the big bang mh vs hps during veg!!

Samwell Seed Well · Oct 6, 2011

Toolage 87 said:
ok if you want to compare a HPS lamp to your CFL bulb because they have the same spectrum the compare a 100w HPS lamp that has the same spectrum as your 100w CFL.

A 24w T-5 bulb may produce 4200 lumes but that's over the length of the whole bulb. Do the math and find out out many lumes per inch your 24w T-5 bulb puts out for the length then compare oh let me do it for you...

24w T5 bulb - 4200 lumes say its at 2 feet = 1w per inch at 175 lumes per inch
So the MH is about 2 inches wide from side to side so that would come out to 2 watts and 350 lumes what the T5 bulb would cover but lets say your running 2 of those T5s then that's 4 watts and 700 lumes in the same amount of space of 2 inches square so by that math the 70w MH can produce better growth in the same amount of space even a 35w MH produces more lumes per watt in the same amount of space.

Yes it may produce less lumes over the T5 but like I said the T5 bulb's lumes are spread out through the whole length of the tube and not in 1 spot.

Ok once agian i will reiterate your HPS bulb, doesnt have any advantage over a t-5 cfl bulb, and it cost more to run to produce less lumens, the comment about lumens an inch makes no sense, the size of the bulb doesnt mater you use the bulb in the most effcient way possible vert, horizontal what ever, but if you take shortcuts on the only thing that ensure your produce your just gonna be left wanting

you comparison ok

70watt HPS bulb produces one spectrum and 3000 watts or 6000lumans in your new internet example way to search and is tinny which means tiny plants which fine but it limits you

my t-5 lighitng ficture(95 bucks though) with three bulbs on is 72 watts and 12000 lumens and can light a 2ft plant or cover a 2ft area and get good yields, and be up to 4in away from bulb

you notice that nice white powder coating on you Hps bulb, thats make it a single spectrum, high cost cfl bulb waste your money if you want, on the 20 to 0z in the picture and im being generous

Toolage 87 · Oct 6, 2011

SSW I'm sorry but the numbers that I was telling you were't the exact numbers because the thing that they guy photocopied wasn't exactly the right one so here are the specs of my 70w MH and 70w HPS

Ok I'm sorry but the specs of my 70w MH lamp and 70w HPS lamp was wrong that I said and the mean rating of them I do believe is when they are around 40% of their life rating used but by the rule of thumb when 6 months hit when they say to replace your bulbs they are still in their initial life lume rating. Also my bulbs are glass with no coating thank you very much.

----- 70w MH -----
http://www.goodmart.com/products/sylvania-mp70-u-med-64547.htm
Approx. Lumens (initial): 5200
Approx. Lumens (mean): 3900
Color Temperature/CCT (K): 3000

----- 70w HPS -----
http://www.goodmart.com/products/sylvania-lu70-med-67504.htm
Approx. Lumens (initial): 6300
Approx. Lumens (mean): 5350
Color Temperature/CCT (K): 1900

This is what my HPS looks like and my MH has the same outer bulb no white coating. I was going to take a pic of my 70w MH bulb to but my camera battery is dead so I can charge it and take a pic and upload it just for you.

Samwell Seed Well · Oct 6, 2011

i love the links to other peoples grows, the asumptions are just hilarious, nice google pushup

as long as you buy the same things as he did you can do it too . .. . .. to funny

nice no white coating, lets see how many times are you going to go to the internet for more pics or information this is fun

Samwell Seed Well · Oct 6, 2011

Toolage 87 said:
Here's a link to a 35w HPS lamp specs but for some reason I can't find a 35w MH lamp specs even thought I know there's such thing because it looks almost like a HPS lamp but its sold at an electrical store where I live.

http://www.goodmart.com/products/sylvania-lu35-d-med-67501.htm

For those who don't want to click the link here's the specs that I pulled off that site

Abbrev. With Packaging Info.: LU35DMED 20/CS 1/SKU
ANSI Code: S76
Approx. Lumens (initial - horizontal): 2100
Approx. Lumens (initial - vertical): 2100
Approx. Lumens (mean - horizontal): 1935
Approx. Lumens (mean - vertical): 1935
Arc Length (in): 0.88
Arc Length (mm): 22
Average Rated Life - Horizontal (hr): 16000
Average Rated Life - Vertical (hr): 16000
Base: Medium
Bulb: E17
Color Rendering Index (CRI): 21
Color Temperature/CCT (K): 1900
Diameter (in): 2.125
Diameter (mm): 53
Family Brand Name: Lumalux
Fixture Requirement: O
Hot Restrike Time (min): 0.5-1
Individual Unit Weight (Pounds): 0.262
Lamp Finish: Coated
Light Center Length - LCL (in): 3 7/16
Light Center Length - LCL (mm): 87
Maximum Base Temperature C (F): 374
Maximum Bulb Temperature C (F): 752
Maximum Overall Length - MOL (in): 5 7/16
Maximum Overall Length - MOL (mm): 138
Nominal Wattage (W): 35
Operating Position: Universal
Ordering Abbreviation: LU35/D/MED
Warm-up Time (min): 2-4
http://highpressuresodium.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4_36&products_id=97

