OB Cron Kenobi
Well-Known Member
Ok I must first thank rollitup.org for providing me with much of what I know. I came to this site two years ago knowing nothing and what it has given me is invaluable. I must secondly apologize to the great RIU community for my disappearance- as I have been too busy to take, or post, pictures of all of my crops since the first. However, much has been learned and merits sharing.
Perhaps the most important thing I feel the need to pass on is the importance of genetics. Its simply not worth growing bagseed. Tried it, sub par results for the effort.
With that said, I have chosen Greenhouse Seeds as my genetic line for past and future harvests. At some point I may choose to switch in order to get unfeminized seeds and breed. But for now Greenhouse has been doing me great!
I created this thread as an opportunity for others with experience with Greenhouse strains to provide a brief grow summary (methods and yield) as well as a smoke report.
Please do not use this as an opportunity to inquire about a certain strain, or bash on a specific strain or Greenhouse. Those threads and forums exist elsewhere.
I have grown and will report on: White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Neville's Haze, Arjan's Ultra Haze #1, Trainwreck, Arjan's Strawberry Haze, Hawaiian Snow and El Nino
*Note: All plants were flowered under a 400 Watt HPS and vegged under a four foot 6 bulb t5. Some were soil, some hydro, and some both. I'll indicate.
In order to minimize off topic questions, any questions concerning my grow room and unrelated to the strains can be PM'd to me.
White Widow:
I grew White Widow in Organic Soil with Organic nutes (The complete fox farm line and other supplements). She stayed much shorter than what I was lead to believe. With 5 weeks veg she stayed around 3 or so feet. She was not tempermental and did not herm. Very good single cola production (not topped or lst'd in anyway). She yielded 32 grams. The bud was quite dense. Popcorn in structure, with larger buds at the crown of the plant. The smoke was quite lemony. I couldn't get past the lemon taste and scent as it was not what i had been told to expect. The high was a very smooth come on with a very sedate following stone. The indica dominance was evident in this particular plant not just in its short stature but also its smooth and narcotic high. I enjoyed this one highly among the rest, but in favor of diversity and the hope for a better yielding and potentially more potent strain I would not grow it again.
Super Silver Haze:
I have grown SSH at least twice now. Once in soil and once in hydro for sure. The soil plant was given the same fox farm complete package with supplements as the WW. It must have been some pheno because it was not the tall, thinner, and lankier sativa dominant haze that it often appears as. Instead it flowered under two feet tall and with incredibly dense cola construction up nearly the last foot of the plant. She yielded 23 grams. The smoke was very earthy, hazy, and really lingered in the air and in the mouth. The high with this plant (both hydro and soil versions) is one of the best all around highs. It facilitates any activity while still giving that narcotic feeling that reminds you that you are indeed blown out through whatever you do. And it seems to last an ungodly long time. The hydro version was the taller girl I expected. She was grown with much of the advanced nutrient line. With her lankier sativa style came fluffier nugs. Her buds were much airier and less tastefull. The high was still impressive and the yield was over 40 grams so I was happy. If I knew she were more consistent I'd be more likely to grow her again.
Neville's Haze:
In organic soil with the foxfarm complete package along with supplements this girl grew astoundingly fast. I do not recommend her for any beginners or really anyone growing indoors for practical purposes. If you really desire that particular type of plant- or if you are trying to challenge yourself she is the girl for you. I did not get her to fruition. She quickly jumped to 5+ feet in flowering, and despite all the tying her down I could do, she rapidly outpaced the rest of the canopy. This however is not what killed her... it was me. Neville's Haze is an incredibly nute sensitive sativa and while pouring nutrients and bragging about never burning a plant I decided to push the limits. She pushed back and was unsavable. However- I am now growing this narly girl again and I can repeat much of the same. She grows tall fast and flowers long! She is sensitive. Many journals and dispensaries warn growers that they will probably loose all leaves during flowering but not to give up- if gone the full 14! 14 weeks she will be great smoke. I have yet to finish her, shes 5 weeks into flowering and looking ahead of a 14 week schedule. Her steam is almost bigger around than my thumb to index finger and she has a thick canopy of buds reaching towards the sky like little baby arms to a tit.
