The problem with auto flowering plants is just that they auto flower.

Why are you guys still wasteing your dollars on these small plants.get with it and grow for real you will have 20/30 times the ammount if you grow right.you are talking 1 ounce 1 and harf if you are realy lucky.you can't clone these plants.you recive the seeds of the breeder of this shyt.the next step is gemanating the seeds then potting the seeds or putting them in bigger cubes if growing hydro.then vegging them then blooming them.you hear what i am saying is buy 5 seeds and grow just 1 of the seeds if you are growing ak47 buy ak47 but the real thing.beats me why you guys bother with growing a plant that takes 8 week to flower the same time has the real ak47 madness and money down the drain,well not down the drain in the pockets of the rich breeders of these strains.a one of yes but constantly growing them for fu@k sake buy the real thing and a timer.this to me is like been offered a mini or a rolls royce.the same lenth of time is taken in growing both perhaps a week or so differance but why would you take 1 and harf ounce over a nice 9 of ak47 this is what you will get dry at least if the plant is grown in the right conditions.get with it guys.I knowwhat is comeing we grow them around our other crop,just flower the bigger version from a clone you will still get the same ammount of a clone has you would a auto.Autoflowering plants stilltake has much care and attension has a normal fat strain so why?

tyke can i pic your brain here please? while on the topic of autos.....I never run them. but what about putting them outside?? are they too unstable to bother?

I am not going to tell you why autos are great because I already have told many people in many post that think like you do and I am tired of defending my style of growing.

Instead, let me ask you these questions:

1. Why do you care if I grow autos or not?

2. How does me growing/breeding autos effect you personally?

3. Why do you think I grow autos and not regular strains?

4. Do you know for a fact that I do not grow non-auto strains?

5. Have you ever grown an autoflowering strain? (pics please)

There, that should get us started on a more intelligent debate.

but that didnt answer my question.....lol

atomicronick said:

tyke can i pic your brain here please? while on the topic of autos.....I never run them. but what about putting them outside?? are they too unstable to bother?

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the point of af(auto flowering) strains(as i understand it) is so you can give them tons of light all the time, even in flowering, so no i don't think it'd affect them. they're genetically predisposed to not follow to the light cycle they're given.

KuLong said:

I am not going to tell you why autos are great because I already have told many people in many post that think like you do and I am tired of defending my style of growing.

Instead, let me ask you these questions:

1. Why do you care if I grow autos or not?

2. How does me growing/breeding autos effect you personally?

3. Why do you think I grow autos and not regular strains?

4. Do you know for a fact that I do not grow non-auto strains?

5. Have you ever grown an autoflowering strain? (pics please)

There, that should get us started on a more intelligent debate.

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kulong i think you're overreacting lol he's trying to have a constructive argument about the yield, amount of nutes, etc, not compromise your rep for growing them. kulong in your experience have you noticed an af of the same strain will yield less? i've never grown em so i don't know.

but to put in my two cents, an experienced grower once told me to not get AF or even feminized seeds, because they're easily stressed out, REALLY easily. for example they'll burn easier so you'll have to be really careful with nutes, and it could affect yield in the end. he might have also said they tend to herm a lot, but i'm not sure if he said that and i don't remember or if i'm just making that up by trying to remember lol

anyway he said to just go bagseed. sure you might get a male but at least the girls will be comfortable and harder to shock, giving you more wiggle room with mistakes, pushing the limit, etc. and you only need to gamble with seeds once really, after you find the girls you can just keep cloning from them.

i wanna see a side by side comparison for a feminized, an AF, and a bagseed of the same strand. that would end the bickering once and for all.

cheers

the reason most people grow autos is space. they generally take less. and when they dont grow as big of corse they dont yield as big. a big advantage of autos is when growing outside. you can get several harvests in one season rather then just one. as for the stress that all depends on the strain the auto was derived from. if the strain is sensative to begin with it will continue to be sensative. by bagseed are you talking about seeds that came from a bag o pot becuase if you u are the majority of those seeds are in the pot because the plant or one near it hermied. wich makes it more likly to hermie. atuos can be very stable as long as they came from a seasoned breeder. i dont recomend nirvanna i curently have a NL auot fem and a short ryder regular growing and neaither on flowered auto. but the NL is female so the fem part is true. i would recomend a lowryder type strain they have been around a long time and have great review.

PS. my next plant is not auto, it is bubblelicious from nivrana

"Why are you guys still wasteing your dollars on these small plants.get with it and grow for real you will have 20/30 times the ammount....."

Well, mine were UFO freebies.
Biggest plus I see for the AFs would be the idea of an perpetual grow going in one small cab /room, with only one light and all growing with that same light / timing. Light leaks doesn't effect it much as they seem to be fully acceptable on 24/0.

Growing a UFO Dinafem Roadrunner. IMHO,, it's a very hardy girl.
I also think they're a nice novelty item for someone that is more into a relaxing little grow / smoke scene.

