The Reckoning

Lacy said:

On a certain day and time get everyone to call their government block up the lines It snot illegal. just annoying. OR

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Yes, that too. this can be a part of the build-up. So long as nobody is affected by it, this is cool.

This is about peace, and doing what is right. There's much more to it than just people wanting to smoke weed, even if they just want to smoke weed.

The last thing we want to do is have a huge protest with lots of people getting drunk and stoned and it getting carried away where violence starts. Thats the image we are trying to dispel so if we had a peaceful demonstration or whatever we want to call it there would have to be no toking or any illegal activities so the authorities have no reason to show any force.

Eventually this would grow and become even greater!!!

closet.cult said:

it is a fight we could lose. each of us can lose bigtime. our houses, cars, family, freedom. i really think you're going about this the wrong way, skunk.

in the u.s. laws are changed by enough people getting behind them. if there is a vast majority of the citizens who want change, change can be affected.

you do not change a law, by breaking the law. you use the law to change the law. you get EVERYONE who is favorable to speak out, put the inititive on the ballot, and vote on it. if it gets turned down, you do it again and again and again untill they hear us.

this is how prohibition of alcohol was changed. what you're not getting is that there does not seem to be enough people raising their voice for canabis legalization. we're not the majority of the population, as was the case for alcohol.

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Yayyyyyy 4:20 on 4/20/2008 I'd go on a march or summat

skunkushybrid said:

There's not enough people because we fear what you fear.

alcohol prohibition was changed because the government wanted the money the gangs were reaping in... I don't care how they try and butter it up.

Who are the government? Are they royalty, or are they you and me? They may threaten to hang us, but if enough of us stand at once the rope and the threat is useless.

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no, no, no. you have to understand. alcohol prohibition changed becuase enough people wanted it changed. too many people, the majority of the general population wanted booze. it was unworkable prohibition. PLUS, the black market spawned dangerous gangs.

obviously, the gangs surrounding drugs is the same problem, but cannabis smokers are NOT the majority in the U.S. (well, they are in certain cities or states)

now, the government would have been happy to forcibly keep prohibition on their people if the citizens HADN'T demanded the end of it.

prohibition = arrests, jail time, incarceration and prison.

prohibition is MONEY FOR THE GOVERNMENT. our TAXES pay to fight the war on drugs! The government doesn't care how many people want prohibition to end. and they will arrest ALL 10,000,000 of you growing out in the open just to prove a point; how strong they are. and they will make a mint from all the court fees and they will run ads focused towards the religous right that demonize drug users and that warrent more drakonian laws.

prohibition will only end with an honest and sympathitic president, congress and supreme court. so, we're fucked.

Yes exactly. See we are on the same page with this skunk.
I'm a big believer in that things happen for a reason. We might not like them at the time but in the end it usually turns out for the best. (very different from religious)

There are so many creative possibilities that can be done with this. Take even you being a moderator here, you have some power to influence people in a postive way.
You could set up a contest asking for the best ideas for bringing about the publicity needed to get the ball rolling. From there you never know where it is gonna end.

You ever see that movie"Play it forward"? or "Pay it forward?" Somethin' like that. It was the same idea.

skunkushybrid said:

Yes, that too. this can be a part of the build-up. So long as nobody is affected by it, this is cool.

This is about peace, and doing what is right. There's much more to it than just people wanting to smoke weed, even if they just want to smoke weed.

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Fake Plastic Trees said:

Yayyyyyy 4:20 on 4/20/2008 I'd go on a march or summat

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That too, it will be a march to advertise what we're going to do. If we push it enough, and can show that we have a huge following... This would need to be on a world scale too, everyone marching at the same time on the same day. Placards with the date of freedom, proudly proclaimed.

A dream? Maybe... but who knows unless we try?

Do we want it badly enough? Not just for someone that has aids or cancer but we can do also much more good. Yes the sick are relevant, but so is our earth, even our mental stability.

We feel opressed by much more than the cannabis prohibition. This BB world we live in get's more intense by the year. This would give us a sense of freedom, show us that we do have the power to change the world... that we are not controlled.

skunkushybrid said:

That too, it will be a march to advertise what we're going to do. If we push it enough, and can show that we have a huge following... This would need to be on a world scale too, everyone marching at the same time on the same day. Placards with the date of freedom, proudly proclaimed.

A dream? Maybe... but who knows unless we try?

Do we want it badly enough? Not just for someone that has aids or cancer but we can do also much more good. Yes the sick are relevant, but so is our earth, even our mental stability.

We feel opressed by much more than the cannabis prohibition. This BB world we live in get's more intense by the year. This would give us a sense of freedom, show us that we do have the power to change the world... that we are not controlled.

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i'm all for peaceful protests. if it's local, i'll do it. but it has to be a LOT of people so it'll represent our numbers.

Ok Skunk. How about this idea.

You have a 'Rollitup.org' contest on who can create the biggest buzz idea that would bring about the most attention.

You collect all the ideas and then for the year of 2008 you pick one idea for each month of the year.
Like:
January: Everyone calls their Health minister and asks why they don't have the same rights as...blah blah"
February: have a march in all cities of the worlld on such and such a date
March: Have everyone send in emails to someone else
Etc
Etc
Etc
Etc
Its something that would gradually build momentum and would be great publicity for this site. You'd know more about that.

You could even incorporate a downloadable callender that members can download so that everyone is in sync with each other.

Whatcha think?

Absolutely! We are all in this together. We are like branches from a tree. All connected.
OK I'm stoned.

skunkushybrid said:

That too, it will be a march to advertise what we're going to do. If we push it enough, and can show that we have a huge following... This would need to be on a world scale too, everyone marching at the same time on the same day. Placards with the date of freedom, proudly proclaimed.

