The Art of The Auto

John Mondello

Active Member
mornin FD
actually, by inverse square law... the further you go the faster you lose lumens / sq ft

like move twice the distance and power is quartered... so on and so fourth

so say ur using 400 hps... 45,000 lumens / 16 (4 ft dist) = 2812 lumens / sq ft (avg)

now of that... certain areas under the light will get more lumens than others (more directily in line with the path of the light )

inverse_square.jpg



see pic

J
 

John Mondello

Active Member
Ha ha..cheers...
I like chomping on the Dry stalks when I am cleaning the moms off...essence of girl...



#1 No mine were simply on very low light..spare bathroom....
#2 you see the trics go wiggly after about 4 days..then you are looking for balls...
#3 I would Prefer this method to codial silver...
but I'm just an Old Fashioned gardener..
I like things done Natural if possible..

I'm sure I have a bit info on it..I'll see if I can find it for you.
Wow... thats great info already! thanx... I'm not a fan of any chemicals in my shit either... PERIOD... I refuse to even use cloning solution for cloning... I have found that that root drench microbial (FF) is a great booster... seems to help spawn new roots fast... last clone set turned over from cutting to "established " in 2 weeks

I'd love any more info you have on this... have read an article somehwere once... but would rather get it from "The Breeder"

you see the trics go wiggly after about 4 days..then you are looking for balls...
"wiggy"? lol

:)
J
 

mossys

Active Member
and i see that the little heffer
still has a taste for the DC. See hard to kick that habbit
mmmm...little rat....

I am surprised at the size they are ALL coming off @....
IMO...the amendments have made them much more responsive to Everything you do with them.

I have some photos to show you of that male getting extreme trimmed..soon as I have time.

I Really hope it does the same for yours..
That Would be a sight to see....and I would love to see you Slam your record.

This is Stupid growth for 4 in an 8 inch pot..

 

John Mondello

Active Member
lol... yeah... watch out they might eat you !


mossers.. i also chew on my stems (love the "essence of my girls"....mmmmm) but smoking is adifferent and far less rewarding experience... just warning you in case you haven't tried it.. lol

J
 

FullDuplex

Well-Known Member
I am surprised at the size they are ALL coming off @....
IMO...the amendments have made them much more responsive to Everything you do with them.
It just lets you know that it works across the board. Im glad to see it has improved your grows as well my friend. This is a prime example of yin and yang.
Good genetics react to good treatment.

the size of those girls are what i get in a 6 and 8 in pot my friend i am really starting to think im gonna have a tough battle come cup time. Your plants are doing fantastic in those little pots.

I Really hope it does the same for yours..
That Would be a sight to see....and I would love to see you Slam your record.

This is Stupid growth for 4 in an 8 inch pot..
I hope so too and looking last night i think that i may just do that.
I was looking back at pics of the original JEM she pulled high 60's
and then the BW was the 74 gram beast.

But after looking last night ,i have not hit the 3week mark yet,
the ultra indy girl is way bigger than the JEM or BW was at 3 weeks.
the height, width, and side branching are all bigger at less than 3 weeks than the originals. Even the Bad Betty stands as tall as the ICU's do there going to be big girls.
 

John Mondello

Active Member
mossy... you have that light ph meter link handy still... gotta get me one o dem

FD... wher'd u get those ICU's those were what, No 2's?

J
 

Harry Bald Sack

Active Member
mmmm...little rat....

I am surprised at the size they are ALL coming off @....
IMO...the amendments have made them much more responsive to Everything you do with them.

I have some photos to show you of that male getting extreme trimmed..soon as I have time.

I Really hope it does the same for yours..
That Would be a sight to see....and I would love to see you Slam your record.

This is Stupid growth for 4 in an 8 inch pot..

Damn dude, She is a little monster.
 

FullDuplex

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FullD on page 201 added the new photo's you wanted :)
Took a trip back to take a look, this place is a mad house

After looking at them it looks to me that they could go another week or so.
Let most of the hairs die and recede back. Then you will be closer to the finish of the plant.
I still see a bunch of white hairs sticking out every where and the ones that have died back are still orange/yellow
this still allows you time to add weight to the harvest.

none the less they look fantastic and i bet you cant wait to test it out.
I would clip a small nugget at this point and fast dry it and test it
this will give you the best idea of where she stands right now.

have you got something to look at the trics yet?
 