heres your original bulb what happened was their a recent shortage and you got shipped somthing else, or maybe it was the wrong link to begin with right

anyway nothing makes that little guy any better im assuming nut probably works great for your setup good luck

Toolage 87 · Oct 6, 2011

Samwell Seed Well said:
i love the links to other peoples grows, the asumptions are just hilarious, nice google pushup

as long as you buy the same things as he did you can do it too . .. . .. to funny

nice no white coating, lets see how many times are you going to go to the internet for more pics or information this is fun

If you look that pic is posted in my grow journal and my album if you look oh wait you won't look here let me make it easier for you

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/447478-toolage-87s-indoor-grow-garden-2.html there's a pic of both my HPS and MH I'll even do 1 better I'll charge my camera battery write my RIU name on a white peace of paper in black sharpie pen and I'll have it where my AeroGarden is since its the most up to date journal and I will take a pic of both the bulbs.

Samwell Seed Well said:
heres your original bulb what happened was their a recent shortage and you got shipped somthing else, or maybe it was the wrong link to begin with right

anyway nothing makes that little guy any better im assuming nut probably works great for your setup good luck

That's not my lamp. I was saying that MH and HPS lights can get as low as 35w and I pulled that up for you and others to prove they come that low. Also I never order any thing online. It was the guy at the electrical place that didn't print out a full detailed specs of it and I wanted to know what the specs are exactly so I searched the Product name that is printed on the bulb its self.

sso · Oct 6, 2011

in my experience, you would grow more with similar amount of t5 over 70w hps (70w t5 vs 70whps)

but only because the t5´s cover more area and allow more plants. in budsize the hps has the t5 easily beat.

though im curious about that thread on t´5 and aquarium speciality lights (t5 lights that only produce spectrum perfectly suited for plants)
normal t5´s have got a shit load of Green.

Toolage 87 · Oct 6, 2011

sso said:
in my experience, you would grow more with similar amount of t5 over 70w hps (70w t5 vs 70w hps)

but only because the t5´s cover more area and allow more plants. in budsize the hps has the t5 easily beat.

Exactly but in the small 1square foot area that a MH can cover in veg the plants can out grow faster then what a T5 can do in that 1 square foot area but the T5 can cover more area if its a 2 foot due to it being able to cover more area. But in flowering and veg you can have the tops of the plants about 3 to 4 inches maybe 5 inches from the lamp its self. with out hurting them. I've had the tops of my plants almost right at the level that the bottom of the dome is with out burning my plants and when flowering being able to get a HPS or MH that close to the tops with out having to use a cool tube or air cooled hood is a huge bonus.

sso said:
though im curious about that thread on t´5 and aquarium speciality lights (t5 lights that only produce spectrum perfectly suited for plants)
normal t5´s have got a shit load of Green.

I am do but the wattage for the amount of area they take up to use is the question to.

Toolage 87 · Oct 6, 2011

Samwell Seed Well said:
i love the links to other peoples grows, the asumptions are just hilarious, nice google pushup

as long as you buy the same things as he did you can do it too . .. . .. to funny

nice no white coating, lets see how many times are you going to go to the internet for more pics or information this is fun

Ok here's proof that I have 70w HPS and MH bulbs that are clear glass no white coating of any kind

toolage-87-355602-albums-supplies-hardware-picture1822595-1.jpg

toolage-87-355602-albums-supplies-hardware-picture1822582-2.jpg

toolage-87-355602-albums-supplies-hardware-picture1822575-3.jpg

Oh what's that product number that's on my non white coated 70w MH Bulb? UMP/U/Med

Oh what's the product number for the 70w MH lamp on the site that I linked you to?
Product Name: MP70/U/MED

