Thank you for pointing this out. I was reading through the thread wondering when someone was going to mention how FDR stole all of the citizens gold and then immediately devalued the currency.Ummm some good info out there, CJ does an admirable job but doesn't tell the whole story,Iam5stoned tries to make up the difference but gets a few facts wrong, but his heart and mind are in the right place.
Ok so FDR STOLE (confiscated) the peoples money (gold) by gunpoint AND then had the audacity to revalue it upwards by 70%!!! Which means he DEVALUED the dollar by as much. SO, steal gold and pay the citizen at the rate of $20.67 per ounce of gold and then when you have gotten almost all of the gold, revalue it higher $35/ounce , effectively STEALING 70% of the citizens money for the governments use. Then make it illegal for the citizen to own gold, under large penalty if caught. Continue to let foreigners trade in dollars for gold coins until 1971 when the USA completely ran out of all gold ( Fort Knox has been empty since then).
The Federal Reserve had been around for 20 years before the depression came along, FDR didn't create it, private bankers from Europe created the FED to control the USA politically, and economically.
FWIW even under the Gold Standard the Banks of the day still practiced fractional reserve banking, its not a new concept, the fraud of it has existed since the days of the gold smith (1400's). You can only have bank runs if they are leveraged ( Fractional reserve) and they had lots of bank runs before the Fed came into existence.
The reason the USA became so fucking powerful after the war? Almost every single nation that was industrialized was totally in ruins, except one country of course, the USA. The rest of the world did not all of a sudden stop demand for products, all eyes turned to the USA to produce the needs of the world, there was almost NO COMPETITION!! Its easy to make a buck when your the only one capable of meeting demand. We had also imported the finest minds from all the enemy countries.
The greatest growth period of the USA? Easily the period between Andy Jackson's elimination of the Bank of the US and the US Debt and 1913 when the Fed reserve system was put into place and the Income tax amendment was put into place ( to Pay for the interest from borrowing money from the Fed).
The USA has sold it soul. The Corruption at the top for the last 40 years is mind boggling. The chickens are coming home to roost.
Thank you for pointing this out. I was reading through the thread wondering when someone was going to mention how FDR stole all of the citizens gold and then immediately devalued the currency.
Also glad you pointed the obvious reason the USA was so successful after WWII. I doesn't take much logic to realize that the United States prospered after WWII because all of the other economies in the world were decimated.
Thank you for saving me the time of explaining all of that
I'll play along .... it takes a world war to correct 10 years of Keynesian economics. !!
Wonderful!!! We have a very bright future ahead of us.
NOT!! The Government regulates 1000's of more things than it did 100 years ago and we are still going to drown in the debt. Has nothing to do with government inaction, but government ACTION that has harmed the nation. If the government had just stayed out of the lives of the people and the economy the downturn would quickly have cleaned up the bad debts and we would have seen new growth in less than 2 years, but because government decided to intervene with all of its expensive wasteful social programs we had 10 years of shit.The absence of regulation in the stock market is what caused the great depression. As seen today with the deregulation of the housing market. Thanks Bush!
private industry depends on the accumulated wealth of all individuals. no product or service can be marketed to an ailing consumer base. government, on the other hand, is only concerned with the population as a whole. government is supported by the total wealth of the nation, no matter how few hands may hold that wealth. the poverty of the few or the many is inconsequential to government as long as it can wring its pound of flesh from those who can retain wealth and maintain the illusion that it is striving for the equality of the remainder.Private industry has no interest in your life.
This is an excellent post, ND.Ummm some good info out there, CJ does an admirable job but doesn't tell the whole story,Iam5stoned tries to make up the difference but gets a few facts wrong, but his heart and mind are in the right place.
Ok so FDR STOLE (confiscated) the peoples money (gold) by gunpoint AND then had the audacity to revalue it upwards by 70%!!! Which means he DEVALUED the dollar by as much. SO, steal gold and pay the citizen at the rate of $20.67 per ounce of gold and then when you have gotten almost all of the gold, revalue it higher $35/ounce , effectively STEALING 70% of the citizens money for the governments use. Then make it illegal for the citizen to own gold, under large penalty if caught. Continue to let foreigners trade in dollars for gold coins until 1971 when the USA completely ran out of all gold ( Fort Knox has been empty since then).
The Federal Reserve had been around for 20 years before the depression came along, FDR didn't create it, private bankers from Europe created the FED to control the USA politically, and economically.
FWIW even under the Gold Standard the Banks of the day still practiced fractional reserve banking, its not a new concept, the fraud of it has existed since the days of the gold smith (1400's). You can only have bank runs if they are leveraged ( Fractional reserve) and they had lots of bank runs before the Fed came into existence.
The reason the USA became so fucking powerful after the war? Almost every single nation that was industrialized was totally in ruins, except one country of course, the USA. The rest of the world did not all of a sudden stop demand for products, all eyes turned to the USA to produce the needs of the world, there was almost NO COMPETITION!! Its easy to make a buck when your the only one capable of meeting demand. We had also imported the finest minds from all the enemy countries.
The greatest growth period of the USA? Easily the period between Andy Jackson's elimination of the Bank of the US and the US Debt and 1913 when the Fed reserve system was put into place and the Income tax amendment was put into place ( to Pay for the interest from borrowing money from the Fed).
The USA has sold it soul. The Corruption at the top for the last 40 years is mind boggling. The chickens are coming home to roost.
You are way off base with this accusation. The government is responsible for many of the financial crises in the history of this country, most importantly the Great Depression. The GD was caused by the Feds manipulation of the money supply and interest rates. The government vastly expanded the money supply and kept interest rates artificially low, leading to a huge economic bubble. While you blame the greedy investors, the Fed is what made their actions possible. The main cause of the GD was the expansion of the money supply in the 1920s that led to an unsustainable credit-driven boom. It was this inflation of the money supply that led to an unsustainable boom in both asset prices and capital goods. By the time the Fed belatedly tightened the money supply in 1928 it was to late to avoid a depression. Furthermore, the artificial interference of the government in the economy was a disaster prior to the Depression, and their efforts to prop up the economy after the crash of 1929 only made things worse. Government intervention impeded the markets ability to adjust itself, and made matters worse.Every econoimic disaster we have had has been caused by private industry not the government. and if you can disprove that go ahead.
Sure, I guess you could say that. IMO he was disillusioned, he thought he was doing so much good that he was blind to how his efforts only did the exact opposite of his intentions.FDR was not about the economy. He wanted to help the people. Say what you will, but FDR was no coward like Hoover. He saw the problems and he took steps to fix them. You can't blame the man for cring about his fellow Americans. More politicians should be so kind.
You haven't a clue have you..... holey mackerel.free market economics isn't perfect. it's deregulated nature lends itself for much abuse.
some degree of contro must exist, some rules have to be followed in order for true economic development in a country to occur.
Please.... FDR was SO about the economy..... that is a ridiculous thing to say. Why do you think he made all of the vast changes. To change the economy.... which according to Balzac....he wasn't about at all. FDR was like a big boy scout...helping them across the economic street.Sure, I guess you could say that. IMO he was disillusioned, he thought he was doing so much good that he was blind to how his efforts only did the exact opposite of his intentions.
Hoover was not a coward, he just had almost ZERO experience leading a country or being a politician , he was a engineer for god sakes. Everyone knows that if you put someone with no experience up to task he is going to fail quite a bit until he learns the ropes. 4 years is not enough time. Sounds like someone else we all know doesn't it?