The First LED Grow Box

Zatoichi · Sep 12, 2008

I probably should have asked this in the earlier post, but anyhoo...

So I've got this plant on 400W HPS right now and I plan on changing it to LED tomorrow, if the light shows up (FedEx tracking still says it should). So I was thinking I'd take a long shot of the plant with a basic height measurement, and maybe a close up of the top with a ruler. (It's growing in dirt, by the way. Last one I plan on doing. The next are all hydro, including six clones of this subject plant.) Should that be enough info?

Also, any opinions of UVB?

Arigato!

Phinxter · Sep 12, 2008

you are in rare form tonight Al B.
i especially liked the lemmings and squirrell fat comment ... good stuff.
sometimes i dont know who is in deeper trouble ... this guy or the guy with 40 bux and some bagseed

Al B. Fuct · Sep 12, 2008

Zatoichi said:
So I've got this plant on 400W HPS right now and I plan on changing it to LED tomorrow, if the light shows up (FedEx tracking still says it should).

Just pretend you're not home. They'll eventually just return it to the sender. :lol:

You are seriously shooting yourself in the foot if you replace a 400HPS with LEDs.

Also, any opinions of UVB?

I've never found any proper botanical research which proves whether or not UV has any effect on cannabis plants at all, but one can make a reasonable assumption that if there's UV available in sunlight, one should provide it in artificial light.

HPS does make quite a lot of UVB & some UVC. Leave some non-UV stabilised plastics in your grow room for a month and you'll see what I mean (bleaching, brittleness).

Arigato!

どういたしまして。!

Al B. Fuct · Sep 12, 2008

Phinxter said:
you are in rare form tonight Al B.
i especially liked the lemmings and squirrell fat comment ... good stuff.

well thanks...

sometimes i dont know who is in deeper trouble ... this guy or the guy with 40 bux and some bagseed

No one's in trouble here, but in many ways, the guy with $40 and some bagseed is going to be less trouble for himself- and others. He'll be less likely to think he's just invented the wheel and run off trying to convince us all that it's time we got rolling.

sk3tch3 · Sep 12, 2008

Al B. Fuct said:
..., but one can make a reasonable assumption that if there's UV available in sunlight, one should provide it in artificial light.

HPS does makes quite a lot of UVB & some UVC.(bleaching, brittleness).

MH has more the hps, but non the less it is not a suitable substitute for the sun. but in it its own respect the more the better.

take the concept of tanning beds into consideration.

peace and happy growing -sk3tch3

HollywoodRpi69 · Sep 12, 2008

Al B. Fuct said:
well thanks...

No one's in trouble here, but in many ways, the guy with $40 and some bagseed is going to be less trouble for himself- and others. He'll be less likely to think he's just invented the wheel and run off trying to convince us all that it's time we got rolling.

Well then I guess its up to me to prove your crusty old ass wrong... I'm not trying to get anyone rolling; I'm explaining what I'm trying, to see if it works... isn't that what RIU is about, Leave your hate on your farm and try changing that tampon too. btw read the responses before writing you won't sound so ignorant again a source

Al B. Fuct · Sep 12, 2008

HollywoodRpi69 said:
try changing that tampon too. btw read the responses before writing you won't sound so ignorant again a source

Have you noticed that I haven't had to call you an asshole, fucked, or accuse you of being a menstruating woman to prove you wrong from top to bottom... and yet you come back for more embarrassment.

OK, I'll take your challenge, Mr Noob. Prove me wrong. Here's your competition.

By the way, the last pic is what we in the biz call 'dense nugs.' When you get some proper lighting you may actually see some in person.

GrowTech · Sep 12, 2008

Al B. Fuct said:
wroooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnng

A Luxeon K2 (which, by the way, you don't have, considering what you paid for yours) makes 200lm from 5W input. That's 40 lumens/watt. My 1000W HPS lamps make 160,000lm, or 160lm/W. My 1000HPS lamps are 4 times more efficient in lumens/watt than the very best LEDs (which, again, you don't have).

wronnnnnnnnnnng- high output LEDs make so much heat that they have to be flow soldered onto a heat dissipating mounting substrate! Their power supplies generate a fair amount of heat, too.

Well, it makes sense that a plant that isn't thriving won't use much water... but I'd like to see where you got your figure from. It's a bit useless.

Big deal, space is very cheap, especially space spent on lights that will produce some buds.

Crap. Gimme a source for that information (that doesn't come from a maker or seller of LEDs).

Sorry, but this is bullshit.

You SERIOUSLY don't wanna know about the cyanide and arsenic as well as lead & mercury used in the production of semiconductors. Look up gallium arsenide sometime- it's common in LEDs.
Oho, the truth comes out. You sell lights. No conflict of interest here, is there?

600 hours, my ass. My 400HPS in the mum area runs 8000 hours/year and my 1000HPS are running 4000h/yr.

Why do people come on this board and talk pure shit and think no one will call them out?

Quite so! You need to use your nose to smell asshole.

