the natural light 200.

I don't boil the vinegar for the water buffering..that is just for the kettle.

It goes in cold....
I bubble...that way I know it is getting a good mix...
then I test.

I'll test my run off when I get my water meter....couple of days...

The compo is ph balanced...so I'm just wondering if they could have taken the hit when I gave first feed....
I'll check the feed plus water levels when it gets here too.

mossys said:

IF..a picture Paints a thousand words..then why can't I paint you.....
(Tell Salvalas..Kojak..just me then.........)

'Least I'm singing again...that IS Good news....isn't it...?.....

Here is your Thousand words....

Same genetic..same pheno...same grower...same age...

Big pot...Little pot.

Spot the cigarette lighter....

FullD..come closer to the screen..I have to whisper.....

If you say...
"It's next to the Yellow leaf Mossy"....

I'll be round to yours to sort you out.....

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What brown leaf? Kick their ass Mossy!

43Hitman said:

I'm sorry man, I'm stoned so I found that pretty funny. Hope your shipment gets here soon. lol

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Yeah this thing has been pretty entertaining this morning.

I could have swore that I looked to see where the tester was shipping from. I was pretty medicated that day and I looked at a bunch of different products.

btw... did my first real feed on the ladies last night... 1/4 tsp bat guano/ 1/2 tsp FF Tiger bloom, 1/2 tsp FF Root Drench, 4 tsp FF Big Bloom into 1.5 gal water... watered in evenly... responding well... wait till 6tommorrows pics... accelerating fast now!

Will it hurt the yield you think to stay 12/12.
this was at 31 days.

this is at 33 days still on 20/4.

This is why I think auto.
Thanks for your advise still not shure what i will do leave on 12/12 for know.