The Freemasons

Martin Timothy

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Freemasonry is the oldest and largest world wide fraternity dedicated to the Brotherhood of Man under the sponsorship of a Supreme Being.



Although of a religious nature, Freemasonry is not a religion. It urges its members, however, to be faithful and devoted to their own religious beliefs. www.masons.com

Thus is a seeker introduced to Freemasonry.

Masons have been employed since the construction of the pyramids, they are the skilled tradesmen who travel from worksite to worksite, in the old days journeyman carpenters and stonemasons. Add welders and riggers, mechanical engineers and architects, substitute power stations for cathedrals, power lines for aqueducts and know that the tradition is well under way still. These peoples trade skills enable the transformation of drawings on paper, into real time three dimensional structures of steel and stone.

They were paid in Cheops time and still are, the edifice complex that drives the ego’s of kings, despots, and popes, fuels the journeyman worker’s lifestyle. They pay to keep skilled foreign tradesmen, indigenous populations then become envious, hostile that their country’s wealth is being squandered. The foreign oil workers employed in today’s Niger Delta regarded that way, no less than King Mausol of Crete’s stonemasons.

For that reason the skilled imported workforce kept to itself, similarly defensive of their own situation, entry into the guilds and trades that made up mason infrastructure was highly selective and involved lengthy apprenticeships and training schedules, reflected in the orders various degrees and levels of attainment of the Freemasons lodge of today. Their comeback to criticism is that they are working for wages, if the Pope, the King or Shell Oil want the job done, and if the money is right, they are up to the task. All involved, the masons, the king, and the oil companies, know that the local workforce lacks the skills.

In the nineteenth century, certificates such as this were commonly issued to Masons to show that they had taken the three degrees of Craft Masonry in a regular lodge. Wikipedia
Similarly the journeyman lifestyle brought them into lands with differing theological values, for that reason and so that they could remain aloof from local religious politics and squabbles, the masons developed a charter of universal acceptance under the aegis of a divine creator who demanded good and who punished misdeeds.

They were on a good wicket, paid well and living in comfortable well found accommodation, the job was going ahead, strict guild rules saw to it that accidental death and injury was rare, and that food and accommodation was up to scratch and that payment was received for money earned. Else by guild rules they would stop work, or go on strike as it is called today.

Today’s trade unions have Masonic origins. The Freemasons Lodge evolved as people from outside the traditional mason infrastructure sought to emulate the success of the masons, they adopted the camaraderie, the strictures and the mores that they had observed, established thru the morale and character building work ethic of the traveling workmen.

No gain without pain though, the populace where the Cathedral or Palace or Mausoleum gets built get the rough end of the pineapple most of the time. The mason reasons that local politics are not his affair, the job goes on provided guild requirements are met, lingering resentment is still felt throughout some places re this state of affairs, reflected in the hate directed at Freemasons on internet forums for instance.

Some Freemasons lodges appear to have been infiltrated by antisocial elements who have conducted subversive activities using the traditional reticence of Masonry as a cover for their illegal agenda, these people are regarded as private citizens as far as their curricular activities outside of freemasonry is concerned. Thus criminals are regarded as criminals no matter what, the Masonic response to a fellow mason who is a criminal, or who has been charged, must be that the matter should proceed under the law, with truth as punctually as is practicable.
 

poopmaster

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The upper level Masons spread disinfo to the lower level, as they can never know the true secrets. But then the lower people think they're the shit cause they have a *secret*.
 

Hiram420

Member
I did not expect to see threads about the Masons here. haha.. Let's just say not all Masons are a bunch of non-secular old men chasing gold chains and eating bad food. The new generation of younger, more secular Masons are taking over the reigns again and the future is looking brighter for the fraternity. I saw some other threads on here discussing their involvement in early American history and while this is very true, it isn't the Masonry you see today for the most part, they were a totally different breed all together. They were much more secular in nature and did not require any belief in a Supreme Being or other religious dogma. The Founding Fathers were very closely aligned with the Freemasonry from France and many were directly involved in the Age of Enlightenment such as Voltaire. So, if you want to get a better idea about them research the Grand Orient de France and I believe their U.S. counterpart the Grand Orient USA.
 
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Illegal Smile

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I did not expect to see threads about the Masons here. haha.. Let's just say not all Masons are a bunch of non-secular old men chasing gold chains and eating bad food. The new generation of younger, more secular Masons are taking over the reigns again and the future is looking brighter for the fraternity. I saw some other threads on here discussing their involvement in early American history and while this is very true, it isn't the Masonry you see today for the most part, they were a totally different breed all together. They were much more secular in nature and did not require any belief in a Supreme Being or other religious dogma. The Founding Fathers were very closely aligned with the Freemasonry from France and many were directly involved in the Age of Enlightenment such as Voltaire. So, if you want to get a better idea about them research the Grand Orient de France and I believe their U.S. counterpart the Grand Orient USA.
Interesting name, Hiram420. Go ahead and tell the story of Hiram.
 