How many people need to jump off a cliff to prove they can't fly? All you need to know is that LEDs make fuck-all luminous output to know they'll not be very good at growing plants.

For $1.50 you can get an 1800lm CFL at the fucking grocery.

pwnd

Phinxter · Sep 12, 2008

and 2 points about that article you posted ... first it was "suplemental" lighting ... meaning it doesnt compare shit to do with your grow op where it is a "sole" light source... and 2 she has yet to grow anything with it ... says and i quote "i'm still experimenting on them watching to see if they will grow faster"
so yeah shes spent money on them ... yup and installed em yup .. shes as far as you ... and like i said .... none sticks around long enough to prove us wrong... looking forward to this.
and ummm ohhh btw Al B. those look like really dense nugs .... did you flower those under HPS ?? cuz those look alot like the dense nugs i get from my 1000 watt HPS.
well mine arent quite that large ... but just as dense

Al B. Fuct · Sep 12, 2008

Originally Posted by HollywoodRpi69

a source

Why yes, an article from a trade mag, which earns its bacon by taking ads from makers of equipment.

Imagine for a moment, HotRod magazine publishes an article saying NOS nitrous systems are Satan's spawn. When do you think NOS will next place an ad? That's right, when hell freezes over.

When you want to cite a reference, the source is important. If it is biased or even potentially so, you can't call the source credible. If you want to impress me, find me some peer-reviewed literature from a botanical or horticultural college of a major university.

GrowTech said:
pwnd

Wait'll you see me try hard. :lol:

Al B. Fuct · Sep 12, 2008

Phinxter said:
Al B. those look like really dense nugs .... did you flower those under HPS ?? cuz those look alot like the dense nugs i get from my 1000 watt HPS.
well mine arent quite that large ... but just as dense

1000W HPS w/ cooltubes.

There is no substitute.

GrowTech · Sep 12, 2008

Fuct, while you're viewing this thread, lets at least put it to good use...

I just picked up a couple 1000W HPS systems to clone your perpetual grow. Do you recommend using the cool tubes over using parabolic reflectors & running an AC system?

Al B. Fuct · Sep 12, 2008

As you see, I use cooltubes with double parabolic refs. I don't need aircon where I am; summer temps rarely exceed 24C. However, without cooltubes, my op air temps were often over 27C. With cooltubes, aircon is totally unnecessary for me.

If your intake air is regularly above 23-24C, it may be necessary to use aircon. Your mileage may vary.

My refs are Accent Hydroponics' Adjust-A-Wings married to cooltubes after the fact. Look for Accent to offer this combination as a single unit soon.

GrowTech · Sep 12, 2008

Wow $200USD for a large adjust-a-wing is a lot for something that isn't even air cooled. Of course, it does come with the heat shield and all of the other madness. Of course looking at the coverage it provides it appears that it wouldn't be a terrible investment.

Al B. Fuct · Sep 12, 2008

Be patient... a cooltubed version is coming soon from Accent at a good price. Might even be the Al B. signature edition.

fitzyno1 · Sep 12, 2008

Al B. Fuct said:
1000W HPS w/ cooltubes.

There is no substitute.

Al B, i see you supply your plants with upside down air, what effect does it have on your plants? :lol:

Only messing, thats a good space saving idea, hope you don't mind me copying you. By the way, how have you it stuck to the ceiling?

vanauken · Sep 12, 2008

just a note cool tubes have a HUGE hot spot so it wouldn't be a bad idea to throw em on a mover.

vanauken · Sep 12, 2008

HollywoodRpi69 said:
Hey Go easy,

First of all I have about 1,000 people living within 500 ft of my location, No smell what so ever is required, Second I'm in a City where average cost of weed is $60 for 3 grams Thats alot so I cut my consumption in half for ten weeks to make it. Shit adds up 1/3 is mostly shipping

Wood Armouir $200.00 E bay
1 sheet 3/4" A/A Birch Plywood Delivered $65
1 50 watt Led {3 red 1 Blue}, 138 leds / Panel $125 Ebay
4 15 watt Led (3 red to 1 Blue) 220 leds / Panel $88.00 Ebay
2 15 watt all blue 220 leds/ panel $75.00 Ebay
(All from ledwholesalers.com)
5 Dayton 105 cfm fans $122.00 Grainger
1 Carbon air scrubber $50.00 Ebay
1 Co2 Regulator with digital time relaese and hose $135.00 Ebay
4 Hydro plant trays 4 gal ea; 10 spot for cloning, 2 8 spots for vegging and a 6 spot for Mothers, all with air stones etc $140 Ebay
3 digital timers multi function random capable etc etc. $22.00 Ebay
Harberfreighttools.com
6 6 outlet plug strips $16.00 Ebay
Seeds 18 total, Nirvana $90.00 Started them today White widow and Northern lights starting a journal for that
Hydro hut 16 gal Hydroponic tub with 16 pots, lava rocks and pump, along with Nut. Meter, timers and a bunch of stuff I won't use $300.00 on Ebay I cleaned a friends basement for it and a half once too boot
Mylar Ebay $30.00 I got mine from Stoner friend
Various tools and Hardware $200.00 home depot
Champane yeast for back up Co2 $25.00 Ebay (homebrewer site)
AeroGardenPro $110.00 Ebay
Aero Garden nut.'s for nirvana seeds $45.00 Ebay
Other Nut.'s $80.00 Ebay
Horticulture meter $11.00 Ebay
Not Spending a third of my Pay Check on Pot

