The Flower Power Challenge!

Garden Knowm said:

When I say a plant takes "8 weeks to flower".... I am referencing the VERY first day I put the plant into 12/12... That is when I consider a plant has started "flowering"

Is he plant really flowering that very DAY... well... fook I don't know....

All I really care about is that we can all agree what the term "flowering" means..

So that we can share information regarding the number of days it takes particular stains to MATURE TO HARVEST...

that's all i really care about.. I always assumed we were all on the same page regarding the definition of the term "flowering"...

I always thought it started the day "YOU" switches to 12/12.. but I am more than willing to change my definition.. whatever works best..

FYI-
ALMOST every strain I have grown takes exactly 14 days of 12/12 to show its FIRST female hair..

iloveyou

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thank you...you would not believe how bashed I got earlier for having the same opinion.......

i was called a dumb ass, a retard, stupid, full of shit...all because I said the count starts at the beginning of 12/12..........

BIGMIKE13 said:

look at my last 2 post. now that shits funny.........

fdd please you will laugh..

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i've been doing nothing but laughing.

000420 said:

thank you...you would not believe how bashed I got earlier for having the same opinion.......

i was called a dumb ass, a retard, stupid, full of shit...all because I said the count starts at the beginning of 12/12..........

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don't worry about those clowns.. the forums are for clarifying and assisting...

there are no dumb questions.. but there are plenty of dumb answers..

no reason to ever get on the high horse.. unless your looking to get knocked down

iloveyou

Garden Knowm said:

don't worry about those clowns.. the forums are for clarifying and assisting...

there are no dumb questions.. but there are plenty of dumb answers..

no reason to ever get on the high horse.. unless your looking to get knocked down

iloveyou

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the only stupid questions are the ones that don't get asked..........

it's not about knowing all the answers...but how to ask the right questions....


you are the man GK

i love u

i agree that a plant has to be sexually mature to be "flowering" light cycle 12-12 or not.

i agree that most people do not flower seedlings, so i can see both sides of the arguement.

clones are different as the mother is probably already sexually mature.

~BBA


Knows not what the weed can do for you, but what you can do for your weed.

skunkushybrid said:

Could you post a link up cali', I'd be very interested in joining in.

000420, you haven't read enough on phytochromes to completely understand what they are. Yes they react to red light and are responsible for photosynthesis, but they are not responsible for flowering. You also have phototropins that respond to blue light.

Cannabis can quite happily use either of these to photosynthesise all the way through both the veg' and flowering period. Light spectrum has NOTHING to do with flowering.

This would be an interesting thread cali'... in fact, there's already a phytochrome thread started in the advanced section... been there for some time now.

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phytochrome is what triggers many plants to start flowering...it is how plants see light.........i can't believe how many people don't now this......many plants are not photo period sensitive but most cannabis is...and it uses phytochrome to detect the change in photo period...

Phytochrome is a photoreceptor, a pigment that plants use to detect light. It is sensitive to light in the red and far-red region of the visible spectrum. Many flowering plants use it to regulate the time of flowering photoperiodism) based on the length of day and night ( and to set circadian rhythms. It also regulates other responses including the germination of seeds, elongation of seedlings, the size, shape and number of leaves, the synthesis of chlorophyll, and the straightening of the epicotyl or hypocotyl hook of dicot seedlings.
Biochemically, phytochrome is a protein with a bilin chromophore.
Phytochrome has been found in most plants including all higher plants; very similar molecules have been found in several bacteria. A fragment of a bacterial phytochrome now has a solved three-dimensional protein structure.
Other plant photoreceptors include cryptochromes and phototropins, which are sensitive to light in the blue and ultra-violet regions of the spectrum.



it's pretty easy...plants use phyto chrome to see light...when the photo period is right for certain plants......it triggers the flowering period....it's s fact...



why would you say i need to study phytochrome more...you can easily find the info yourself...

Phytochrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

phytochrome is how cannabis regulates the time of flowering...FACT.......

show some literature that says otherwise.....please

i now understand why some peoples plants look so big after 3 weeks of flowering. 'cause they aren't really at 3 weeks. more like 5.

more and more info on how the phytochrome system is used to detect photo period and trigger flowering........