Arjan's Ultra Haze #1:
Grown in soil and hydro. Soil one was grown with the foxfarm complete package and some supplements. The hydro one was grown using advanced nutrients sensi line and many of their supplements. Both had an incredibly taste and smell. In the grow room it was hardly offensive. It smelt like vegetables or slightly herby, but like you would expect any green growing plant to smell. This worried me, but when cut, and cured it leaves and incredibly herby, earthy, minty, almost zest that was incredibly unique and refreshing to taste. With a shorter soil plant I yielded 33 grams and with 2 taller much bushier hydro plants I yielded 43 and 38 grams respectively. The nugs have a very unique formation with the calayx's stacking on top of each other. Giving the buds an almost dready look, with long locks/strands of calayx's forming the buds. Also one of my favorite all around highs. A little lighter in stone than the super silver haze this one seems to be more motivational and thought provoking. I would grow this one again for its great yields, unique characteristics, and good all around high.
Trainwreck:
MY FAVORITE SO FAR! I WILL GROW THIS ONE AGAIN. There's not enough good things to say about the Trainwreck, so I'll try to be more critical- but don't get it confused, this shit is some of the dopest dope. I grew this in an organic soil mix with foxfarm nutes and some additional supplements and was disappointed with low yields of 23 and 25 grams per plant. However I will say, she seemed to be an easy plant to grow, no burning or herming. I think the low yields were do to relatively big internodal spacing and buds just not developing enough in the last two weeks (popcorn buds). I also think I should have given the soil Trainwreck an extra week or two, rather than the 8.5 they got. The hydro Trainwrecks were a joy to grow! Everytime I poked my head in the room their leaves were perked up towards the artificial sun god- they could not have been happier to grow. The internodal spacing was still more than I would expect or desire from most Indica's. However, the nugs really filled out this time, perhaps as a result of going 10.5 weeks. With the yields at 46 and 39 grams I was delighted. The smoke for both the organic soil and hydro chem is amazing! The organic soil smoke is very lemony skunky tasting. The high is shorter lived and more consistent. Less actual wreck feeling. However, the hydro is something else. Of the two plants, one has cured to a lemony smelling zest similar to the organic. And the other one, despite all the burping I've done smells straight up retarded. Yes, thats the word I chose retarded. This wont make it appeal to you. But it smells like a special care home for mentally handicapped adults. In other words it smells like if you smoke it you and those around you will end up shitting your pants brain dead. And while not quite giving you the shit in the pants, brain dead is not far off. The wreck feeling hits instantaneously and is narcotic bliss. Head spins, sweats, expansion of the lungs all go hand in hand with this incredibly pungent smoke. I don't sell even a gram of what I grow, but this stuff has the best bag appeal I have ever seen- including that which I've bought. It shines with trichs and is a beautiful lime green color. Truly amazing weed. Highly recommended for medicinal/narcotic use. Not for those who like to get high and accomplish a lot. Great for Hydro. Loves to be topped around the 5-6th node to encourage tighter spacing. I also recommend using Humboldt county Bushmaster and Gravity to tighten spacing. Seemed to work for me.
Arjan's Srawberry Haze
This plant makes me bitter. I had incredibly high hopes for this plant. Having seen Haze's go to fruition before, I was really hoping for amazing taste and great yield. However, I will say that the reason Strawberry Haze got its name is not just for its taste, but for its growing structure. It grows like a Strawberry plant. Incredibly short (mine was around a foot) with little to no side branching. I grew only one of these, and I'll admit the poor girl was crowded out by much bigger plants and she probably didnt get the best light, but from the start she was the runt. Despite her incredibly sad height and yield (5 grams from an entire plant! see why I am bitter?). She did provide perhaps the best taste I have ever smoked in my life. So good that I have saved about .5 of a gram and continue to burp it and smell it when life has me down. It is the most uplifting taste and smell. Soo fruity, not like authentic strawberries, but like that sexy blondes pink gooey strawberry lip gloss. Or what I think it smells most like is a Juicy J Strawberry Fields blunt wrap. But with 5 grams only- I wasn't about to roll this stuff into a blunt. The high was decent. Very uplifting, motivational, and happy go lucky. Seems to make me forgetful, it was not hard to find myself standing somewhere and wonder what brought me there. Unique smoke. I would love to buy this at a shop, and may grow it again someday to see if it was just me or her. I believe if she is to be grown she is probably better with less nutes and not grown along other varieties. I believe if I would've had an even canopy where she was given equal light she may have been an entirely different story.
