The Official Canna Coco & Nutrients Thread

[laceygirl]

I love Canna products.. I am using them currently in my hydro system with a bottom fed resivor where nutrients are mixed to feed water. I have been using their nutrients for about 2 years now (or Home and Garden if I can't find Canna) and I just started using Boost for the first time in this crop. Boost is pretty expensive and I am hoping it is worth the additional costs. What are your thoughts on their "Boost" product?

I wont use boost again... Its an overrated product... I've been using canna for about 8 years and I used my first bottle for this grow from the beginning of flower... Let me tell you I didn't see a noticable difference... Some peple swear by it...

I like PK13-14 much more... It actually works, its not as expensive and you only have to use it for a week to see explosive results... I would have needed 2 litres of boost for my 11 week flowering of my white widow... PK 13-14 came in at week 6-7 and did the job in 6 days... Really amazing stuff... Use it and see what you think, but from this grower Boost=nothing special..

to canna for putting an overpriced, natural fertilzer on the market...

Otherwise I love all their products especially Rhizotonic and Cannazym... I use Rhizo thru my entire grow and Cannazym when they need a little pick me up...I have to buy more actually...

 

[laceygirl]

Hi

The website Canna says to add - CannaZym (with every watering, but my friends have been told + in the shop that is much, and I must take it easy on it.
Whats do you say from http://www.canna-no.com/growguide For 10 liters I got 18ml Canna A, 18ML CANNA B + Rhizotonic 14ml. CannaZym 40mil

I know they are my friends, and have been doing it for a while, but if the webiste, and Canna says Cannazym everytime, but they say no do it 1/10 or so

Need som input

Thx

Lykken

CannaZym I have been told it kills of bad roots, etc

Canna are always very heavy handed with their nutrients that way you will buy more of their product... But it is an excellent product but I always do about 100 PPM less than what the website tells me.. Except when flowering... I also use Rhizotonic at full strength because it is gentler but totally awesome... Don't use Cannazym unless your plants are looking a little tired... Its just for root health... Its turns the older roots back into sugar for the plants...Its an nice little additive... Just stick with your usual canna nutes and Rhizo.... Cannazym is for sick or tired plants... Its like A vitamin b12 shot for your plants. (metaphorically lol).....Laceygirl....

 

[lykken]

Canna are always very heavy handed with their nutrients that way you will buy more of their product... But it is an excellent product but I always do about 100 PPM less than what the website tells me.. Except when flowering... I also use Rhizotonic at full strength because it is gentler but totally awesome... Don't use Cannazym unless your plants are looking a little tired... Its just for root health... Its turns the older roots back into sugar for the plants...Its an nice little additive... Just stick with your usual canna nutes and Rhizo.... Cannazym is for sick or tired plants... Its like A vitamin b12 shot for your plants. (metaphorically lol).....Laceygirl....

Thank

I have never use it yet, until now I just made a 13 liter mix. They did say 35ml, but i just used 26 or so... My plants are
(lcloning 8 days) + 12 days = 20 days or so.. But I have given the other stuff.... once

So, does it sound ok, or shall i reduse it? or get more..

Edit: Yeah, my plants looks a bit tired, they had some burns, and lack of N but, looks ok now. Aswell for the mistace of using 8PH when I cloned (forgot the Ph)
This is my first time growing, so still a noob allright

 

[laceygirl]

Thank

I have never use it yet, until now I just made a 13 liter mix. They did say 35ml, but i just used 26 or so... My plants are
(lcloning 8 days) + 12 days = 20 days or so.. But I have given the other stuff.... once

So, does it sound ok, or shall i reduse it? or get more..

Edit: Yeah, my plants looks a bit tired, they had some burns, and lack of N but, looks ok now. Aswell for the mistace of using 8PH when I cloned (forgot the Ph)
This is my first time growing, so still a noob allright

Boost doesn't affect your PPM or your EC... But it does make the water thicker as it has a good viscosity about it... I couldn't even see the water heater in the bottom of my reservior when i was using it...

You can use it at full strength after you get them used to it... 5-6 days should be enough time....Canna likes a low pH of around 5.6-6.5.... Canna Classic anyway...
What other nutrients are you using..?
What's your Vega and Flowering Nutrient..?

 

[jberry]

i use the cannazym at 9ml per gallon about once a week during the last 5 weeks of flowering...

they recommend running 18ml per gallon threw the coco at least once before reusing and prepping it for another grow.

 

[lykken]

Boost doesn't affect your PPM or your EC... But it does make the water thicker as it has a good viscosity about it... I couldn't even see the water heater in the bottom of my reservior when i was using it...

You can use it at full strength after you get them used to it... 5-6 days should be enough time....Canna likes a low pH of around 5.6-6.5.... Canna Classic anyway...
What other nutrients are you using..?
What's your Vega and Flowering Nutrient..?

