THE FDR MYTH ....exposed

FuZZyBUDz

Well-Known Member
Wow, great thread CJ, and iamstoned fer the fact of the matter!

very informative. good arguments in here too.
 
Ummm some good info out there, CJ does an admirable job but doesn't tell the whole story,Iam5stoned tries to make up the difference but gets a few facts wrong, but his heart and mind are in the right place.

Ok so FDR STOLE (confiscated) the peoples money (gold) by gunpoint AND then had the audacity to revalue it upwards by 70%!!! Which means he DEVALUED the dollar by as much. SO, steal gold and pay the citizen at the rate of $20.67 per ounce of gold and then when you have gotten almost all of the gold, revalue it higher $35/ounce , effectively STEALING 70% of the citizens money for the governments use. Then make it illegal for the citizen to own gold, under large penalty if caught. Continue to let foreigners trade in dollars for gold coins until 1971 when the USA completely ran out of all gold ( Fort Knox has been empty since then).

The Federal Reserve had been around for 20 years before the depression came along, FDR didn't create it, private bankers from Europe created the FED to control the USA politically, and economically.

FWIW even under the Gold Standard the Banks of the day still practiced fractional reserve banking, its not a new concept, the fraud of it has existed since the days of the gold smith (1400's). You can only have bank runs if they are leveraged ( Fractional reserve) and they had lots of bank runs before the Fed came into existence.

The reason the USA became so fucking powerful after the war? Almost every single nation that was industrialized was totally in ruins, except one country of course, the USA. The rest of the world did not all of a sudden stop demand for products, all eyes turned to the USA to produce the needs of the world, there was almost NO COMPETITION!! Its easy to make a buck when your the only one capable of meeting demand. We had also imported the finest minds from all the enemy countries.

The greatest growth period of the USA? Easily the period between Andy Jackson's elimination of the Bank of the US and the US Debt and 1913 when the Fed reserve system was put into place and the Income tax amendment was put into place ( to Pay for the interest from borrowing money from the Fed).

The USA has sold it soul. The Corruption at the top for the last 40 years is mind boggling. The chickens are coming home to roost.
Thank you for pointing this out. I was reading through the thread wondering when someone was going to mention how FDR stole all of the citizens gold and then immediately devalued the currency.

Also glad you pointed the obvious reason the USA was so successful after WWII. I doesn't take much logic to realize that the United States prospered after WWII because all of the other economies in the world were decimated.

Thank you for saving me the time of explaining all of that
 

theexpress

Well-Known Member
Thank you for pointing this out. I was reading through the thread wondering when someone was going to mention how FDR stole all of the citizens gold and then immediately devalued the currency.

Also glad you pointed the obvious reason the USA was so successful after WWII. I doesn't take much logic to realize that the United States prospered after WWII because all of the other economies in the world were decimated.

Thank you for saving me the time of explaining all of that

i fully agree.....
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
I'll play along .... it takes a world war to correct 10 years of Keynesian economics. !!

Wonderful!!! We have a very bright future ahead of us.

IMO the only way we as humans have devised a way to get out of massive debt is by killing other people, taking over their country and selling their resources. We WILL have another world war due to all of this fraud and debt in the system.
 

Balzac89

Undercover Mod
The absence of regulation in the stock market is what caused the great depression. As seen today with the deregulation of the housing market. Thanks Bush!
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
The absence of regulation in the stock market is what caused the great depression. As seen today with the deregulation of the housing market. Thanks Bush!
NOT!! The Government regulates 1000's of more things than it did 100 years ago and we are still going to drown in the debt. Has nothing to do with government inaction, but government ACTION that has harmed the nation. If the government had just stayed out of the lives of the people and the economy the downturn would quickly have cleaned up the bad debts and we would have seen new growth in less than 2 years, but because government decided to intervene with all of its expensive wasteful social programs we had 10 years of shit.

Government cannot create any wealth, they can only use it, so every program, employee, politician, resource of the governments only puts more and more strain on the Taxpayer.
 

Balzac89

Undercover Mod
My point was that when a business sector has no one to answer to they will run rampant. You don't seem to understand my point. People will do unwise things because they can make a quick profit. The great depression was caused by the stock market not being regulated. And today's recession was caused by the banking and housing being deregulated by Master Bush.
 

Balzac89

Undercover Mod
Every econoimic disaster we have had has been caused by private industry not the government. and if you can disprove that go ahead.
 

undertheice

Well-Known Member
Private industry has no interest in your life.
private industry depends on the accumulated wealth of all individuals. no product or service can be marketed to an ailing consumer base. government, on the other hand, is only concerned with the population as a whole. government is supported by the total wealth of the nation, no matter how few hands may hold that wealth. the poverty of the few or the many is inconsequential to government as long as it can wring its pound of flesh from those who can retain wealth and maintain the illusion that it is striving for the equality of the remainder.
 

ViRedd

New Member
Ummm some good info out there, CJ does an admirable job but doesn't tell the whole story,Iam5stoned tries to make up the difference but gets a few facts wrong, but his heart and mind are in the right place.

Ok so FDR STOLE (confiscated) the peoples money (gold) by gunpoint AND then had the audacity to revalue it upwards by 70%!!! Which means he DEVALUED the dollar by as much. SO, steal gold and pay the citizen at the rate of $20.67 per ounce of gold and then when you have gotten almost all of the gold, revalue it higher $35/ounce , effectively STEALING 70% of the citizens money for the governments use. Then make it illegal for the citizen to own gold, under large penalty if caught. Continue to let foreigners trade in dollars for gold coins until 1971 when the USA completely ran out of all gold ( Fort Knox has been empty since then).