Hawaiian Snow:
I have grown her in both organic soil with Fox Farm nutes and additional supplements and am currently growing her hydroponically with Advanced Nutes Sensi line and a bunch of their supplements. Hawaiian Snow in the organic soil was incredibly sensitive to nutes. She was almost killed with the Neville's Haze nute burn incident and was revived. As a result she was damaged, hermed, and was not grade A smoke. She was however a heavy yielder at over 40 grams. The buds were quite fluffy and even when fully ready for chop a bit light in pistil color. Shes incredibly thin leaved and branched which allowed for good light penetration. From the start of flowering she had a very unique smell, quite seriously like a sweet onion. Her finishing taste was just the same. Burping the jar was either described as sour fruity peoples or sweet onions- either way, a unique funk. The high was very uplifting and inspirational. Very cerebral- with a sensation that can be described as if things were just a little brighter/more colorful. A good smoke for those with anxiety issues or a busy schedule. However just like the Neville's Haze she is proving to be a giant. In 4.5 gallon soil buckets she finished at just around 6 ft. In hydro she is probably well over 6 ft however I have done just about everything I can to constrain her by tying her down. The hydro plant also has that very characteristic sweet onion smell. I will be curious to she how she turns out in hydro. I've yet to have any issues with her and she looks to be on track to be quite an example. However, due to her enormous height and fluffy nugs I will not grow her again. But again, to try her at a shop would probably be a treat for the taste buds as well as mind.
El Nino:
El Nino I did not personally grow, but I did a majority of the design and construction for the grow room and helped when called on. This particular plant was grown using CFL's (I dont know how many, if asked I'll dig up the answer). In a DWC hydro tank built into a stealth dresser. Using just one plant and a SCROG along with topping and LST'ing my friend was able to yield 3 oz off one stealth plant. He used General Hydroponic nutrients with the Fox Farm 3 pack of powders. I had always told him he would never grow bud with CFL's that came close to my 400watt HPS pride and joy. But he showed me wrong. The El Nino had ridiculously fat orange hairs- it looked like fake movie bud, too good to be true. A very mango-berry taste, and an incredibly well rounded high. Thought provoking and relaxing. Good for conversing with friends about casual topics- perhaps a little to stoney to start debating serious issues, but a great all around high. The size of the buds and the great bushiness of this plant make it an amazing plant for cabinet grows. I never expected him to yield 3 oz out of that stealth dresser. Highly recommended for CFL growers or those looking to fit alot of plants in a small area. She was easy to grow, handled nutes, and was not hard to top or train.
If you have any experience smoking and or growing a Greenhouse strain (example: not just any White Widow, but GHS White Widow) then please comment with your grow and or smoke report.
I will soon be finishing Neville's Haze and Hawaiian Snow in Hydro and will be starting either Kings Kush or Great White Shark depending on which pack I want to open first.
My goal is to have a thread that individuals looking at Greenhouse Seeds can use to find links to grow reports of those threads as well as quick summaries of each.
Perhaps the most important thing I feel the need to pass on is the importance of genetics. Its simply not worth growing bagseed. Tried it, sub par results for the effort.
With that said, I have chosen Greenhouse Seeds as my genetic line for past and future harvests. At some point I may choose to switch in order to get unfeminized seeds and breed. But for now Greenhouse has been doing me great!
I created this thread as an opportunity for others with experience with Greenhouse strains to provide a brief grow summary (methods and yield) as well as a smoke report.
Please do not use this as an opportunity to inquire about a certain strain, or bash on a specific strain or Greenhouse. Those threads and forums exist elsewhere.
I have grown and will report on: White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Neville's Haze, Arjan's Ultra Haze #1, Trainwreck, Arjan's Strawberry Haze, Hawaiian Snow and El Nino
*Note: All plants were flowered under a 400 Watt HPS and vegged under a four foot 6 bulb t5. Some were soil, some hydro, and some both. I'll indicate.
In order to minimize off topic questions, any questions concerning my grow room and unrelated to the strains can be PM'd to me.
White Widow:
I grew White Widow in Organic Soil with Organic nutes (The complete fox farm line and other supplements). She stayed much shorter than what I was lead to believe. With 5 weeks veg she stayed around 3 or so feet. She was not tempermental and did not herm. Very good single cola production (not topped or lst'd in anyway). She yielded 32 grams. The bud was quite dense. Popcorn in structure, with larger buds at the crown of the plant. The smoke was quite lemony. I couldn't get past the lemon taste and scent as it was not what i had been told to expect. The high was a very smooth come on with a very sedate following stone. The indica dominance was evident in this particular plant not just in its short stature but also its smooth and narcotic high. I enjoyed this one highly among the rest, but in favor of diversity and the hope for a better yielding and potentially more potent strain I would not grow it again.