I totally agree about autos. 2 months germinate to bud? Yes please thanks. Their yields are amazing, you get way more bud percentage on an auto plant and very long buds since the buds go almost entirely down the stem. I've gotten over 1.5g/watt using 0 nutes. What else is anyone looking for? Unless you're going big and tall with regulars- it seems you should an auto. In situations you can make a giant plant, obviously that will give you more yield but thats the only exception in my mind.

Stop by my(1 post complete chronicle veg to harvest) auto grow!

https://www.rollitup.org/cfl-growing/390510-some-words-autos-cfls.html
 

mossys

Active Member
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gardeners-Meter-pH-Light-Water/dp/B003F5Y8RI/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1291746299&sr=8-6

this is the one I got...
there is a cheaper one similar..but you pay more for delivery..
so it is worth checking a couple out.

It does Light level..moisture level....handy since I am an over-waterer..
soil AND water ph levels.

Not sure How accurate yet..my water and tablets guage reads slightly different..
But for the Money..
I Think it is Excellent...

no batteries required...

HBS..love the fact you have named them all....
sending Girl karma m8...

http://www.growlightuk.com/tabid/58/ProductID/24/Default.aspx

found them when I was rattling around as well...
looks to me as if the prices are starting to become more realistic..
 

FullDuplex

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Ok guys most have you have been in here for quite some time
and i know that most of you know that we have been testing
different kinds of methods as well as enhancements.

Lately there have been 2 that have really showed differences in
growth as well as plant health all together. one of them is my technique
of the added o2 to the water by bubbling it 24/7 and then balancing the water
at a certain pH. the other is where Mossy stepped in with the white wine vinegar
to correct not only pH but to remove high calcium content from the water.
Both of these have improved our grows tremendously. You can see the results all over the thread.

Now what i need from testers is this. If you are up for the challenge than you will need to first let me know and then tell me what application you will be testing if not both.

So what you will need to do is grow a girl out from start to finish with the amended water and o2 regimen. I will need you to keep track of your info as well as report back to me any changes that you see that are negative. I will be able to see the positive from most of the pics.

You can post your info here as we go along with the testing. I too will be part of this as i will be adding vinegar to my mix in the future to see if it does a better job than the chemical i have been using.

So if you are up to it let me know via PM that way i can keep track of everything and then well go from there. So if your interested let me know and lets get this show on the road.

FD
 

FullDuplex

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http://www.growlightuk.com/tabid/58/ProductID/24/Default.aspx

found them when I was rattling around as well...
looks to me as if the prices are starting to become more realistic..
these have really been grabbing my attention. LED's can be bright but i am worried about the penetration levels
i stopped by a new gas station the other day and they have replaced the canopy MH lights
with 14x14 LED panels. Each one had 14 rows of 14 lights andi have to say they were pretty bright
bright enough to the point where i asked the contractor where he got them.

I am hoping to find out more about the technology as next week
i am going to a LED seminar for work and i hope to see some of the up and coming LED applications
they are going to be coming out with. Work is sending me because were looking to change out lighting systems to be more green
but i am gonna benefit off of this two ways :)
 

nealcook420

Active Member
I just put a few Bluestreak x DieselRyder F3 in soil this morning, I'll try one of these methods I just need to go back in the thread a bit to figure out which method I'll be trying if not both.
 

FullDuplex

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I just put a few Bluestreak x DieselRyder F3 in soil this morning, I'll try one of these methods I just need to go back in the thread a bit to figure out which method I'll be trying if not both.
I can give you a break down on each if you'd like Neal

I may need to repost the info anyway for new comers.

Snap Shot

So i guess the first topic ill start on is a little secret of mine. This is available to everyone and the best part about it is that its free. It contains high levels of life sustaining minerals and can do magical things to your grow.

I know that several of you soil growers focus on using RO water or distilled water. Something that has not gone through the city treatment plant is usually ideal. Most of the chemicals, such as chlorine, can take a toll on our precious ladies. Not to mention the fact that it has a pH typically some where in the seven range. So with those two items in mind you can already see the issues with using water from the tap. Its almost as you have to revert it back to a natural state kind in the same fashion that RO does.

This is the main reason that i do not use tap water at all! I take too much pride and time into each and every plant i start to have them destroyed by attempting to give them what they need to survive. So i had to come to a solution in where i didn't have to go to the store all the time and purchase distilled or RO water. Or even worse sink more money into a RO system for the home. So i started doing what I know best and have done for years as a Veggie Gardner. I started harvesting rain water.