For outdoors, in a smaller area in the back corner of the yard, you can have a completed grow in July/August. Leaving the rest of the summer to take the family away on vacation or harvest before the choppers / copters come snooping around. I've also never heard of one 12 ft. tall.

Kind of why have a cherry tomatoe plant when you can have a full sized tomatoe bearing plant? Simply different strokes for different folks is all.

Frankly, if it wasn't for the free UFOs, I never probably would of tried them. While not as verbal as you about anti-AFs,, I kind of felt the same way.
Now that I've tried one, studied a little more about them,, I can see a nitch for their use.

Am I converted AF follower? Not by a long shot. As much as I agree with a need for them, I'm not one. I enjoy cloning and longer times to do things with the plants. Old School maybe,, but I like growing as much as smoking. Never in a hurry and enjoy taking my time to do it right.

When they figure a way to get tens of pounds off 1 seed after years of cloning from that one seed,,,, then they'll have my real interest. Until then? It's a nice novelty with free seeds and fun.

All about what you want to do, in the way you want to do it.
Running an extra 4-8 hrs of light & ventilation adds up against the dry weight too.

sketie said:

by bagseed are you talking about seeds that came from a bag o pot becuase if you u are the majority of those seeds are in the pot because the plant or one near it hermied. wich makes it more likly to hermie.

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Man, I've got to really disagree with you on that one. There's many reasons a bag may contain seed. That is one reason, but others like ill kept grow, mostly wild grow, selling breeder buds, stray pollen from a mile away on a breezy day, etc.

I have seen, and had many, many grows from bagseed and can't remember having a hermie I could contribute to seed.
Actually, have you ever tried to hermie a outside, in the ground plant? Taint easy!

Cannabis is cannabis so why do people think its a waste of money getting autos? We're all smoking the same plant, maybe not strain. I'm going to be growing autos BUT i dont have room to grow large strains or i would. I think people like autos because they take no space. Leave it in an aerogarden and let it take its course. Normal strains are alot of space, lights, fans everything. Too much for me.

you say autos take the same amount of time to flower........most autos are 8 -10 weeks from seed, normal plants take about 8-10 weeks flower, so you have a good month or so of growing the thing before you flower, by the time you have done 2 grows with the normals you could have done 3 with the autos

you also say why take an ounce and a half over 9 ounces.......... if you read about i would say most growers average 2 ounces from a non auto, if you are getting 9 ounces from a plant indoors all the time you must know your shit about growing and have a shed load of lights and so on

I never understood autoflowers, I like to clone, and get my moneys worth from some seeds. also I really enjoy just growing, time is of no concern, good bud takes a long ass time.

auto's suck i purchased 10 5 sprouted 5 were male and 5 did not autoflower..................lol but that asside i like autos for the fact that you can grow them outdoors.....they dont stand out that much......and you can harvest befor everyone else and if you want plant 1 per week and make a perpetual outdoor grow........i could even probably get away with planting one outside now in florida

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auto's suck i purchased 10 5 sprouted 5 were male and 5 did not autoflower..................lol but that asside i like autos for the fact that you can grow them outdoors.....they dont stand out that much......and you can harvest befor everyone else and if you want plant 1 per week and make a perpetual outdoor grow........i could even probably get away with planting one outside now in florida

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so out of the 5 that sprouted they where all males and none of them actualy auot flowered.............dont think i beleive that lol

here you go my 4 ft tall autos..............

the one with the god father was my fav. one i let him drink a beer and smoke a cig before i killed him

they cant be autos....

how long have they been growing? autos will have full size colas before they get that big.

funny thing is i have pics of autos in front of that exact same poster lol.

Just thought id share my thoughts on this. I did autos my 1st grow but never since, just do normals now i got head room. Which brings me to my point i think there only worth growin if you have very limited height in your grow room but there is also ways to keep heights down on normal plants. Considering you have to run your lights an extra 8 hours a day or even 12 hours as i have seen, the yield just aint enough. Whats an extra 3-4 weeks vegging if it adds an extra 2-4 oz to your yield that is if your only growin 1.

well they obvously did not auto thats the point and that poster is up on my wall now thats led zepplin behind it they grew for like 1 month and a half and did not flower or show sex so i put them on 12/12 they were lowriders i got them from amsterdamseeds. or amsterseedbank.com or somthing like that it was befor i knew about this web site tho...........i still wanna get some real autos tho and try them outside

Canon,"I also think they're a nice novelty item for someone that is more into a relaxing little grow"

She said it!

lowrider2000 said:

well they obvously did not auto thats the point and that poster is up on my wall now thats led zepplin behind it they grew for like 1 month and a half and did not flower or show sex so i put them on 12/12 they were lowriders i got them from amsterdamseeds. or amsterseedbank.com or somthing like that it was befor i knew about this web site tho...........i still wanna get some real autos tho and try them outside

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oh thats pretty funny.

ive actually heard of this happening before. my first grow was buddha seeds white dwarf and red dwarf. they were great and yielded about an oz each. i recently grew a jock horror auto, it was a freeby. the worst plant ever. it harvested 1.8 grams. it was funky ass bud though