The Federal Reserve had been around for 20 years before the depression came along, FDR didn't create it, private bankers from Europe created the FED to control the USA politically, and economically.

FWIW even under the Gold Standard the Banks of the day still practiced fractional reserve banking, its not a new concept, the fraud of it has existed since the days of the gold smith (1400's). You can only have bank runs if they are leveraged ( Fractional reserve) and they had lots of bank runs before the Fed came into existence.

The reason the USA became so fucking powerful after the war? Almost every single nation that was industrialized was totally in ruins, except one country of course, the USA. The rest of the world did not all of a sudden stop demand for products, all eyes turned to the USA to produce the needs of the world, there was almost NO COMPETITION!! Its easy to make a buck when your the only one capable of meeting demand. We had also imported the finest minds from all the enemy countries.

The greatest growth period of the USA? Easily the period between Andy Jackson's elimination of the Bank of the US and the US Debt and 1913 when the Fed reserve system was put into place and the Income tax amendment was put into place ( to Pay for the interest from borrowing money from the Fed).

The USA has sold it soul. The Corruption at the top for the last 40 years is mind boggling. The chickens are coming home to roost.
This is an excellent post, ND.

Only one out of ten thousand understands what ND posted above. As soon as Americans understand what government has done to the citizen's control over THEIR OWN MONEY, we will have a revolution. Oh wait ... did anyone see the enormous crowds at the TEA Party protests on April 15? :lol:
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Yes, all true..... but first at least can we just all agree that the economics used by FDR were a failure? The facts have been in for a long time but is seldom examined.

Get rid of Keynesian economics and lots of the problems will recede. You can't fix anything by sliding the USA into irreversible debt.

Others will do the deciding for you...and you won't like it one bit.
 
Every econoimic disaster we have had has been caused by private industry not the government. and if you can disprove that go ahead.
You are way off base with this accusation. The government is responsible for many of the financial crises in the history of this country, most importantly the Great Depression. The GD was caused by the Feds manipulation of the money supply and interest rates. The government vastly expanded the money supply and kept interest rates artificially low, leading to a huge economic bubble. While you blame the greedy investors, the Fed is what made their actions possible. The main cause of the GD was the expansion of the money supply in the 1920s that led to an unsustainable credit-driven boom. It was this inflation of the money supply that led to an unsustainable boom in both asset prices and capital goods. By the time the Fed belatedly tightened the money supply in 1928 it was to late to avoid a depression. Furthermore, the artificial interference of the government in the economy was a disaster prior to the Depression, and their efforts to prop up the economy after the crash of 1929 only made things worse. Government intervention impeded the markets ability to adjust itself, and made matters worse.
 

Balzac89

Undercover Mod
FDR was not about the economy. He wanted to help the people. Say what you will, but FDR was no coward like Hoover. He saw the problems and he took steps to fix them. You can't blame the man for cring about his fellow Americans. More politicians should be so kind.
 

redivider

Well-Known Member
free market economics isn't perfect. it's deregulated nature lends itself for much abuse.

some degree of contro must exist, some rules have to be followed in order for true economic development in a country to occur.
 

redivider

Well-Known Member
ever heard of the movie A Beautiful Mind?

the best group outcome arises from everybody doing what's best for themselves. old economic theory.

the best group outcome arises from everybody doing what's best for themselves and the group. new economic theory, the one that's been proven true countless times.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
FDR was not about the economy. He wanted to help the people. Say what you will, but FDR was no coward like Hoover. He saw the problems and he took steps to fix them. You can't blame the man for cring about his fellow Americans. More politicians should be so kind.
Sure, I guess you could say that. IMO he was disillusioned, he thought he was doing so much good that he was blind to how his efforts only did the exact opposite of his intentions.
Hoover was not a coward, he just had almost ZERO experience leading a country or being a politician , he was a engineer for god sakes. Everyone knows that if you put someone with no experience up to task he is going to fail quite a bit until he learns the ropes. 4 years is not enough time. Sounds like someone else we all know doesn't it?
 

CrackerJax

New Member
free market economics isn't perfect. it's deregulated nature lends itself for much abuse.

some degree of contro must exist, some rules have to be followed in order for true economic development in a country to occur.
You haven't a clue have you..... holey mackerel.

FDR destroyed the free markets..... which destroyed any hope of a recovery.

Sure, I guess you could say that. IMO he was disillusioned, he thought he was doing so much good that he was blind to how his efforts only did the exact opposite of his intentions.
Hoover was not a coward, he just had almost ZERO experience leading a country or being a politician , he was a engineer for god sakes. Everyone knows that if you put someone with no experience up to task he is going to fail quite a bit until he learns the ropes. 4 years is not enough time. Sounds like someone else we all know doesn't it?
Please.... FDR was SO about the economy..... that is a ridiculous thing to say. Why do you think he made all of the vast changes. To change the economy.... which according to Balzac....he wasn't about at all. FDR was like a big boy scout...helping them across the economic street.

BS!!! Let's not become completely naive now..... :lol:

FDR enacted unproven and as it turned out to be, a recovery killing economic model. This is the very same model Obama is using today.

The USA would have already been free of this mess if Obama hadn't been elected. TRILLIONS would NOT have been added to our debt bill. Much more is to come.....

but wake up (all except RED who is well.... slow) to the reality of what is happening.

When the facts are put in front of you and you go into denial.... it only means one thing. The problem isn't with the facts.

FACT: FDR delayed and damaged the country by destroying the free market system. Only after his plans were finally rejected, did the country recover.

What should have been a rough 5 years, turned into a rough 15 years..... thanks to Keynesian economics......


And Harvard grad Obama & Democrat Congress are doing the same thing....

They are so smart.... uhhh no.
 
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