The Big Budz (Aurora Indica & Urban poison) Journal

So a bunch has happened, both good and bad. Two of my clones are doing pretty ok (thanks to ZENMANSTER ) if i take either of them out of their bags they dry up FAST though.

My roomates BITCH OF A CAT got in my veg closet and laid on my plants under the light so I spent the better part of my morning cleaning, straightening them up and attempting to do some LST (what do you think of my first try?)

I know its a little to early but what do you guys think about yield? There will be 4 plants of each strain going into flowering sooooooo do you think I can get away with 2 ozs per plant?

My plants aren't as GREEN and shiny as most of other peoples pictures, anyone have any suggestions? they get plenty of nitrogen in their nutes.

Fred LOOKS LIKE SHIT I know I know..... im doing everything I can, hopefully the damage will level out here soon.

klassenkid said:

that bitch!! lol jk. Yeah Northern lights I know is an amazing strain, lots of it up here in the canadian borders.

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dude the first time I ever smoked I had a good friend help me pick out some good weed (he made me spend a lot of dough though). I bought a half ounce of Northern Lights and binge smoked all of that shit for 4 days straight and have been seriously in love with weed ever since (and obviously NL hold a special place) Im jealous of you though! Canada is the new mecca of potency and gorgeous cannabis.

p.s. HERE IS THE BITCH THAT TRIED TO FUCK WITH MY PLANTS (with an especially bitch look on her face)

ZEN MASTER said:

well first, is that what genarally works for you? because those rapid rooters only call for regular water. so that may be it. me myself i just bought some rapid rooter plugs, just to see if they are better than rockwool. but my rock solid standard is a dixie cup of coco, with the A-B mixed very lightly, 1/4 teaspoon(that's about 1.2ml) of each in a 1 liter soda bottle. that's what works for me. and in all honesty in the past two and a half years i've probably lost seven or eight clones. but that is only because i found a system that works for me. but yea "I" think that in the beginning you should subject your clone to as "little" nutes as possible.
hey man get you a cup put, some holes in the bottom, fill it with the dirt mix you are using to grow right now, put your clone in it, water it with regular water, put it under your lights and "Go Speed Racer Go".LOL. naw man, i figure you already know that much. just wanted to remind you that sometimes less is more.

P.S. i hope i have some success with these rapid rooters, i'll keep track in my next journal.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

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I took 5 clones and 2 of them are alive. One is in the hydro thing and the other is in plain soil. thanks dude, I was gonna kill them all the way I was going

Clones looking good mate (especially compared to my clones at the mo), not sure about Fred though....

With the LST I would suggest topping them first (or fimming) then you get extra main branches then LST these, and you will have a big fat bushy affair going on with loads of bud sites......(I have only done it to my last grow so can't tell if you have done it too early or not...) Good luck with it.

damnbigbudz said:

I took 5 clones and 2 of them are alive. One is in the hydro thing and the other is in plain soil. thanks dude, I was gonna kill them all the way I was going

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that's awesome man. but which ones died. were they in the hydro thing or in soil? just curious. hey your plants look great. man don't worry about them being shiny right now, they are still young. and i do believe that, i'm not sure, but i think it might depend a little on the strain. i don't know. but hey as long as it's some excellent smoke i don't care. you know what i mean. sorry but i'm probably the last person to try to give pointers about LTSing and FIMming. looks like fred has a few new leaves sprouting out.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

Fred has bud sites! I swear these weren't here before the lights went out yesterday. I raised the light up to around 33 inches cause I dont want to be burning those things

ok I know it is wrong to feed rumors but I have found tid bits here and there around the internet that say that HPS isnt better than MH just different. Because MH puts out UV and that is really good for trichome production, so HPS may give bigger buds but they arent as "ripe" or well developed as MH. I am currently researching this and would appreciate any info if someone has it.

good thing I got a switchable ballast though

damnbigbudz said:

Fred has bud sites! I swear these weren't here before the lights went out yesterday. I raised the light up to around 33 inches cause I dont want to be burning those things

ok I know it is wrong to feed rumors but I have found tid bits here and there around the internet that say that HPS isnt better than MH just different. Because MH puts out UV and that is really good for trichome production, so HPS may give bigger buds but they arent as "ripe" or well developed as MH. I am currently researching this and would appreciate any info if someone has it.

good thing I got a switchable ballast though

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first off, congrats on fred!!!

hey dude if you want to know how far to have your light from your plant, just put your hand under the light, palm down. raise it closer to the light when you get to point where your hand is close enough to the light where you could possibly leave it there all day, then that is how close you can lower the light above the plant. in other words if it's too hot for you, then it's too hot for the plant.


now as far as the mh vs. hps debate, i have grown crops from veg to flower with hps and had very good results, but since i was able to get the lights i wanted, now i veg with mh, and flower with hps. let's remember the natural progression of the seasons.when you plant in the spring that is the vegetative part of the life cycle, and the sun is emitting more of a white/blue light(MH), which has a kelvin color of 5000K-6500K and up. that is optimal lighting for growth. now as the summer ends and the fall begins the color of the sun is emitting a more orange/red light(HPS) which generally has a kelvin color of 2200K-2400K(i believe) which is optimal for flowering because that is what blooms, fattens, and ripens those buds, and has them compact, tight, and hard. hey if you already know this then just bare with me.