Fucking Priceless

dude, did you learn a lesson? ebay isn't that cheap sometimes. damn, my setup completly undetectable cost a grand, thats it with an hid and air scrubber, i hope you get good results, it looks cool, but in the future, make your own led panels, you have more control that way, more light, and less $$ costs.
did you get a co2 tank? curious to see how much that ran you..
and your dayton fans are 30$ at ahlgrows.com if you need more, also checkout hydroponics.net for good prices on anything. 1 blower and a rubbermaid makes an awesome herb dryer if you dont want to wait.

Al B. Fuct · Sep 12, 2008

fitzyno1 said:
Al B, i see you supply your plants with upside down air, what effect does it have on your plants?

It makes their noses run and their feet smell.

Only messing, thats a good space saving idea, hope you don't mind me copying you. By the way, how have you it stuck to the ceiling?

Copy away, that's why I post!

I removed the two crossbars that form the feet of the stand and fixed the telescoping pole to the ceiling with screws through the 4 mounting holes formerly used to attach the crossbars.

vanauken said:
just a note cool tubes have a HUGE hot spot .

No, they don't. Where on earth did you HEAR nonsense like this from? :wall:

Or did you just make it up all by yourself?

so it wouldn't be a bad idea to throw em on a mover

Light movers are not a good thing, anyway. It's better to have a stationary lamp that suits the size of the space you're trying to light rather than trying to spread light out over an area that is really too large for that particular lamp.

With movers, you have a new figure to contemplate; lux-hours (lumens per sq metre per hour). When a mover has the lamp over one end of the grow, it's not over the other. You have to derate the amount of light the plants are getting owing to the mover having the light elsewhere for a certain amount of time.

Linear light movers also do not distribute light evenly. Plants in the middle of the traverse get more light than plants on the ends. Rotary light movers don't have this problem, but they do need 'slipper ring' connections to conduct electricity to the lamp from the ballast, which can be troublesome.

Also, light movers are mechanically complex. I'm pretty handy with electronics and welding/metalwork and even I would not attempt to DIY one. I've see more than one break while in service due to their general complexity.

vanauken said:
, i hope you get good results, it looks cool, but in the future, make your own led panels,

Why, so one can waste money a bit more frugally? :lol:

LEDs are not useful for growing cannabis, whether home built or commercially supplied.

HollywoodRpi69 · Sep 12, 2008

vanauken said:
dude, did you learn a lesson? ebay isn't that cheap sometimes. damn, my setup completly undetectable cost a grand, thats it with an hid and air scrubber, i hope you get good results, it looks cool, but in the future, make your own led panels, you have more control that way, more light, and less $$ costs.
did you get a co2 tank? curious to see how much that ran you..
and your dayton fans are 30$ at ahlgrows.com if you need more, also checkout hydroponics.net for good prices on anything. 1 blower and a rubbermaid makes an awesome herb dryer if you dont want to wait.

I haven't seen prices lower and I'm proud of what I've gotten accomplished the price really doesnt bother me. I dont have a ranch I have a studio apartment with gangs outside, there is a terrorism sweep everytime a roach sneezes. Everybody with the exception of a rare three or four in this thread has missed the point. This is an experiment I'm not saying go do this I'm say lets see what happens, so far this is pretty cheap (as far as hydro go's) especally a self contained unit.

Al b Fuct , this is an LED experimental thread. Start your own thread so your followers can worship you there For those of you who want see what comes of it hang out the rest of you hater's who think just cause someone is saying something different than yourself it means they're saying you're wrong, go with Al. Al be for you go could you leave a square footage vs the final cured weight of one of your harvests so I got a reference to work with

For the rest Seeds are on Day 2 all have cracked Very impressive for the Nirvana shop kodus Going into the areo garden tomorrow, as for the questions from above; Got a friend in Construction got me a co2 can left on a finished job site, my dayton fans were $ 22 ea, $2 for the cord and tx, I don't understand your point there. Again right now I feel I did really well for what I've put together, the lights only ran $288 at the time the lowest I saw a ufo at was $485 of which I think I got the coverage beat , most hydro supplies came from KG suppliers in Rome NY, How do you make your own LEDs? I work 53 hrs / wk so there was cost verse convience issues but not much like buying an already built box. the timers sells in hydro hut for thirty dallors I got the same on Ebay from Harbor frieght with out the label for 6 each 4 for shipping So over all to do it the way I wanted it sure did add up but I don't regret one dime so far. Find me 6 Belkin 6 outlet Surge protectors for less than 2.49 ea

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