The real deal about LED's

lol i hope to god they dont assign mods that know NOTHING about LED's lol that would drive me nuts.

Kaptain Kron said:

no its your asanine and ignorant behavior that does, if you wanna tag along and actually not just run your mouth just to hear yourself talk please feel free. But if your here to troll this thread like you have single LED thread on this forum that pops up then i would appreciate it if you would take it elswhere.

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lol whatever your a dick

Im sorry you feel that way, i cant help it if it makes me a dick to state the truth.

*ill let you two go @t it, till somebody gets butthurt,, then someone will QQ.. then someone will leave.. and everything will be A-okay..

--heres the weapons.. enjoy

**popcorn..

i was going leave it be but he had to jump in callin me names again....lol so F*ck him its his theard not mine if he thinks hes punishing me by filling it with BS arguments with me then thats a laugh...So you wanna be a dick after i let it die so be it.....

virulient said:

I think that technology is a few years off from being reasonably affordable (this coming from a guy who thinks a couple grand for the right light is reasonable). That being said, man, this looks impressive!! Very exciting stuff, I just think it's a ways away from us, sadly. Awesome post at any rate! Thanks for the info, very intriguing.

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Upfront yes very expensive. Average it out over the long haul (if you're lights are under a 3 year or more warranty) and with power savings, reduced cost of electricity, and the money you would have spent replacing HPS or CFL bulbs and possibly ballasts over that period and it averages itself out. Used to use 2 400w hps plus heavy cfl side lighting. Switched to all LED (690w of actual output), totally replaced the old rig and the resulting product is equal in terms of weight and slightly better in quality.

To speak to the argument earlier - is it better to have several smaller wattage panels vs. one larger. For my garden I'd rather have more smaller (130-200w actual output still using 3w chipsets) panels for the modular set up. I only grow four autos at a time and when one is done and can refocus my lights on the remaining plants (see pic)

your 100% correct about more panels man, i've come to realize optimum actual output from a panel style setup is going to be between 130-200watts perfect size, irish boys proved it over and over i've proved it to myself. Its why i like kessils so much what they give me even for the small footprint is more than worth it. So modular its not even funny.

hoss12781 said:

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Upfront yes very expensive. Average it out over the long haul (if you're lights are under a 3 year or more warranty) and with power savings, reduced cost of electricity, and the money you would have spent replacing HPS or CFL bulbs and possibly ballasts over that period and it averages itself out. Used to use 2 400w hps plus heavy cfl side lighting. Switched to all LED (690w of actual output), totally replaced the old rig and the resulting product is equal in terms of weight and slightly better in quality.

To speak to the argument earlier - is it better to have several smaller wattage panels vs. one larger. For my garden I'd rather have more smaller (130-200w actual output still using 3w chipsets) panels for the modular set up. I only grow four autos at a time and when one is done and can refocus my lights on the remaining plants (see pic)

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lol when did i call you names your funny, if i recall your the one who called me a dick, i merely stated i must be a dick for telling the truth then. Punishing you LOL your a great laugh man, the fact that you think i would get some sort of satisfaction out of trying to punish you is asanine. The only time i ever get satisfaction from punishing s1 is with skin on skin contact, and childish arguments will never draw me into such tom foolery. You would have to threaten my family for that. The fact that you think im punishing you and that im filling the thread with pointless arguments with you is enough to keep me red in the face laughing for days man. your too much

FootClan said:

i was going leave it be but he had to jump in callin me names again....lol so F*ck him its his theard not mine if he thinks hes punishing me by filling it with BS arguments with me then thats a laugh...So you wanna be a dick after i let it die so be it.....

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Upfront yes very expensive. Average it out over the long haul (if you're lights are under a 3 year or more warranty) and with power savings, reduced cost of electricity, and the money you would have spent replacing HPS or CFL bulbs and possibly ballasts over that period and it averages itself out. Used to use 2 400w hps plus heavy cfl side lighting. Switched to all LED (690w of actual output), totally replaced the old rig and the resulting product is equal in terms of weight and slightly better in quality.

To speak to the argument earlier - is it better to have several smaller wattage panels vs. one larger. For my garden I'd rather have more smaller (130-200w actual output still using 3w chipsets) panels for the modular set up. I only grow four autos at a time and when one is done and can refocus my lights on the remaining plants (see pic)

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Most definitely! When I said overpriced, I meant that light in particular. I would assume they're using fewer, way more powerful LED's than the 3w we use in our grow rooms. Which could mean much better penetration by the light, but, unfortunately, as you go up past 3w LED's the price starts increasing exponentially. I DO agree with everything you said though, about the 3w LED's were using to grow as of now.

Dude, no offense but we should not be relying on irishboy's journals for anything because they fucking blow. They prove nothing other than that he's in bed with GLH.

ummmmm ok so just because s1 has bought a lot of panels from s1 that means hes in bed with them who cares man, what are you saying that his pics are photoshopped or are you just scared to admit that GLH has a worthwile product now. They used to suck, why i bought my blackstar, but irish was fuckin with em then and not gettin amazing results then he got a new panel design and started doin better i been followin him since before you even had an inkling he was in bed with GLH who cares if he does business with them.

I can tell you i doubt hes photoshopping those pics. Or are you going to accuse him of something more hanus like supplememnting with HPS and then takin pics with only the panels hung.

The better job you do the more haters there always are.

I dont see how you could say his journal blows, i saw some pretty good lookin nug in there.