Super Silver Haze:
I have grown SSH at least twice now. Once in soil and once in hydro for sure. The soil plant was given the same fox farm complete package with supplements as the WW. It must have been some pheno because it was not the tall, thinner, and lankier sativa dominant haze that it often appears as. Instead it flowered under two feet tall and with incredibly dense cola construction up nearly the last foot of the plant. She yielded 23 grams. The smoke was very earthy, hazy, and really lingered in the air and in the mouth. The high with this plant (both hydro and soil versions) is one of the best all around highs. It facilitates any activity while still giving that narcotic feeling that reminds you that you are indeed blown out through whatever you do. And it seems to last an ungodly long time. The hydro version was the taller girl I expected. She was grown with much of the advanced nutrient line. With her lankier sativa style came fluffier nugs. Her buds were much airier and less tastefull. The high was still impressive and the yield was over 40 grams so I was happy. If I knew she were more consistent I'd be more likely to grow her again.
Neville's Haze:
In organic soil with the foxfarm complete package along with supplements this girl grew astoundingly fast. I do not recommend her for any beginners or really anyone growing indoors for practical purposes. If you really desire that particular type of plant- or if you are trying to challenge yourself she is the girl for you. I did not get her to fruition. She quickly jumped to 5+ feet in flowering, and despite all the tying her down I could do, she rapidly outpaced the rest of the canopy. This however is not what killed her... it was me. Neville's Haze is an incredibly nute sensitive sativa and while pouring nutrients and bragging about never burning a plant I decided to push the limits. She pushed back and was unsavable. However- I am now growing this narly girl again and I can repeat much of the same. She grows tall fast and flowers long! She is sensitive. Many journals and dispensaries warn growers that they will probably loose all leaves during flowering but not to give up- if gone the full 14! 14 weeks she will be great smoke. I have yet to finish her, shes 5 weeks into flowering and looking ahead of a 14 week schedule. Her steam is almost bigger around than my thumb to index finger and she has a thick canopy of buds reaching towards the sky like little baby arms to a tit.
Arjan's Ultra Haze #1:
Grown in soil and hydro. Soil one was grown with the foxfarm complete package and some supplements. The hydro one was grown using advanced nutrients sensi line and many of their supplements. Both had an incredibly taste and smell. In the grow room it was hardly offensive. It smelt like vegetables or slightly herby, but like you would expect any green growing plant to smell. This worried me, but when cut, and cured it leaves and incredibly herby, earthy, minty, almost zest that was incredibly unique and refreshing to taste. With a shorter soil plant I yielded 33 grams and with 2 taller much bushier hydro plants I yielded 43 and 38 grams respectively. The nugs have a very unique formation with the calayx's stacking on top of each other. Giving the buds an almost dready look, with long locks/strands of calayx's forming the buds. Also one of my favorite all around highs. A little lighter in stone than the super silver haze this one seems to be more motivational and thought provoking. I would grow this one again for its great yields, unique characteristics, and good all around high.
Trainwreck:
MY FAVORITE SO FAR! I WILL GROW THIS ONE AGAIN. There's not enough good things to say about the Trainwreck, so I'll try to be more critical- but don't get it confused, this shit is some of the dopest dope. I grew this in an organic soil mix with foxfarm nutes and some additional supplements and was disappointed with low yields of 23 and 25 grams per plant. However I will say, she seemed to be an easy plant to grow, no burning or herming. I think the low yields were do to relatively big internodal spacing and buds just not developing enough in the last two weeks (popcorn buds). I also think I should have given the soil Trainwreck an extra week or two, rather than the 8.5 they got. The hydro Trainwrecks were a joy to grow! Everytime I poked my head in the room their leaves were perked up towards the artificial sun god- they could not have been happier to grow. The internodal spacing was still more than I would expect or desire from most Indica's. However, the nugs really filled out this time, perhaps as a result of going 10.5 weeks. With the yields at 46 and 39 grams I was delighted. The smoke for both the organic soil and hydro chem is amazing! The organic soil smoke is very lemony skunky tasting. The high is shorter lived and more consistent. Less actual wreck feeling. However, the hydro is something else. Of the two plants, one has cured to a lemony smelling zest similar to the organic. And the other one, despite all the burping I've done smells straight up retarded. Yes, thats the word I chose retarded. This wont make it appeal to you. But it smells like a special care home for mentally handicapped adults. In other words it smells like if you smoke it you and those around you will end up shitting your pants brain dead. And while not quite giving you the shit in the pants, brain dead is not far off. The wreck feeling hits instantaneously and is narcotic bliss. Head spins, sweats, expansion of the lungs all go hand in hand with this incredibly pungent smoke. I don't sell even a gram of what I grow, but this stuff has the best bag appeal I have ever seen- including that which I've bought. It shines with trichs and is a beautiful lime green color. Truly amazing weed. Highly recommended for medicinal/narcotic use. Not for those who like to get high and accomplish a lot. Great for Hydro. Loves to be topped around the 5-6th node to encourage tighter spacing. I also recommend using Humboldt county Bushmaster and Gravity to tighten spacing. Seemed to work for me.
