The Game Is Rigged But You Can Change It

For the guy who doesnt know whats going on...
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abandonconflict said:

Looking for a devil to blame humanity's problems on? Why not take responsibility for our own folly and leave false gods out of this? It is time the human race learned to wipe it's own ass. A few greedy people cornered the markets together and the rest of us have been buying their junk ever since. Money is a commodity as much as any other commodity that is traded. Of course the people who own the means of production of the world's most traded commodity (currency) are going to control the entire economy. That doesn't mean they work for Satan. It just means that they will continue to have power until you learn to boycott currency. We killed 'God' with methodological naturalism. If you want to be free from the oppression of the few, you need to learn to live with out the commodities which they own the means of production of. Control your own medicine, fuel, food. It seems unthinkable in this day and age to boycott oil, that is why they have such a strong hold over us. They can even send us to war.

"THEY" are not some secret cabal hell bent on running your life, they are greedy people with an upper hand. They don't answer to Beelzebub, they answer to greed.

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Couldn't agree more..so wtf are you argueing or upset about?

it seems be this:

"Looking for a devil to blame humanity's problems on?"

Can I ask you wtf does your hatred for spirtiuality have to do with this really? Not a whole not unless you make it so, to be fair, it has EVERYTHING to do with political philosophy and at the same time NOTHING to do with it. It is only what you make it. If you simply remove that sentence that seems to come from out in left field then I agree with everything you wrote entirely. Your kind of injecting this one beef you have into this for no good reason really and its creating some kind of block, why is it people have these little blocks that keep them from seeing the truth fully? I find a lot of people are borderline down the rabbit hole such as yourself but there is just one random mental block that distorts the whole processes, for you it seems to be your hatred for religion/spirituality. Open your mind Neo..


So what will it be neo...Red Pill or Blue Pill?

lifegoesonbrah said:

I looked at the figures of the study, I didn't read the spiritual conclusion. I am not basing my theory of economic control solely on this article, the results of the study simply match that of my theory that political corruption is rampant and money controls many aspects of our political system. I base this of of many factors such as campaign contributions, The Federal Reserve, lobbyist, voter fraud, political parties, super PAC financing etc... Please don't assume that I believe in a bigger picture of economic control simply based on the conclusions of this article, as it is through many "coincidences" that I base my opinion. You cannot deny humanities lust to control others nor can you deny history which supports this theory.

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I agree with this. There is systematic control being exerted over the economy and I agree it is undeniable. I get kind of viscous about shooting down fallacies if there seems to be a religious involvement and that is something I can tone down.

The thing that stuck out for me to attack is that "chaos theory" was used to order arbitrary numbers into a pattern in order to reach the conclusion that it wasn't chaos after all. The fractal nature pattern is fine for something that has no design, but is truly mismatched to this example. The economy is clearly being controlled and therefore chaos theory can not find a pattern, the pattern comes from order. It would be like if I tried to use evolution to prove a Christian fundamentalist viewpoint. Besides, not all fractal patterns start with the same ratio. Furthermore, this study comes from a group of people who I know from experience wishes to spread a religious message. Although, I jumped the gun calling this thread an appeal to spirituality, it isn't, I'm sorry. I still think you're misguided to seek wisdom from a cult leader, but that is your business.

PetFlora said:

? Let's start with the bank bail out money: homeowners cannot get loans funded or refinancing, consquently being foreclosed on. The only business I see thriving is building banks. No less than 20 of them where I live. They are even buying existing buildings like Bennigans Restaurant (free standing buildings) tearing them down and building new banks, and yet local business are closing at an alarming rate.

Domino, you be may comfortable now, but not much longer. No matter what business you are involved in,once the customer is broke they won't be buying goods and services. Financial collapse is inevitable unless we through The Fed out first, then clean up the rest

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You are a cliche short of a full pie...

deprave said:

Couldn't agree more..so wtf are you argueing or upset about?

it seems be this:

"Looking for a devil to blame humanity's problems on?"

Can I ask you wtf does your hatred for spirtiuality have to do with this really? Not a whole not unless you make it so, to be fair, it has EVERYTHING to do with political philosophy and at the same time NOTHING to do with it. It is only what you make it. If you simply remove that sentence that seems to come from out in left field then I agree with everything you wrote entirely. Your kind of injecting this one beef you have into this for no good reason really and its creating some kind of block, why is it people have these little blocks that keep them from seeing the truth fully? I find a lot of people are borderline down the rabbit hole such as yourself but there is just one random mental block that distorts the whole processes, for you it seems to be your hatred for religion/spirituality. Open your mind Neo..


So what will it be neo...Red Pill or Blue Pill?

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It isn't hatred of spirituality, it is my contempt for pseudoscience.

With the article aside, I think it is safe to say we are all in agreement on the underlying issue.

abandonconflict said:

It isn't hatred of spirituality, it is my contempt for pseudoscience.

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very well...so is it rational or logical? Can you point out to us the flawed pseudoscience in this? I see it. The study isn't objective and not really scientific at all, fair enough. I can't say I disagree with that or the website sourced which seems to be honest sketchy at best. I do however, agree with the overall premise. I must say that is really the major flaw with the David Ickes'; they see the big picture but your correct in that they sort of feed on this type of 'pseudosciene' like sensationalist. I think what they do have right is two things in the overall premise and that is firstly that money and the monetary system is the root of all evil and they stray away from that into lizardman land, as you might say they become off base themselves. Secondly, I think the connection they make GENERALLY with spirituallity and political philoshopy is legitimate at its core but again strays off into lala land.

TLDR: I am not defending the article or "study" just defending the overall premise.

I like a lot of what the David Icke's & Alex Jones have to say and they are opening minds but they are sensationalist, deceptive, and get quite carried away. This is a video I found of David Icke' and Alex Jones' I think kind of show their more positive rational qualities on why they are waking people up:

[video=youtube;vC1wP-_0U_I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC1wP-_0U_I[/video]

deprave said:

very well...so is it rational or logical? Can you point out to us the flawed pseudoscience in this? I see it. The study is objective and not really scientific at all, fair enough. I can't say I disagree with that or the website sourced which seems to be honest sketchy at best. I do however, agree with the overall premise. I must say that is really the major flaw with the David Ickes'; they see the big picture but your correct in that they sort of feed on this type of 'pseudosciene' like sensationalist. I think what they do have right is two things in the overall premise and that is firstly that money and the monetary system is the root of all evil and they stray away from that into lizardman land, as you might say they become off base themselves. Secondly, I think the connection they make GENERALLY with spirituallity and political philoshopy is legitimate at its core but again strays off into lala land.

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In post 23 I pointed out the fallacy. I have been working on being tolerant of religious people. It's hard. We all need to grow.