Not only that i think you miss the point of this thread sir, we are not here to say GLH is better than whatever panel you happen to be using i referenced his grow because he grows with LED"s regardless of who hes in bed with. Hes getting results using them. How does he mix his soil, compared to normal soil for HPS and shit like that. Thats what this thread is about man not saying GLH is teh shit or somthing or GO BUY GLH over everything else. I dont care what panel you use if its ebay crap or a 1800$ beast. You still need to change your growing style to grow with led's and that is what this thread is about or has that been forgotten already i just am getting tired of pointing it out, you guys want to argue like a bunch of children about who has the best panel go ahead but do it on led users unite or some shit like that not here its not what thiis thread was made for.

puffenuff said:

Dude, no offense but we should not be relying on irishboy's journals for anything because they fucking blow. They prove nothing other than that he's in bed with GLH.

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Irishboy's got nothin on the wizard!

Seriously though, there are hundreds of other LED grow journals online if you don't like a particular grower. That being said, I assume you say Irishboy is in bed with GLH because he said he can get discounts on their products for thread-followers. He most likely saw another person's post, on a different website (I won't link in interest of not advertising for a competing forum), where the GLH owner worked directly with the growers, offered discounts to anyone who mentioned his name, and eventually hooked the guy up with multiple free lights to continue testing with. Irishboy, I assume, was simply trying to setup a similar situation for us at RIU. I think we should be thanking him for his hard work, research, and STILL caring enough to setup something beneficial for all of us.

Hey now lol i'd be careful sayin stuff like that the wiz is more humble than you may think hes just starting with these leds too. It wont be long before hes blowin us all out the water tho, more money dirt over there lol gettin all his crazy equipment.

Lol a tad bit defensive over irish aren't we? I'm just saying his journals are terribly written with very little science backing the stuff he says. Don't tell me that you know how long i've been looking at his grows...i've been following his "sponsored" grows since 09 and it was evident then that he was a GLH promoter. I'm not going to make any accusations about supplementing hps to boost his results or photoshop the pics, not even sure where you got that from? Why should I be scared that glh lights are good products? I don't fear technology lol. Pretty nugs, yes. Shitty journal, yes. I give him props for being a decent grower, but he is not some led weed mastermind that demands my respect and his journals are written like a first grader that english is their secondary language.

And my comment wasn't about glh lights. It was about irish's journal and how I believe it holds no real value.

ok man i got nothin against that im just sayin the way you stated it sounded like you had a bit of a grudge or something against those panels, i still dont see how you could say it holds no real value, maybe as a journal for unbiased comparison of panels its no real value but hes still growin with led's and it takes certain techniques to succeed properly in doing so he obviously must know some of them or be refining some of them as i have been or he wouldnt be using leds at all. LED's takes a different style to grow than HPS this is what this thread is meant to be about. Referencing irishs journal in that light, i dont see how your comment makes sense is all.

puffenuff said:

And my comment wasn't about glh lights. It was about irish's journal and how I believe it holds no real value.

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im not arguing most of these points with you i just think your being a little bit harsh and judgmental considering the topic this thread is on and in the light that i referenced him. Ill agree with you he types a shitty journal. Next time just clarify that a bit more cause you came off pretty harsh considering the topic of this thread, if we were discussing manufacturers of lights i would see how him being in bed with GLH had more to do with the topic but in this case it was off topic.

puffenuff said:

Lol a tad bit defensive over irish aren't we? I'm just saying his journals are terribly written with very little science backing the stuff he says. Don't tell me that you know how long i've been looking at his grows...i've been following his "sponsored" grows since 09 and it was evident then that he was a GLH promoter. I'm not going to make any accusations about supplementing hps to boost his results or photoshop the pics, not even sure where you got that from? Why should I be scared that glh lights are good products? I don't fear technology lol. Pretty nugs, yes. Shitty journal, yes. I give him props for being a decent grower, but he is not some led weed mastermind that demands my respect and his journals are written like a first grader that english is their secondary language.

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Kaptain Kron said:

ok man i got nothin against that im just sayin the way you stated it sounded like you had a bit of a grudge or something against those panels, i still dont see how you could say it holds no real value, maybe as a journal for unbiased comparison of panels its no real value but hes still growin with led's and it takes certain techniques to succeed properly in doing so he obviously must know some of them or be refining some of them as i have been or he wouldnt be using leds at all. LED's takes a different style to grow than HPS this is what this thread is meant to be about. Referencing irishs journal in that light, i dont see how your comment makes sense is all.

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*kill them with kindness.. it works.. why do you think they shot gandhi in the face.. dude was wearing flipflops and sheets.. --- cause it works.. it drives morons insane..

You won't find Irishboy's journals published in any Horticulture textbooks. That being said, they're not worthless by any means. There IS a middle ground. Grow journals don't need complete scientific data to be useful. Could he run more tests and publish the results? Yea. Could he spend more time making his posts more present-able? Yea. Are his posts completely garbage because he DIDN'T do these things? No.

thank u that is all i was trying to say really. I know going into reading all his posts to take them with a grain of salt because of his GLH leanings, just like if you read most of my threads where i talk about LED's i talke about kessil and BS because i know them the best, but it by no means means that they are the best lights. They could be, yet to be proven though. I comment on other manufacturers but i wont make definitive statements unless i've used the panel or helped s1 using one of them grow something. First hand experience only.

virulient said:

You won't find Irishboy's journals published in any Horticulture textbooks. That being said, they're not worthless by any means. There IS a middle ground. Grow journals don't need complete scientific data to be useful. Could he run more tests and publish the results? Yea. Could he spend more time making his posts more present-able? Yea. Are his posts completely garbage because he DIDN'T do these things? No.

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