NewGrowth
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We live in the free world others do not . . . slavery exists the world over Americans have just become the masters.
The Drug War is a War on the People
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chuckbane
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i believe thats a jab at outsourcing cheap labour and cheap foreign products.We live in the free world others do not . . . slavery exists the world over Americans have just become the masters.
Maybe if more people knew about this we wouldnt be in the mess we are today
TheBrutalTruth
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Should be relatively self-evident, everything from Bush's Patriot and Patriot II acts, which greatly restrict the freedom of Americans, to the dominance of big government subsidizing big business.
The latter can be viewed as the view that we need to establish open trade with countries that do not match the pay of Americans.
I ran across a disturbing though a couple weeks ago.
What if the Great Depression never really ended. What if the entire system was a giant shell game, and that the key component of the shell game was the need for big corporations and big government?
I don't know where it leads, I don't have the personal courage to chase down all the errant strands of data that it would take to determine that.
Though, I personally think that isolation doesn't go far enough. America would be better served by returning to a cottage industry type system, where everything needed by a community is produced in the community.
But that's at odds with my beliefs in personal and economic freedom.
That and I don't think it is truly feasible to require that all the food consumed by NYC be grown in NY State. I don't know if there's enough Farm Land in NY to accomplish that.
But all of that is rambling, and doesn't answer your question.
I think it's more a matter of looking at economic trends, before World War II and the Great Depression America was a lot freer, people were free to move around of their own free will, there was no Social Security Cards, or Drivers Licenses, or any of this bureaucratic non-sense.
And even before the turn of the century, before the extremely religious branded drug use as "sinful" people were free to ingest whatever chemicals they wanted. Of course, there was a problem of people not understanding exactly what those chemicals did, but how is that different from big pharma? We don't really know what 80% or more of the chemicals big pharma is forcing upon us do. At least not in the long term.
The side effects of the drugs often sound worse than the actual symptoms. Side effects may include, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, constipation, vertigo, loss of appetite, loss of consciousness and death. Do not take this product if you have any desire to live.
Before the Great Depression lawsuits were rare. There was no overwhelming desire to sue some one just for the sake of a few dollars (which is now the equivalent of a few hundred dollars.)
Maybe I'm not looking at history close enough when I make the statement about lawsuits.
I don't know.
I just don't think any of our current politicians are right about how to fix the problems confronting this nation. Nor do I find it intelligent for people to be so blinded by whatever side of the debate they are on that they ignore the flaws in their own candidate.
Nor do I like the constant screaming on TV (which I don't watch all that often) about this threat, or that threat, or how the world is going to end. The media is extremely good at identifying and ranting about problems, but it really sucks at finding solutions.
I don't know, there's a lot of things that strike me as fucked up, and one of those is the increased power being put in the hands of government. The Country was not supposed to have a government that resembled the Feudal Hierarchy
Pope - Supreme Court
King - President
King's Advisors - Cabinet
The Court - Senate
Nobles at Court - House of Representatives
Upper Nobility - Governors
Landed Nobility - State Legislatures
Lesser Landed Nobility - County Legislatures
Unlanded Nobility - City Government
It can be said that the government of the United States resembles the government of Britain with the only difference being that we elect the majority of the people that govern us. But when there is a lack of choices, when those in the major parties can practically do whatever they want and still get elected can it be stated that we are really electing our leaders?
I think some one was mentioning something about the House of Representatives being too small to truly be responsive to the people, and had links to a website that proposed increasing the size of the House to 6,000. I don't see how that'll solve the problem. The problem is that like the big businesses that are everywhere and span multiple states that we have a big government that is everywhere and spans multiple states. The majority of government should take place as close to possible as the people it is governing, which means at the State and Local levels. Not at the Federal Level, where the leaders are distant from the people, and can not be held accountable (and not forcefully thrown out of power easily if necessary.)
Why do our leaders need the secret service?
I mean, clearly if they were uniting the country they wouldn't have anything to fear from the country at large.
I think I'm rambling. I'm going to stop now.
NorthwestBuds
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TheBrutalTruth
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Just had another thought...
If we were serious about helping Mexico and Columbia with the Cartels and the rampant corruption wouldn't the easiest way of doing that be to legalize marijuana, and allow citizens to grow it on their own?
If we were serious about helping Mexico and Columbia with the Cartels and the rampant corruption wouldn't the easiest way of doing that be to legalize marijuana, and allow citizens to grow it on their own?