Photoperiodism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Many flowering plants use the pigment phytochrome to sense seasonal changes in day length, which they take as signals to flower. Broadly, flowering plants can be classified as long day plants, short day plants, or day neutral plants.
Long day plants require a certain amount of daylight to initiate flowering (this was initially thought) it is now known that it is actually the night length that will influence the flowering, so a long day plant needs a short night which in turn will mean it has a long day. These plants flower in the spring or summer. Conversely, short day plants will flower when the length of daylight falls below a certain amount. Short day plants need the night to be longer and therefore the days are short, they will flower in late summer, autumn or winter. Day neutral plants do not initiate flowering based on photoperiodism i.e. they can flower regardless of the night length; some may use temperature (vernalization) instead.
A long day plant is a plant that requires less than a certain number of hours of night in each 24 hour period to induce flowering. Long day plants typically flower in the late spring or early summer.
A short day plant is a plant that cannot flower under the long days of summer. Short day plants typically flower in the fall of the year. These plants require a certain number of hours of darkness in each 24 hour period (a short daylength) before floral development can begin. Plants use the phytochrome system to sense day length or photoperiod.
A short day plant (long night) will not flower if a flash of light is used on the plant during the night. This does not occur from natural light such as lightning, fire flies, etc.
Phytochrome is converted to its active form by red light (660 nm), and its inactive form by far-red light (730 nm). Moonlight produces a greater percentage of far-red light than sunlight, so during the night the phytochrome is slowly converted to its inactive form. More phytochrome is converted in a longer night, allowing the plant to measure the length of the night.
Other instances of photoperiodism in plants include the growth of stems or roots during certain seasons, or the loss of leaves.

Long day plant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A long day plant is a plant that requires less than a certain number of hours of sunlight in each 24 hour period to induce flowering. Long day plants typically flower in the late spring or early summer Plants use the phytochrome system to sense daylength or photoperiod.

Short day plant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A short day plant is a plant that cannot flower under the long days of summer. Short day plants typically flower in the fall of the year. These plants require a certain number of hours of darkness in each 24 hour period (a short daylength) before development can begin. Plants use the phytochrome system to sense daylength or photoperiod.


this is why I have a bloom room on 12/12.....right?

Thank God for FDD and Garden Nome, Flowering starts the day YOU change lights to 12/12.
Was getting sick of that one guy getting tag teamed by those dudes.
Its not about what you see, its about what the plant is doing internally.

This site rules.

sharks said:

Thank God for FDD and Garden Nome, Flowering starts the day YOU change lights to 12/12.
Was getting sick of that one guy getting tag teamed by those dudes.
Its not about what you see, its about what the plant is doing internally.

This site rules.

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i love sharks. first report i ever did in elementary school was on sharks. caught a few nice ones here and there as well.

sharks said:

Thank God for FDD and Garden Nome, Flowering starts the day YOU change lights to 12/12.
Was getting sick of that one guy getting tag teamed by those dudes.
Its not about what you see, its about what the plant is doing internally.

This site rules.

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thanks bro...it hurts getting tag teamed...my bum is sore.........i couldn't even
believe they were arguing that shit...it was crazy...lol.....

sharks rule...

Hey 420 and FDD, I am a newb and was hesitant at posting because I know those other guys had many grows under belt, but I am pretty well read on my new favorite hobby and never heard of starting to count flowering weeks based on what you saw and when you saw it.

I am a die hard fisherman and freediver and have had quite a few encounters with many species of sharks. They are never where you are looking but always where you are not looking, they truly understand stealth and sometimes stalk you for a while before the fins go down, their back arches and then you need to get your speargun or polespear between you and them quick or get back on beach or back in boat. Other times they truly are just checking you out and obviously mean you no harm at all.

sharks said:

Hey 420 and FDD, I am a newb and was hesitant at posting because I know those other guys had many grows under belt, but I am pretty well read on my new favorite hobby and never heard of starting to count flowering weeks based on what you saw and when you saw it.

I am a die hard fisherman and freediver and have had quite a few encounters with many species of sharks. They are never where you are looking but always where you are not looking, they truly understand stealth and sometimes stalk you for a while before the fins go down, their back arches and then you need to get your speargun or polespear between you and them quick or get back on beach or back in boat. Other times they truly are just checking you out and obviously mean you no harm at all.

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i worked on a commercial salmon boat off the california coast back in the early 80's. when the ocean was still alive.

pretty good stuff.

bba said:

i agree that a plant has to be sexually mature to be "flowering" light cycle 12-12 or not.

i agree that most people do not flower seedlings, so i can see both sides of the arguement.

clones are different as the mother is probably already sexually mature.

~BBA


Knows not what the weed can do for you, but what you can do for your weed.

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flowering does not start until your plant has shown sex..... period.

bba said:

flowering does not start until your plant has shown sex..... period.

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what if it's a clone from a female? then when does flowering start?

bba said:

flowering does not start until your plant has shown sex..... period.