Arjan's Srawberry Haze
This plant makes me bitter. I had incredibly high hopes for this plant. Having seen Haze's go to fruition before, I was really hoping for amazing taste and great yield. However, I will say that the reason Strawberry Haze got its name is not just for its taste, but for its growing structure. It grows like a Strawberry plant. Incredibly short (mine was around a foot) with little to no side branching. I grew only one of these, and I'll admit the poor girl was crowded out by much bigger plants and she probably didnt get the best light, but from the start she was the runt. Despite her incredibly sad height and yield (5 grams from an entire plant! see why I am bitter?). She did provide perhaps the best taste I have ever smoked in my life. So good that I have saved about .5 of a gram and continue to burp it and smell it when life has me down. It is the most uplifting taste and smell. Soo fruity, not like authentic strawberries, but like that sexy blondes pink gooey strawberry lip gloss. Or what I think it smells most like is a Juicy J Strawberry Fields blunt wrap. But with 5 grams only- I wasn't about to roll this stuff into a blunt. The high was decent. Very uplifting, motivational, and happy go lucky. Seems to make me forgetful, it was not hard to find myself standing somewhere and wonder what brought me there. Unique smoke. I would love to buy this at a shop, and may grow it again someday to see if it was just me or her. I believe if she is to be grown she is probably better with less nutes and not grown along other varieties. I believe if I would've had an even canopy where she was given equal light she may have been an entirely different story.
Hawaiian Snow:
I have grown her in both organic soil with Fox Farm nutes and additional supplements and am currently growing her hydroponically with Advanced Nutes Sensi line and a bunch of their supplements. Hawaiian Snow in the organic soil was incredibly sensitive to nutes. She was almost killed with the Neville's Haze nute burn incident and was revived. As a result she was damaged, hermed, and was not grade A smoke. She was however a heavy yielder at over 40 grams. The buds were quite fluffy and even when fully ready for chop a bit light in pistil color. Shes incredibly thin leaved and branched which allowed for good light penetration. From the start of flowering she had a very unique smell, quite seriously like a sweet onion. Her finishing taste was just the same. Burping the jar was either described as sour fruity peoples or sweet onions- either way, a unique funk. The high was very uplifting and inspirational. Very cerebral- with a sensation that can be described as if things were just a little brighter/more colorful. A good smoke for those with anxiety issues or a busy schedule. However just like the Neville's Haze she is proving to be a giant. In 4.5 gallon soil buckets she finished at just around 6 ft. In hydro she is probably well over 6 ft however I have done just about everything I can to constrain her by tying her down. The hydro plant also has that very characteristic sweet onion smell. I will be curious to she how she turns out in hydro. I've yet to have any issues with her and she looks to be on track to be quite an example. However, due to her enormous height and fluffy nugs I will not grow her again. But again, to try her at a shop would probably be a treat for the taste buds as well as mind.
El Nino:
El Nino I did not personally grow, but I did a majority of the design and construction for the grow room and helped when called on. This particular plant was grown using CFL's (I dont know how many, if asked I'll dig up the answer). In a DWC hydro tank built into a stealth dresser. Using just one plant and a SCROG along with topping and LST'ing my friend was able to yield 3 oz off one stealth plant. He used General Hydroponic nutrients with the Fox Farm 3 pack of powders. I had always told him he would never grow bud with CFL's that came close to my 400watt HPS pride and joy. But he showed me wrong. The El Nino had ridiculously fat orange hairs- it looked like fake movie bud, too good to be true. A very mango-berry taste, and an incredibly well rounded high. Thought provoking and relaxing. Good for conversing with friends about casual topics- perhaps a little to stoney to start debating serious issues, but a great all around high. The size of the buds and the great bushiness of this plant make it an amazing plant for cabinet grows. I never expected him to yield 3 oz out of that stealth dresser. Highly recommended for CFL growers or those looking to fit alot of plants in a small area. She was easy to grow, handled nutes, and was not hard to top or train.
If you have any experience smoking and or growing a Greenhouse strain (example: not just any White Widow, but GHS White Widow) then please comment with your grow and or smoke report.
I will soon be finishing Neville's Haze and Hawaiian Snow in Hydro and will be starting either Kings Kush or Great White Shark depending on which pack I want to open first.
My goal is to have a thread that individuals looking at Greenhouse Seeds can use to find links to grow reports of those threads as well as quick summaries of each.