NewGrowth
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Yep but we would rather spend more money
TheBrutalTruth
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I don't really expect Obama to change that... the problem with government tyranny is that it tends to be self-perpetuating.Yep but we would rather spend more money
misshestermoffitt
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To the government it makes more sense to spend millions per year to fight a plant.
Think of all the people in jail or prison who's only "crime" was to have a plant. That makes less room for violent offenders who end up getting shorter sentences. The war on drugs jeopardizes all of our lives.
Think of all the people in jail or prison who's only "crime" was to have a plant. That makes less room for violent offenders who end up getting shorter sentences. The war on drugs jeopardizes all of our lives.
VTXDave
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One used to be able to walk right in to the White House and speak directly to the POTUS.
BTW TBT...I've noticed that even you refer to our "representatives" as <cough> <hack>...umm..."leaders"...
TheBrutalTruth
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Well, are they not leading us on the road to damnation, Dave?One used to be able to walk right in to the White House and speak directly to the POTUS.
BTW TBT...I've noticed that even you refer to our "representatives" as <cough> <hack>...umm..."leaders"...
Thus they are technically leaders, just not leaders of what should be a virtuous and free people. Nor any kind of people that I truly would want to invite over for supper.
VTXDave
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I hear ya buddy. I'm not disagreeing with you. Hell, they even refer to themselves as leaders nowadays. Once upon a time in America "We the People" had "Representatives". Sadly this is not the case any more and everyone simply sees them as our "leaders" now, and we will follow them over the edge into the abyss like lemmings. <sigh>
For the record...You will never find me using the term "leader" when referring to our "illustrious" elected officials. <grin>
TheBrutalTruth
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Lol, are they truly elected when there is such a vacuous lack of qualified people, and the only choice that most people make is the lesser of two evils, as perceived by how well they bandy about words and pull the wool over people's eyes?
Seamaiden
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I think it begins with perception, because often in life, perception can become reality. If our perception is that they are our leaders, yes? Take away that perception, and it becomes the reality. You do not lead me, Mr. Lungren, you represent me.
Not quite. When considering any of these issues, follow the money is my credo. Follow the money, who stands to benefit? Do they have a lobby? Yes! Privatization of imprisonment.
Which is why I voted in favor of Prop. 5, as it was just that, pulling out non-violent drug offenders, which would have saved us millions AND made room in overcrowded prisons (state, not fed).
NewGrowth
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Exactly it is the result of the Prison industrial complex. When we privatized our prison system it became VERY profitable to imprison people. Private companies would lose at least half of their profitable population if drug laws were reformed. Large institutions will do anything to survive.
Not just a plant but many substances that are less harmful than our draconian drug laws. Prisons create violent criminals, it is a violent act it itself to lock someone in a cage. Wouldn't you be pissed if someone locked you in a cage?
Well put sea, when prisoners=profit we have a serious problem . . .I think it begins with perception, because often in life, perception can become reality. If our perception is that they are our leaders, yes? Take away that perception, and it becomes the reality. You do not lead me, Mr. Lungren, you represent me.
Not quite. When considering any of these issues, follow the money is my credo. Follow the money, who stands to benefit? Do they have a lobby? Yes! Privatization of imprisonment.
Most Americans act on emotions not facts or reality. Here is a short history of "the politics of fear" that gets people elected and re-elected:
1950's- McCarthy and the "Red" Scare (Benefit: More weapons contracts, expansion of the military)
1980's- War on Drugs comes into full swing (Benefit: Private prison contracts, lucrative illegal trade)
2001- War on Terror, the worst of them all 168 billion spent on The Department of Homeland Security (Benefit: Huge military contracts, OIL)
The common thread is expansion of power, private contracts and lots of $$$$. So our own Government declares war on us and we comply because we are afraid of terrorists, communists, drug addicts, ect. I'm not saying that these things are not dangerous but they are blown way out of proportion, more people die from smoking cigs, cancer, heart disease, ect.
So why don't we put everyone who smokes cigs in jail next?Did that not pass? I am more sad about Prop 8, I was hoping that with the election of a black president we have become more tolerant of people, I guess not . . .
Would be great, but the vid never works for me
NewGrowth
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I think the video code changed here is the link thanks for bringing it to my attention. YouTube - Narco Wars- Mexico