The Daily Nugg,

i think at each stage of the cloning process you do lose a little of the genetic makeup. Going from mother, to sister, to aunt, in each stage you do lose a little of the genetic coding is my best guess. When i did clones a long time ago i noticed each plant was different is some varaitions and also in the form. Like u you looked at a true mother plant, and then you wanted another mother plant.....those to plants would be completely different in there make up...

dunno if that makes an sense

curious2garden said:

I agree. This is business, there should be reserves or insurance.

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I had to chuckle a bit this morning when I came down to find my aero cloner unplugged.

I thought "Look karma I'm not a total fucking asshole, if someone asks me for help I'll generally do what I can"

But I guess the crux of my thoughts on the issue are that if they made a proper business plan the are likely to rise from the ashes and be better for it, specially if they don't rely on the generosity of others or feel slighted when they don't receive it.

I truely wish them the best, this is merely one of the many challenges they will face going forward.

BTW, I think the clones will make it, if they don't I've got the leftovers from taking cuts, they are all mixed in one glass of water tho.

Gotta go find that pool shock recipe now tho, I know it's here somewhere, can't rember who shared it @tyler.durden ? @Chunky Stool ?

Make at least a gallon or so, you use quite a bit.

SSGrower said:

I had to chuckle a bit this morning when I came down to find my aero cloner unplugged.

I thought "Look karma I'm not a total fucking asshole, if someone asks me for help I'll generally do what I can"

But I guess the crux of my thoughts on the issue are that if they made a proper business plan the are likely to rise from the ashes and be better for it, specially if they don't rely on the generosity of others or feel slighted when they don't receive it.

I truely wish them the best, this is merely one of the many challenges they will face going forward.

BTW, I think the clones will make it, if they don't I've got the leftovers from taking cuts, they are all mixed in one glass of water tho.
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Gotta go find that pool shock recipe now tho, I know it's here somewhere, can't rember who shared it @tyler.durden ? @Chunky Stool ?

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I feel your pain, bro. I keep a lot of extra cuts just in case I fuck things up, and I keep them in cups of water that aren't labeled, so I'm not sure which are which. I've only had to use the back up cuts about 3 times in a decade, so not too bad for a stoner -

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I use 2 grams of 73% calcium hypochlorite (pool shock) per gallon to make the solution. I then add about 20-30ml of that to my 3 gallon cloner rez every 2-3 days...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00WLWMM06/ref=psdc_1272967011_t3_B009S85LEA

I purchased six pounds, so I'll never run out. Crazy roots always pearly white...





Looks like we have the same cloner. Humidity domes are generally discouraged when aero cloning, some even say it lessens the success rate...

SSGrower said:

I had to chuckle a bit this morning when I came down to find my aero cloner unplugged.

I thought "Look karma I'm not a total fucking asshole, if someone asks me for help I'll generally do what I can"

But I guess the crux of my thoughts on the issue are that if they made a proper business plan the are likely to rise from the ashes and be better for it, specially if they don't rely on the generosity of others or feel slighted when they don't receive it.

I truely wish them the best, this is merely one of the many challenges they will face going forward.

BTW, I think the clones will make it, if they don't I've got the leftovers from taking cuts, they are all mixed in one glass of water tho.
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Gotta go find that pool shock recipe now tho, I know it's here somewhere, can't rember who shared it @tyler.durden ? @Chunky Stool ?

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Sorry, wasn't me.
But I need to make a real cloner one of these days. Got a big one with a pump but have never needed 60 clones, so I just do the dome and heat pad.
Works well most of the time, but when it doesn't work for whatever reason, it's a total loss.

tyler.durden said:

I feel your pain, bro. I keep a lot of extra cuts just in case I fuck things up, and I keep them in cups of water that aren't labeled, so I'm not sure which are which. I've only had to use the back up cuts about 3 times in a decade, so not too bad for a stoner -

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I use 2 grams of 73% calcium hypochlorite (pool shock) per gallon to make the solution. I then add about 20-30ml of that to my 3 gallon cloner rez every 2-3 days...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00WLWMM06/ref=psdc_1272967011_t3_B009S85LEA

I purchased six pounds, so I'll never run out. Crazy roots always pearly white...

Looks like we have the same cloner. Humidity domes are generally discouraged when aero cloning, some even say it lessens the success rate...

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This is the 3rd go with the cloner, previously I have not used a dome but my rh is low so I figured I would give this a try. I think it saved my skin with this fu tbh.
I had good results first time, changed water 4 times over 2.5 weeks or so, second time only changed water twice, lost probably half.
Thanks for the recipe, am I the only one that finds it odd empty gel caps are frequently purchased with pool shock?

SSGrower said:

This is the 3rd go with the cloner, previously I have not used a dome but my rh is low so I figured I would give this a try. I think it saved my skin with this fu tbh.
I had good results first time, changed water 4 times over 2.5 weeks or so, second time only changed water twice, lost probably half.
Thanks for the recipe, am I the only one that finds it odd empty gel caps are frequently purchased with pool shock?

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Do you keep your cloner's pump going constantly, or on a timer? What is your cloner water temp? If not using a sterilizing agent, the water needs to be no higher than 70f or so. With the hypochlorite, warmer water can actually hasten the rooting process.

I use one of these every cloner run -

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01C6PE4G2/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

They work really well with our cloner...

i've got a cyclic timer on my aero cloner, 1 minute on, 4 minutes off. the water stays a lot cooler that way.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

i've got a cyclic timer on my aero cloner, 1 minute on, 4 minutes off. the water stays a lot cooler that way.