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Illegal Smile

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its all bullshit
Psychiatrist Fritz Perls said that everything is shit and that there are three kinds of shit:

Chicken Shit: everyday life, work, conversation

Bullshit: politics and economics and most academics, technology etc

Elephant Shit: Zen, religion, cosmic ideology, some art etc

Based on that I think Masonry leans more toward elephant shit than bullshit.
 

That 5hit

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Psychiatrist Fritz Perls said that everything is shit and that there are three kinds of shit:

Chicken Shit: everyday life, work, conversation

Bullshit: politics and economics and most academics, technology etc

Elephant Shit: Zen, religion, cosmic ideology, some art etc

Based on that I think Masonry leans more toward elephant shit than bullshit.
now thats LOL

We are always watching... ;)
so what,, when are you guys going to step in and save us all
all you guys do is pay dues and get out of tickit and go to meeting nothing ever gets done by any org. you might as well be a frat. on a HBCU campus
the whole world is dieing and you guys want to talk about the unseen hand
seems like the unseen hand stays in the unseen pocket
we have places flooded with gang its a war zone - kids starving - weak people being prayed upon - cars putting out 10,000 time more cancer causing agents then any cig. even if we all smoke every day all day for a year - radio wave - sats- cats - magnetic fields and cell phone towers and wifi - a hole in the ozone just so the real they can land and launch ships:wall::fire:
 

Hiram420

Member
My apologies, I should have just let this thread be, it can bring out the best and the worst in some people. There is so much disinformation on the net by various individuals and groups, including many Masons that I wanted to give you some places to get at the real truth. It is such a complex subject and with so much disinformation, an extremely high percentage of the Masons do not even understand their own history. Oddly enough, there are a couple of good books by authors, who are not Masons, that do an excellent job of explaining the history quite well. "Revolutionary Brotherhood" by Stephen Bullock and (forgot the books names) by Professor Margret Jacob at UCLA are a great start. Good luck and good reading, it is quite a fascinating subject, when it can be discussed like gentlemen and ladies.
 

That 5hit

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once again the past is the past who really cares
what are you doing for the future thats what maters to me
everyone wants to talk about majic and spells and secrets
ssssSSHHHH,... hush now dont tell anyone we meet to play ping pong in brother jim's basement
so what
whats on there to do list..... nothing
if they told you then they might have to get off there ass and do something about it

take a dollar bill and fold it this way then hold it up to a light then...... wow really give a 5hit
 

robert 14617

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once again the past is the past who really cares
what are you doing for the future thats what maters to me
everyone wants to talk about majic and spells and secrets
ssssSSHHHH,... hush now dont tell anyone we meet to play ping pong in brother jim's basement
so what
whats on there to do list..... nothing
if they told you then they might have to get off there ass and do something about it

take a dollar bill and fold it this way then hold it up to a light then...... wow really give a 5hit
so fuck the shiners and every org. that doesn't report there every contribution to you?
 

SocataSmoker

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now thats LOL


so what,, when are you guys going to step in and save us all
all you guys do is pay dues and get out of tickit and go to meeting nothing ever gets done by any org. you might as well be a frat. on a HBCU campus
the whole world is dieing and you guys want to talk about the unseen hand
seems like the unseen hand stays in the unseen pocket
we have places flooded with gang its a war zone - kids starving - weak people being prayed upon - cars putting out 10,000 time more cancer causing agents then any cig. even if we all smoke every day all day for a year - radio wave - sats- cats - magnetic fields and cell phone towers and wifi - a hole in the ozone just so the real they can land and launch ships:wall::fire:

The thing you don't understand is... we take care of our own. And, in other related news... my lodge just finished helping build a shelter here in my state. I suggest you go to a meeting, and just see what they talk about...
 

That 5hit

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so fuck the shiners and every org. that doesn't report there every contribution to you?
The thing you don't understand is... we take care of our own. And, in other related news... my lodge just finished helping build a shelter here in my state. I suggest you go to a meeting, and just see what they talk about...
so maybe im worng and maybe i right
but nothing good ever come from keeping secrets - dont like the way they make me feel like there hiding something
 

SocataSmoker

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so maybe im worng and maybe i right
but nothing good ever come from keeping secrets - dont like the way they make me feel like there hiding something

Well then you should make your feelings known about that to EVERY organization in this world, they all have secrets... the charities that take more than they say, or give less than they say. The churches, just study up on the Knights of Columbus, by the word I've heard of them... they will kill any non-Catholic man, woman, or child if an all out war occurs within the various religious denominations... is that truth or just a rumor? Who knows...
 
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