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still it continues...you are wrong....photoperiod determines when the plant flowers............it's just science...i'm sorry....

phytochrome is what triggers many plants to start flowering...it is how plants see light.........i can't believe how many people don't now this......many plants are not photo period sensitive but most cannabis is...and it uses phytochrome to detect the change in photo period...

Phytochrome is a photoreceptor, a pigment that plants use to detect light. It is sensitive to light in the red and far-red region of the visible spectrum. Many flowering plants use it to regulate the time of flowering photoperiodism) based on the length of day and night ( and to set circadian rhythms. It also regulates other responses including the germination of seeds, elongation of seedlings, the size, shape and number of leaves, the synthesis of chlorophyll, and the straightening of the epicotyl or hypocotyl hook of dicot seedlings.
Biochemically, phytochrome is a protein with a bilin chromophore.
Phytochrome has been found in most plants including all higher plants; very similar molecules have been found in several bacteria. A fragment of a bacterial phytochrome now has a solved three-dimensional protein structure.
Other plant photoreceptors include cryptochromes and phototropins, which are sensitive to light in the blue and ultra-violet regions of the spectrum.



it's pretty easy...plants use phyto chrome to see light...when the photo period is right for certain plants......it triggers the flowering period....it's s fact...


more and more info on how the phytochrome system is used to detect photo period and trigger flowering........

Photoperiodism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Many flowering plants use the pigment phytochrome to sense seasonal changes in day length, which they take as signals to flower. Broadly, flowering plants can be classified as long day plants, short day plants, or day neutral plants.
Long day plants require a certain amount of daylight to initiate flowering (this was initially thought) it is now known that it is actually the night length that will influence the flowering, so a long day plant needs a short night which in turn will mean it has a long day. These plants flower in the spring or summer. Conversely, short day plants will flower when the length of daylight falls below a certain amount. Short day plants need the night to be longer and therefore the days are short, they will flower in late summer, autumn or winter. Day neutral plants do not initiate flowering based on photoperiodism i.e. they can flower regardless of the night length; some may use temperature (vernalization) instead.
A long day plant is a plant that requires less than a certain number of hours of night in each 24 hour period to induce flowering. Long day plants typically flower in the late spring or early summer.
A short day plant is a plant that cannot flower under the long days of summer. Short day plants typically flower in the fall of the year. These plants require a certain number of hours of darkness in each 24 hour period (a short daylength) before floral development can begin. Plants use the phytochrome system to sense day length or photoperiod.
A short day plant (long night) will not flower if a flash of light is used on the plant during the night. This does not occur from natural light such as lightning, fire flies, etc.
Phytochrome is converted to its active form by red light (660 nm), and its inactive form by far-red light (730 nm). Moonlight produces a greater percentage of far-red light than sunlight, so during the night the phytochrome is slowly converted to its inactive form. More phytochrome is converted in a longer night, allowing the plant to measure the length of the night.
Other instances of photoperiodism in plants include the growth of stems or roots during certain seasons, or the loss of leaves.

Long day plant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A long day plant is a plant that requires less than a certain number of hours of sunlight in each 24 hour period to induce flowering. Long day plants typically flower in the late spring or early summer Plants use the phytochrome system to sense daylength or photoperiod.

Short day plant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A short day plant is a plant that cannot flower under the long days of summer. Short day plants typically flower in the fall of the year. These plants require a certain number of hours of darkness in each 24 hour period (a short daylength) before development can begin. Plants use the phytochrome system to sense daylength or photoperiod.

i didn't make this up it's real........
this is why I have a bloom room on 12/12.....right?

bba said:

flowering does not start until your plant has shown sex..... period.

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I get my clones well rooted with pistils. they are showing sex when i get them, i already know they are female. I veg my plants with 18/6 lighting , & flower with 12/12. They do not start to flower until i change the lights. My clones would stay in veg until I switch the lights to 12/12.
Are you trying to say that my clones are flowering when i have the lights on 18/6?

and they still continue to embarrass themselves. funny.

1st day of flower is when i switch the lights. thats wot im sayin.

fdd2blk said:

what if it's a clone from a female? then when does flowering start?

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if the mother plant was sexually mature, then the clones would also be sexually mature. This is the instance most use, so yes when u switch the lights, you are indeed in flower.

The arguement here that nobody is catching, is that seedlings, and or plants not sexually mature, will take longer, because they ARE NOT sexually mature, and will keep growing "Veg" until they show sex. Once sex has been shown, then you can begin your flowering days.

so clones = sexually mature, USUALLY

seedlings or plants not mature will take longer......... PERIOD