Now most of you may think that there isnt much that this stuff can do over RO water or distilled water but i beg to differ. Before you decide to skip to the next thread hear me out a little. I started using rain water on my plants about a year ago. There are a few things that i do to the water before feeding, and ill cover them, that help keep it balanced. First thing that I will tell you is that it falls at almost the ideal pH range for our ladies, coming in at anywhere from 5.0-6.0. Almost every ounce i have harvested has been right at 5.8-6.0, and i just add a buffer to the water to maintain the same pH level until that gallon is gone. Now this may vary form area to area based upon climate conditions and pollution, which results in acid rain, in the area.

When i was using RO water i would have to constantly monitor the pH, whether in soil or hydro, and most of the time i had to take it down like most of us do. This was a pain in the ass to me. There are already enough things that i have to monitor and look at that i didn't really need another and i had to find a solution to this to make it work like clock work. I wanted to be able to test the water at anytime and get the same results as i did the last time i checked levels and it be persistent. I tried a few things to develop a more balanced consistency in the water and with the RO this did not happen. Leading me to find something cheaper as well as more stable. This is when i began to place buckets out side and catch a little rain water and begin my testing.

First round went well, after collecting a little over a gallon of water i began my first set of tests. The water at that time came in at 5.9, so i decided not to buffer it and see how many days it took to balance out to 7. It took 5 days to come all the way back to 7. In my experience with RO water it was back to 7 in 2-3 days. So this cut some of the time i was spending checking levels in my water back. Then i decided to buffer the water to 6.0 with a solid pH up additive. After making this change to the water i was able to hold the water at 6 for over a week. This was great for me. I now could check the water once a week and know that i know its the correct pH. Mind you i am very obsessed with the pH of my water as i have learned it can destroy everything you have worked so hard for.

So with this new found access to free life essentials for my ladies i began pushing it further. I wanted to get as much out of what i had as well as keep it fresh and clean for my ladies. After a few more tests and placing a few theories into place i found a way to keep the water pH perfect and loaded with Oxygen for the entire time the water was being used. I typically prepare two gallons at a time as i keep a small grow most of the time. I am in this for two things, the joy of botany and personal consumption. I dont believe in making a profit off of something that God has given us free.

I have the advantage of having an additional fridge in my garage that is only being used for the freezer, so i had tons of room to store the water chilled. This was part of the process of keeping the water at good pH levels. Not only did this assist in keeping the pH levels right but it also prevented any bacteria that may be in the raw water from growing, so no disease. Once i began this i realized that over time of storage that the water would loose any oxygen that it had in it. I needed to find a way to keep it in there as i used the water for feeding. Now i usually feed every three days, unless the soil becomes dry before then, but with in those three days i know the levels of O were depleating and by the time i reached the end of the res the O levels had to be minimal if any. So i figured that i would give something a try that i knew kept another form of life alive for quite some time in water. This was the little tabs from Wal-mart you can get for your portable Minnow bucket Yes they sell little tablets that you can place in the water to keep O levels at peak for any reason, whether it be minnows, or in my case high levels of O for a special root system.

Now that time has passed i have this system in full operation with pumps now rather than placing a tab in the water every three days. So with the water being chilled, and Oxygen levels staying high i no longer have to buffer my water except for the time i place it into the "feed" res. Once in there it stays at 5.9 till the last drop, and ive tested that last drop lol. i have had amazing results using this method. Like i stated above i have had to purchase any water since, i have a few collectors out back now that catch and filter out the leaves and other garbage, and i have an unlimited supply for both my veggie garden as well as my "herb" garden.
 

\|/Joker420\|/

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for my next grow i want to out a few autos in the same tub, like a Rubbermaid tub of some sort. anyone done this? if so how many plants can u fit and in wat size tub?
 

Harry Bald Sack

Active Member
HBS..love the fact you have named them all....
sending Girl karma m8...
Thanks for the karma Mossy, It's been working so far ;) You might want to keep an eye out for Dana (DDR). She is more than double the size of my other autos @ 10 days. If she does auto flower she just might turn out to be a heavyweight champion.

I find it easier to refer to a plant if she has a name. Helps me keep track of which strain is which also.
 
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