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What type/brand? thanks

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07D7WCT75/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
i've had two of them running over two years now. one runs the cloner, one runs an ozone generator a couple of minutes twice a day. i bought four, still have the other two in the box, waiting for one of these to die.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07D7WCT75/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
i've had two of them running over two years now. one runs the cloner, one runs an ozone generator a couple of minutes twice a day. i bought four, still have the other two in the box, waiting for one of these to die.

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Perfect, many thanks. I couldn't find a reasonably priced one that gave me the small increment control I need

tyler.durden said:

Do you keep your cloner's pump going constantly, or on a timer? What is your cloner water temp? If not using a sterilizing agent, the water needs to be no higher than 70f or so. With the hypochlorite, warmer water can actually hasten the rooting process.

I use one of these every cloner run -

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01C6PE4G2/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

They work really well with our cloner...

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I am only recently becoming less ambivalent about cloning, yeah water temps in excess of 70F, don't flog me they are 84F.
Tried the timer on the first use only have one w/15 min interval controlled temps but they were wilting.

I was thinking my hot tub shock was hypochlorite, but that my have been before I switched to bromine tabs, it's shocked with a sulfate or sulphite.

A wort chiller was another option but changing the water every 5 days wins this time for simplicity. I'll get some of the chloride on hand for next time tho, thanks for all the help.

tyler.durden said:

I feel your pain, bro. I keep a lot of extra cuts just in case I fuck things up, and I keep them in cups of water that aren't labeled, so I'm not sure which are which. I've only had to use the back up cuts about 3 times in a decade, so not too bad for a stoner -

Post #3970


I use 2 grams of 73% calcium hypochlorite (pool shock) per gallon to make the solution. I then add about 20-30ml of that to my 3 gallon cloner rez every 2-3 days...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00WLWMM06/ref=psdc_1272967011_t3_B009S85LEA

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For people in metric land, you use about 100ml per 50 litres.

If you need lots of clones with an aerocloner just put like 4 in every site. I do it often... I use two buckets with 24 holes between them, I'll easily stick 60 clones in there.

I'm back to cloning in rockwool, as our electricity supply is too erratic. Aero clones die after a few rounds of missed waterings.

ANC said:

For people in metric land, you use about 100ml per 50 litres.

If you need lots of clones with an aerocloner just put like 4 in every site. I do it often... I use two buckets with 24 holes between them, I'll easily stick 60 clones in there.

I'm back to cloning in rockwool, as our electricity supply is too erratic. Aero clones die after a few rounds of missed waterings.

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I have three 36 site aero cloners. Usually, only one is in use. I only need 22 clones every two weeks, so sometimes I cull the remainder, and sometimes I plant them in perlite filled cups and put them under a T5. When making new moms I fill two cloners for 72 cuttings, because I know it will be about a month before the new moms are ready to cut, and I like the security of many extra cuttings. It's a little crowded with 36 sites on these smaller cloners as it is, and I cut very large clones. One strain is already prone to fungus problems, so I try to keep a little space between them if possible. I've left my cloner unplugged all night after doing some maintenance a few times, and the next morning all the cuttings were drooping or wilted. I plug it back in and about 8 hours later, they look almost good as new. Love the aero cloners using the pool shock, cloning was a real drag before...

My experience is the bunch of them together keep the ideal humidity around the bush to not let it dry out fast, this is quite important as I don't use domes when aero cloning and it can get insanely warm here.

tyler.durden said:

I feel your pain, bro. I keep a lot of extra cuts just in case I fuck things up, and I keep them in cups of water that aren't labeled, so I'm not sure which are which. I've only had to use the back up cuts about 3 times in a decade, so not too bad for a stoner -

Post #3970


I use 2 grams of 73% calcium hypochlorite (pool shock) per gallon to make the solution. I then add about 20-30ml of that to my 3 gallon cloner rez every 2-3 days...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00WLWMM06/ref=psdc_1272967011_t3_B009S85LEA

I purchased six pounds, so I'll never run out. Crazy roots always pearly white...

Looks like we have the same cloner. Humidity domes are generally discouraged when aero cloning, some even say it lessens the success rate...

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I use a dome on the turbokloner, and mist them with RO. They root pretty fast, about a week.

I have the same cloner as you guys too, I don’t use a dome on that one.

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Day 37 12/12

I’ve learned a lot here, it definitely helped me branch out and find what I needed. I appreciate all of it.

I think I’m getting to a point that I’ll be able to really do some justice to the plants in my care, with the goal of minimum effort in my part.

dstroy said:

I use a dome on the turbokloner, and mist them with RO. They root pretty fast, about a week.

I have the same cloner as you guys too, I don’t use a dome on that one.

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Have you seen a significant difference in root time (and health of the cuttings) when you use the turbokloner without the dome and RO misting? What is the rooting time in our aero cloner in common? Do you use any additives or a timer on either cloner? Could I possibly ask any more questions???

tyler.durden said:

Have you seen a significant difference in root time (and health of the cuttings) when you use the turbokloner without the dome and RO misting? What is the rooting time in our aero cloner in common? Do you use any additives or a timer on either cloner? Could I possibly ask any more questions???

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Yes, they stay much perkier and have overall less leaf damage after rooting with the dome and misting. About 3 days less usually with the dome, but they look better overall. I get roots in about 7-8 days average. I use tapwater and clonex, no timer, kept at 74f. sure