Abbrev. With Packaging Info.: MP70UMED 20/CS 1/SKU
ANSI Code: M98
Approx. Lumens (initial - horizontal): 5200
Approx. Lumens (initial - vertical): 5200
Approx. Lumens (mean - horizontal): 3900
Approx. Lumens (mean - vertical): 3900
Arc Length (in): 0.37
Arc Length (mm): 9.5
Average Rated Life - Horizontal (hr): 10000
Average Rated Life - Vertical (hr): 15000
Base: Medium
Bulb: E17
Color Rendering Index (CRI): 75
Color Temperature/CCT (K): 3000
Diameter (in): 2.125
Diameter (mm): 53
Family Brand Name: Metalarc Pro-Tech
Fixture Requirement: O
Hot Restrike Time (min): 5-10
Individual Unit Weight (Pounds): 0.287
Lamp Finish: Clear
Light Center Length - LCL (in): 3 13/32
Light Center Length - LCL (mm): 86
Maximum Base Temperature C (F): 374
Maximum Bulb Temperature C (F): 662
Maximum Overall Length - MOL (in): 5 7/16
Maximum Overall Length - MOL (mm): 138
Nominal Wattage (W): 70
Operating Position: Universal
Ordering Abbreviation: MP70/U/MED
Value Added Product: YES
Warm-up Time (min): 2-4

Now here's the even funner part

toolage-87-355602-albums-supplies-hardware-picture1822570-4.jpg

LU70/MED number that is printed on my 70w HPS lamp

Oh what's the product name on that site that I linked you to of a 70w HPS light with the Product code of LU70/MED
http://www.goodmart.com/products/sylvania-lu70-med-67504.htm

The product number of my 70w HPS bulb matches their site and its the exact same brand and the specs are

Abbrev. With Packaging Info.: LU70MED 20/CS 1/SKU
ANSI Code: S62
Approx. Lumens (initial - horizontal): 6300
Approx. Lumens (initial - vertical): 6300
Approx. Lumens (mean - horizontal): 5350
Approx. Lumens (mean - vertical): 5350
Arc Length (in): 1.11
Arc Length (mm): 28
Average Rated Life - Horizontal (hr): 24000
Average Rated Life - Vertical (hr): 24000
Base: Medium
Bulb: E17
Color Rendering Index (CRI): 21
Color Temperature/CCT (K): 1900
Diameter (in): 2.125
Diameter (mm): 53
Family Brand Name: Lumalux
Fixture Requirement: O
Hot Restrike Time (min): 0.5-1
Individual Unit Weight (Pounds): 0.251
Lamp Finish: Clear
Light Center Length - LCL (in): 3 7/16
Light Center Length - LCL (mm): 87
Maximum Base Temperature C (F): 374
Maximum Bulb Temperature C (F): 752
Maximum Overall Length - MOL (in): 5 7/16
Maximum Overall Length - MOL (mm): 138
Nominal Wattage (W): 70
Operating Position: Universal
Ordering Abbreviation: LU70/MED
Warm-up Time (min): 2-4

So there proof now take your little attitude and labeling someone more or less full of crap and using google to get pics witch if you would have looked at my Album or posts that I have done you would have seen that it wasn't googled and taken off someone's journal besides the pics I took and posted my self.

Just a little even more fun here's the lumes per watt my lights put out
MH - 5200 lumes / 70w = 74.28 lumes per watt
HPS - 6300 lumes / 70w = 90 lumes per watt

I did a little rough searching and found 2 different K rated 125w CFLs and here's link and specs of each

----- Feliz Blue 901981 | 125W CFL Grow | 6500K Light Bulb | Mogul 5U -----
http://www.expresslightbulbs.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=682_8_115_138_601&products_id=1439
Lumes - 5,000 , Watts 125
5000 lumes / 125w = 40 lumes per watt
With only a 10k hour life rating
6500k

----- Feliz Red 901991 | 125W CFL Grow | 2700K Light Bulb | Mogul 5U -----
http://www.expresslightbulbs.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=682_8_115_138_600&products_id=1438
Lumes - 5,000 , Watts 125
5000 lumes / 125w = 40 lumes per watt
With only a 10k hour life rating
2700k

cocakola · Oct 8, 2011

Nice come back Toolage , this thread has been very interesting I am a newb but have been gathering info for the last 4months and started an indoor hydro grow. Debates like this are real informative cause both parties share their experiences and knowledge good or bad which is a real help to newb's like me. Thanks guy/gals!

p.s look out for my grow journal(once I learn how to upload pics) im using a 600w mh for veg and a 600w hps for veg in a superponics syytem, using gh flora 3pt + additives , got trainwreck , himalayan gold , cheesy dick and vk.

Do not believe a word I say nor the pics I post , they are all someone elses words and pics I am only a fan!

Toolage 87 · Oct 8, 2011

cocakola said:
Nice come back Toolage , this thread has been very interesting I am a newb but have been gathering info for the last 4months and started an indoor hydro grow. Debates like this are real informative cause both parties share their experiences and knowledge good or bad which is a real help to newb's like me. Thanks guy/gals!