A dream? Maybe... but who knows unless we try?

Do we want it badly enough? Not just for someone that has aids or cancer but we can do also much more good. Yes the sick are relevant, but so is our earth, even our mental stability.

We feel opressed by much more than the cannabis prohibition. This BB world we live in get's more intense by the year. This would give us a sense of freedom, show us that we do have the power to change the world... that we are not controlled.

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Lacy said:

Whatcha think?

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All of it yes, but this is a group thing. I don't want to be leader, this will really take all of us working together.

If you execute some of these ideas, namely the thread, I'll gladly contribute and try my best to help with the organisation.

As I said, my first plan of attack would be to spread the word over other forums all over the world... but it would first need to take off on this one.

This is why I've added a poll.

I've made the poll like that, because if you choose to keep running this should emphasise the feeling of cowardice as you click it.

I didn't mean that you should be the leader but since you are a moderator you can post a contest. I don't think an regular ordinary, plain old, unimportant, non-significant, member should either.

I'm just joking.

skunkushybrid said:

All of it yes, but this is a group thing. I don't want to be leader, this will really take all of us working together.

If you execute some of these ideas, namely the thread, I'll gladly contribute and try my best to help with the organisation.

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the rest of the US, are yet to wake up... I mean that literally as in regards to the thread moving slowly.

Yes, I believe it can be done legally, but only with the threat of illegality if they do not comply. With enough pressure they have to cave in.

How many of us here have actually been on a march?

I warrant there aren't many. Me included, I've never been on a march.

Yet, the marches still draw significant followers... already enough to have a voice in government. What if, all of us joined in? How loud would we be then?

I just read a post by Hank on another thread and it gave me an idea you can ask all the people on here and all the other websites like this one to make a Personal Testimony. "Why I smoke Marijuana".

I mean ask all the people too not just MM patients. I know a lot of replies will simply be "because I like to get high" and there will be some fantastic gut wrenching stories from people who really really can't do without MM for pain.

There will also be thousands of replies from people who say its a corrective drug for them. Makes them more calm maybe even stops them from being voilent or just simply helps them to relax or sleep.

If everybody looks into their heart they could come up with really really meaningful testimonies. If it really comes from peoples hearts it would be far better than just a simple petition.

Its just an idea it would require lots of work. Hmmm maybe you could even publish a book out of it, I am betting with proper editing (and I mean ordering here not altering) it would make fantastic website material.

What do you think?

skunkushybrid said:

the rest of the US, are yet to wake up... I mean that literally as in regards to the thread moving slowly.

Yes, I believe it can be done legally, but only with the threat of illegality if they do not comply. With enough pressure they have to cave in.

How many of us here have actually been on a march?

I warrant there aren't many. Me included, I've never been on a march.

Yet, the marches still draw significant followers... already enough to have a voice in government. What if, all of us joined in? How loud would we be then?

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Peaceful marches have always worked really well in Britain throughout the ages, even got women the vote, atually thay weren't too peaceful teehee. I think Peaceful has to be the key element here, we are saying MJ chills us out and cannot do anything that would send out a different message.

I reckon persistence is going to be key too, one march ain't going to rock anyones boat, the more you have the more they will gather speed and Politics is a slow business.

I totally fuckin agree with you guys...im for sure with yas...im not a long time grower but i am a heavy smoker. im gorwing for my first time actually but i like it and its a good hobby...like willie nelson said " I think people need to be educated to the fact that marijuana is not a drug. Marijuana is an herb and a flower. God put it here. If He put it here and He wants it to grow, what gives the government the right to say that God is wrong?" - Willie Nelson

Yes, although we should steer clear of religion... this is about mankind. As FPT said we all have genuine heart felt reasons for growing this stuff. Even the commercial growers have to believe that this is more than just a means to an end to make money (most of them, I hope).

I do it because it relaxes me, helps me concentrate... am I hurting anybody by wanting to self medicate? Do I want some doctor giving me HIS diagnosis, and what he thinks I should take? Do I trust them fuckers?

Medicines are freely available in all kinds of herbs and plants... yet in my country a simple thing like penicylin is prescription only. So, if you cultivate your own penicylin this too would be illegal. Likewise any other 'prescription only' drug. It's all about the money, the prescription drugs are the only ones that work.

They make money from our illnesses, and keep us uneducated and lazy as to what is actually best for our bodies... just so they can make more.

i think growung weed, is a good thing, who wants to be walking the streets looking for shit/and i mean shit, look at the stuff there selling on the streets. now i grow my own, i dont bother anyone, and no one bothers me, i think everyone sould be able to grow for there selfs, and it will eradicate all the seedy side of cannabis. and this has only got to be better for every one. hopfully.

Yes. Just tell the truth. It would be a huge eye opener for sure.

Fake Plastic Trees said:

I just read a post by Hank on another thread and it gave me an idea you can ask all the people on here and all the other websites like this one to make a Personal Testimony. "Why I smoke Marijuana".

I mean ask all the people too not just MM patients. I know a lot of replies will simply be "because I like to get high" and there will be some fantastic gut wrenching stories from people who really really can't do without MM for pain.

There will also be thousands of replies from people who say its a corrective drug for them. Makes them more calm maybe even stops them from being voilent or just simply helps them to relax or sleep.

If everybody looks into their heart they could come up with really really meaningful testimonies. If it really comes from peoples hearts it would be far better than just a simple petition.

Its just an idea it would require lots of work. Hmmm maybe you could even publish a book out of it, I am betting with proper editing (and I mean ordering here not altering) it would make fantastic website material.

What do you think?

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