Now you can veg and flower with a MH light, and this is what i have actually seen with my own eyes, but your buds are more than likely going to be fluffy, airy, not compact at all, a lower yield(wet and especially dried) and we don't want that right. well my two friends that started that way swore i was using some additive to make my buds tighter, and fatter in comparison, were content with what they got from it, and always raved about their yeilds. until they got a hps. and i'll bet you that most of the people that are saying that mh light is the way to go from start to end, probaly haven't even used a hps to flower. and i say that because everyone i know that tried it with an hps, never went back. wow this is pretty long, sorry dude. but as i was saying, earlier i am trying to mimic nature, not tweek it, but that's just me ok. so i'm gonna go, but before i leave i just want to say you can try it if you like, but in "MY OPINION" i think you might be dissapointed, and on the flip side it may be the shit for you.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

What is wrong with these plants? It seems like a couple deficiencies but it could also be over watering. Finding the right problem and fixing it seems like the hardest part of growing



it is only the sativas is the funny part....... the indicas are doing AWESOME


HELP PLEASE!!!!

damnbigbudz said:

What is wrong with these plants? It seems like a couple deficiencies but it could also be over watering. Finding the right problem and fixing it seems like the hardest part of growing



it is only the sativas is the funny part....... the indicas are doing AWESOME


HELP PLEASE!!!!

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Are you spraying/misting them with the lights on?

The tips look like maybe the beginning of nute burn? Or it could be cause of burn from the droplets of water being on the tips of the leaves with the lights on (that's if you are spraying/misting them)

Burn on!

damnbigbudz said:

What is wrong with these plants? It seems like a couple deficiencies but it could also be over watering. Finding the right problem and fixing it seems like the hardest part of growing



it is only the sativas is the funny part....... the indicas are doing AWESOME


HELP PLEASE!!!!

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lighten up on your nutes. maybe use 20%-25% strength.

Hey guys thats exactly what is needed. I completely overlooked that when I started, I thought it was just something organic growers do cause they feel bad for using nutes. But the MJ plant actually NEEDS lower nutes CAUSE IT BURNS SUPER EASY. .whew.

So from now on im using half to less than half strength every other watering. Not much in the way of reporting, I transplanted the fred clone into some soil cause he was doing so well.

I do have an interesting question though.....

http://www.plant-care.com/beta-fish-plants.html

Can you grow an MJ plant in nothing but plain ph'd water and a beta fish? I think I am going to try it on one of my clones I dont need.

damnbigbudz said:

Hey guys thats exactly what is needed. I completely overlooked that when I started, I thought it was just something organic growers do cause they feel bad for using nutes. But the MJ plant actually NEEDS lower nutes CAUSE IT BURNS SUPER EASY. .whew.

So from now on im using half to less than half strength every other watering. Not much in the way of reporting, I transplanted the fred clone into some soil cause he was doing so well.

I do have an interesting question though.....

http://www.plant-care.com/beta-fish-plants.html

Can you grow an MJ plant in nothing but plain ph'd water and a beta fish? I think I am going to try it on one of my clones I dont need.

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that's all good my friend, but remember those plants can take a thousand pounds of nutes,but you have to work it up to a thousand pounds. right now i'm at full strength with my nutes. but i startred with like 20%-25% nutes,(check my feeding chart in my journal on post #43 i believe) but yea man by the 5th week i'm at full strength. so yea you are right they do burn super easy, but if build them up they can take a whole lot, also i must stress it depends according to the nutes you are using whether you build them up fast or slow. me i can go pretty fast. but hey it's a learnig process. it took me almost a little over a year, doing back to back crops, to get my system down. so i know you may be a little gun shy right now,but don't be scared to give ya babies what they need, when they need it. and last but not least, until you get you way down packed don't forget to record your information so you can always go back and reference. trust me it will save you some valuable time in the beginning by not accidentally having an accident. and as always if this is something you already know, i don't mean any harm, and i'm not trying to "SCHOOL" you. just my two cents. but anyway, glad you got that situation handled. ZEN out!