There are alot of threads that are going on. Like another one that I posted in Generator for powering a room, I some research on what a gas powered and a natural gas powered generator cost to buy, cost for fuel every day/month and roughly how long of a life span they have vs the cost of solar vs the cost of wind.

unohu69 · Oct 11, 2011

any idea if this bulb will do any good in a pc grow?

http://www.lightingsupply.com/c100s54-m.aspx

Just happens to be what I have, i already mounted the ballast assembly in the old power supply housing and have the socket wired in.
Im gonna start a temp test in a few min. just to see what its gonna max out at. i will try to enclose the light above glass, hopefully isolating temps a little bit.

Ideally I want to use a 125 or 250 cfl, but this is what i have right now, and worst case i enclosed my hps ballast in a fan coled container.

Toolage 87 · Oct 11, 2011

unohu69 said:
any idea if this bulb will do any good in a pc grow?

http://www.lightingsupply.com/c100s54-m.aspx

Just happens to be what I have, i already mounted the ballast assembly in the old power supply housing and have the socket wired in.
Im gonna start a temp test in a few min. just to see what its gonna max out at. i will try to enclose the light above glass, hopefully isolating temps a little bit.

Ideally I want to use a 125 or 250 cfl, but this is what i have right now, and worst case i enclosed my hps ballast in a fan coled container.

Hey. That lamp looks good to me. You might be better off using that instead of buying a 125w CFL. As for the 250 if that 100w HPS lamp that you have right now has better specs stick with your HPS if you can find a HPS lower wattage then the 250w CFL then go with that.

unohu69 · Oct 11, 2011

Thanx. +re 4 u

Dwezelitsame · Oct 11, 2011

i use 2 x 250w in my 39 inch square tent and they work fine for me
i thnk a lot has to do with the bulb - use a cmh (i like bettern mh) by philips better penetration then t5-and hps by eyehortilux
i use them all the time 500w of multy spectrum

mh or cmh best out for veg -great growth less stretch

mh,cmh-best for first 1/3 of flower reduces stretch
hps- the best at second 1/3 of flower producing rock hard buds
mh,cmh best for final 1/3 bud fatten up

i use flouresent tube first two weeks when on water
then third week food and cfls till flower if tent in use if not in use i use my cmh
for flower i use both my cmh and hps i spin pots 1/4 turn every day and rottepositioning under lights once a week
i add uvb for 1 1/2 hour a dy mid day after about week 3 or 4

luck to all

Dwezelitsame · Oct 11, 2011

all of our situations,setups,lights,nutes and plants are different

do whats best for you and your setup not what the next guy says
cause what he is saying is about his setup and what works for him
so walk wit dis
if yo setup not da same as his dont do what he says
listen be thankful to him- then do whats best for you and yours

ther is truly only
1Luv

.

Kenny1234 · Oct 11, 2011

I don't get the whole rep thing? D u have to be a mderator to give someone a rep or u just have to have like a certain amount of posts?

unohu69 · Oct 13, 2011

Kenny1234 said:
I don't get the whole rep thing? D u have to be a moderator to give someone a rep or u just have to have like a certain amount of posts?

look at the bottom of my post, it says "journal this post" a " * " and " hmmn no triangle key). the star lookin thing if clicked on will add rep to a user. its kinda like if you click "like" on a post, but counted differently.

Samwell Seed Well · Oct 13, 2011

Toolage 87 said:
If you look that pic is posted in my grow journal and my album if you look oh wait you won't look here let me make it easier for you

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/447478-toolage-87s-indoor-grow-garden-2.html there's a pic of both my HPS and MH I'll even do 1 better I'll charge my camera battery write my RIU name on a white peace of paper in black sharpie pen and I'll have it where my AeroGarden is since its the most up to date journal and I will take a pic of both the bulbs.

That's not my lamp. I was saying that MH and HPS lights can get as low as 35w and I pulled that up for you and others to prove they come that low. Also I never order any thing online. It was the guy at the electrical place that didn't print out a full detailed specs of it and I wanted to know what the specs are exactly so I searched the Product name that is printed on the bulb its self.

just checked out your failed grow, I bet you think its normal for 4in of growth in a month and half id love to see the next grow

heres my vert

but in the end it is what works and im sure it will grow you bud you will love to smoke

good luck with your grow pal

djblowens · Oct 27, 2011

The reason people use hps over mh is it puts out more lumens some of the top breeders out there only use hps I'm doing a grow now using only hps and my plants grew huge short nodes and the plants just plain love it plus my plants get 125 watts per sq ft hope this helps

the big bang mh vs hps during veg!!

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