Ehh Dunno

But I got Canna a + B + Rhizotonic CannaZym + PK 13/14 Thats It :9

I just follow the recipe ^^

Edit: + COCO mix: This Dude http://www.basementlighting.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?page=1/PROD/BBCM with some pellets, small rocks At the buttom

 

[lykken]

i use the cannazym at 9ml per gallon about once a week during the last 5 weeks of flowering...

they recommend running 18ml per gallon threw the coco at least once before reusing and prepping it for another grow.

My plants had a bit hard start, Burned, lack of N, and started their life as clone in PH8 ^^

So, if you was me go for cannazym? It does say that on there HP, and I do use 26, not 35, so thats.. Thx

 

[jberry]

only use cannazym if you have a established root system...

 

[lykken]

only use cannazym if you have a established root system...

A bit hard to tell: All I can say they grow, and are 22 days old (ink cloning)

 

[jberry]

well the cannazym helps break down dead roots and converts them to food, so when you think your plants root system is old enough to have some of its roots dying off then start using it (but at 22 days i personally would not start using it yet unless i had root rot or situation like that).

if any of you were to experience "root rot" then this would be another ideal time to give a nice dose of cannazym and add a inoculant as well.

 

[cheta86]

Hey J belly long time no hear i dont know if u rember giving me advice on the little mites and powder mildow...but if i by a dehumifier does that solve my problem?...i dont wanna buy someing i dont need...My plants are covered with white power mildow and i can see little little bugs crowiling...Thanks peace.

 

[jberry]

it will help with the PM.
PM loves the RH to have big jumps and drops... in other words PM likes it when the RH drops and or jumps more than 15-20%, and with out a dehumidifier thats what is likely going to happen.

it wont help with mites because they enjoy a dryer warmer climate, which the dehumidifier will do both because of the hot exaust

 

[LeeroySlim]

hey mate great thread heaps and heaps of good info. i just started my first coco grow and im loving it. i just have a question about flushing, ive heard to flush once a week with plain PH5.8 water. and ive also heard not to flush because flushing washes away the good bacteria.

 

[jberry]

yep im the one the people who tell you not to flush (unless you have a burn or lock out or some reason to)

 

[LeeroySlim]

yep im the one the people who tell you not to flush (unless you have a burn or lock out or some reason to)

my new growth the leaves are starting to twist. i thought it may be heat stress but i raised the lights and nothing changed everything else seems to be right, so i thought it might be salt build up, ill just flush one of my plants and see how i go.

 

[justiceman]

you can mix 10-25% in without problems.... i think if you start adding more it may affect the buffers and the way the nutrients are designed for coco? idk but i have added coco/perlite 50/50 and i had a few minor issues with ph and some lock out... but i know if you were set on doing it you could fine tune your nutes and ph to make it work.

for me its just not worth the hassle and pure coco has workes fine for me....

maybe you could do a few plants of each to see if you can tell any difference.... i couldnt really tell aqny difference at all in my side by side tests.

Sorry about the late reply Jberry. So pure coco works perfectly fine for you? do you do top feed drain to waste? Do you mind If I ask how often you water in what size containers?

I would much rather just use pure 100% Canna. I just want to make sure that the Canna doesn't stay to moist for too long you know? I basically want to water more then once every three days, but I don't want to water more then once a day. I plan on using 10.6 liter pots.

By the way is it true that you can grow a plant in coco with a smaller container and it will still be just as big and vigorous as a plant in a bigger container with soil?

 

[3lions]

Canna professional just killed my babies we think

Okay, to be fair I transplanted very early, just a week into seedling but this canna terra professional I thought was organic and it isn't. 70% organic it says which is a bit pointless, it either is or it isnt right?

It seems be be quite high in ferts and it has finished off all 4 seedlings I had going. I just couldnt save them, even tried adding some Rhizotonic but no joy.

Do you think Canna should be more clear about not using this for babies? Of course since it happening I have heard lots of people saying it is too potent for this stage of development. There are more and more newbie growers and this basic thing I think could be explained better by the, lets face it, generally 'more expensive' brands.

Appreciate your thoughts

 

[Bulldog73]

I don't think that you should be using any fertilizer or anything at all on a week old seedling except root accelerator.

 

[jberry]

yea, dont use any brand of fertilizer during the seedling stage... if the seedling appears to need some nutrients then start with 1/4 strength of the recommended amount and quickly work your way up.

it would also be okay if you want to use rhizotonic or roots exelerator as bulldog mentioned... the early transplant could have easily wiped them out because the roots are so fragile at that stage.

 

[3lions]

I didnt 'add' any extra fertiliser at all. Im saying it was the fertilisers in the canna terra pro soil you know?

I thought this Canna soil was just soil, didnt realise it already had too much fertiliser already in it for seedlings.

No one ever says get soil that has no fertiliser in it, to many of us newbies they are the same thing. fertliser/compost/soil, all dirt to grow stuff in. Get my drift?

I do of course appreciate your answers.

I am now starting again, in soil tabs to start with, they have just popped out and under the 400 hps on 24hrs. I would like to know if it will be safe to transplant into this fertilised soil in say, two weeks? Is that recommended time before the first translant so they can cope with the ferts?

Thnx again guys.