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

ZEN MASTER said:

that's all good my friend, but remember those plants can take a thousand pounds of nutes,but you have to work it up to a thousand pounds. right now i'm at full strength with my nutes. but i startred with like 20%-25% nutes,(check my feeding chart in my journal on post #43 i believe) but yea man by the 5th week i'm at full strength. so yea you are right they do burn super easy, but if build them up they can take a whole lot, also i must stress it depends according to the nutes you are using whether you build them up fast or slow. me i can go pretty fast. but hey it's a learnig process. it took me almost a little over a year, doing back to back crops, to get my system down. so i know you may be a little gun shy right now,but don't be scared to give ya babies what they need, when they need it. and last but not least, until you get you way down packed don't forget to record your information so you can always go back and reference. trust me it will save you some valuable time in the beginning by not accidentally having an accident. and as always if this is something you already know, i don't mean any harm, and i'm not trying to "SCHOOL" you. just my two cents. but anyway, glad you got that situation handled. ZEN out!


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

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Any and all advice is welcome anytime!

SO!!! for anyone out there watching I apologize for the lack of updates but vegetative growth IS BORING.

I couldn't keep the growth of the urban poisons under control so 2 of them are in the flowering tent along with a healthy dose of bushmaster. This damn strain is a fickle bitch that has given me 3 different deficiencies and most of them have barely survives BUT the ones that have made it look awesome.

I also took 4 UP clones from those 2 and they look to be doing fine.
I hope for a mid January harvest of 1 pound, wish me luck!. I will update more often as the flowering room becomes more interesting.


pic 1-2 The 2 up's in the flowering tent
pic 3-4 Update of the veg room

Wow nice start!! I wanted to check out your grow too man! Can you handle the heat of a 1000W in that tent bro? I bet there is quite a bit of heat to get rid of with that many watts

SpaceGhost69 said:

Wow nice start!! I wanted to check out your grow too man! Can you handle the heat of a 1000W in that tent bro? I bet there is quite a bit of heat to get rid of with that many watts

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at first no I didn't take into account that point exactly. I actually almost tanked the whole grow cause my room was 95+ degrees. I eventually ate the bullet and cut a hole in the ceiling and now it chill at 80. do you think that's good?

damnbigbudz said:

at first no I didn't take into account that point exactly. I actually almost tanked the whole grow cause my room was 95+ degrees. I eventually ate the bullet and cut a hole in the ceiling and now it chill at 80. do you think that's good?

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80 works, Ideally you'd want 75-78 day time, 65-68 night time temps.

Just make sure to have a lot of air moving around to they are not just cooking under dead heat.


Burn on!

Yes 80F should be fine. It's perfect if your running C02. Typically your room can be a little warmer if you're running it. Good advise from Twils. Keeping a steady air flow will help.

GET THIS SHIT. I finally got my temps under control and have a max temp of 77 degrees. BUT trying to survive on a shitty unemployment check and pay bills in a large house that I rent for too much by myself TO GROW AWESOME WEED has finally completely drained my savings and has thrown me a lot closer to the wolves then I prefer to be.

SO WHAT THE FUCK DO I DO? my plants just started flowering. I could wait to move but everything both where I live now and where Im going has panned out gently enough for me to consider taking down this beautiful set-up that I just spent 6 months researching and putting together.

kepe the plants as long as possible to mooving day and then have evrything setup at the new place and make it quick

BUT. I cant sleep, I'm stuck at my girlfriends parents house with no weed and my desperation has mated with my creativity.

What if I......

1. Went to goodwill or something and bought a pretty big dresser (because where I am moving does not have a discrete place for my 4x8x7 tent and my 1000watt hps) and bolted some strong ass casters on it (so it ROLLS durrrrrrrrrrrr)

2. The dressers I have looked at have about 4 feet of vertical room inside....
2x5x4

3. fuckin rig up my 1k light inside that bitch in its cool tube and its proper ducting and SCROG those girlies all night long?

4. I apologize for the lack of grammar and dirty language in numeral 3.
Uncalled for? yes...... (but it felt good)


That's what she said.



5. Place all holes for ventilation in the back and roll durrrrrr that thing over to the wall.


CONCERNS

A. That maybe that 1k EVEN cool-tubed may put off to much heat for that small space.

B. Noise from my 435 cfm fans pushing air in and out?

I have that carbon filter in my room that I will have to hook up beside the dresser cause I cant vent into the attic anymore (obviously that would have to be disguised as well.

If I am scrogging and the 1k is at least 24 inches away do you thing I could do it? if anyone has done something like this PLEASE scream advice at me......


DBB