The renewable energy changes and policy

CANON_Grow said:

Stellantis making the Ram 1500 Ramcharger an EV with on-board gasoline generator is an intelligent way to get more people into EV's. 145 miles powered on batteries alone, and 690 miles with full battery and full tank of gas. The generator is still going to require maintenance like any other engine, but many drivers will be able to go a long time without using the generator to charge the battery.

I wouldn't be surprised to see many more manufacturers use the same concept. That generator should be pretty efficient as it won't need to adjust for load.

Stellantis' new Ram pickup is an EV — with a gas-powered generator in case the battery runs out

The new Ram pickup can operate as an EV until the battery dies and an onboard generator — powered by a 3.6-liter V6 engine — kicks on to power the vehicle.

www.cnbc.com

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No if only it came in a regular-cab longbed …

… also, a smarter “generator” would be a small Diesel twin making max 40 hp.

Some people claim they can gain weight and make fat on air alone...

Talk about green, solar powered hydrogen production and waste flue gases to make butter! For now, they use paraffin as a hydrogen source.



Savor Makes Fat From The Air

Savor is a company that makes fats using technology very similar to Solar Foods, by using CO₂ and Hydrogen. Their first product will be a butter, and this video looks at the details behind their first product.

Sounds like a lot of science fiction but when you think about what fat is made of (carbon, hydrogen oxygen) it makes a lot of sense!

cannabineer said:

No if only it came in a regular-cab longbed …

… also, a smarter “generator” would be a small Diesel twin making max 40 hp.

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For many applications the smaller diesel would be better, but 40 hp isn't going to keep up if towing heavy (rated up to 14,000 lb) and traveling long distances. I'm assuming it was really engineered to try and get as close to current towing range offered by their gas only 1500, so those that pull their RV or boat a dozen times each year don't have to modify their driving at all and can use battery only the other 95% of the time. (and no extra engineering/tooling costs for the motor doesn't hurt).

CANON_Grow said:

For many applications the smaller diesel would be better, but 40 hp isn't going to keep up if towing heavy (rated up to 14,000 lb) and traveling long distances. I'm assuming it was really engineered to try and get as close to current towing range offered by their gas only 1500, so those that pull their RV or boat a dozen times each year don't have to modify their driving at all and can use battery only the other 95% of the time. (and no extra engineering/tooling costs for the motor doesn't hurt).

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If towing a heavy trailer, evs aren’t there yet. I’m not sure that’s the target market. That V6 won’t pull a big trailer up an 8% grade either.

What would really sell in the biotech world would be sugars and fats(?) that have right-handed (D) chirality, they would taste the same, but not be absorbed by the digestive system and used in metabolism. It could be the perfect diet food and allow people to eat like pigs and not gain an ounce! All life uses molecules that are lefthanded or have left-handed chirality. If biotech could crank it out it would sell, diet food is big. I remember reading about R- sugar years ago and they said it would taste the same and not be metabolized. Artificial sweeteners have it beat though, but fats might be another matter and they make things taste good. Perhaps biotech could crank them out cheap enough using yeast or even chemical processes like the one above to make (D) right-handed lipids?

DIY-HP-LED said:

What would really sell in the biotech world would be sugars and fats(?) that have right-handed (D) chirality, they would taste the same, but not be absorbed by the digestive system and used in metabolism. It could be the perfect diet food and allow people to eat like pigs and not gain an ounce! All life uses molecules that are lefthanded or have left-handed chirality. If biotech could crank it out it would sell, diet food is big. I remember reading about R- sugar years ago and they said it would taste the same and not be metabolized. Artificial sweeteners have it beat though, but fats might be another matter and they make things taste good. Perhaps biotech could crank them out cheap enough using yeast or even chemical processes like the one above to make (D) right-handed lipids?

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They would not taste the same. Our taste&smell receptors are chiral. Fats generally are not.

Also fwiw dextrose is a D-sugar. The L-only rule holds for amino acids.

Consider carvone.

cannabineer said:

If towing a heavy trailer, evs aren’t there yet. I’m not sure that’s the target market. That V6 won’t pull a big trailer up an 8% grade either.

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They might sell extra batteries that fit in the truck bed like a tool box, or even contain a generac, for trailer towing with and EV truck.

cannabineer said:

They would not taste the same. Our taste&smell receptors are chiral. Fats generally are not.

Also fwiw dextrose is a D-sugar. The L-only rule holds for amino acids.

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Killed that notion real quick!

Don't count RethinkX out yet! The problems with fermentation and cell culture are ones of scale related to current processes, but a continuous production stream can change that! This fellow could come up with a better bioreactor and that can change things.


Pow Bio Is Rethinking the Bioreactor

Pow Bio is a startup that is rethinking how bioreactors work for precision fermentation to move from a batch to continuous fermentation process.

They are building a new bioreactor architecture to solve the contamination and drift problems when it comes to continuous fermentation along with software to automate some of the manual fermentation steps.

cannabineer said:

If towing a heavy trailer, evs aren’t there yet. I’m not sure that’s the target market. That V6 won’t pull a big trailer up an 8% grade either.

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I'm not sure heavy towing and EV's will ever co-exist in harmony, maybe a new EV trailer that has its own electric motor and battery to assist? That V6 isn't doing the towing, it's supplying power to the electric motors along with the battery when needed, specifically for steep grades in Mountain West. That's what their engineers are claiming anyways.

CANON_Grow said:

I'm not sure heavy towing and EV's will ever co-exist in harmony, maybe a new EV trailer that has its own electric motor and battery to assist? That V6 isn't doing the towing, it's supplying power to the electric motors along with the battery when needed, specifically for steep grades in Mountain West. That's what their engineers are claiming anyways.

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Maybe the North American half ton will be the last of the ICE dinosaurs!

CANON_Grow said:

I'm not sure heavy towing and EV's will ever co-exist in harmony, maybe a new EV trailer that has its own electric motor and battery to assist? That V6 isn't doing the towing, it's supplying power to the electric motors along with the battery when needed, specifically for steep grades in Mountain West. That's what their engineers are claiming anyways.

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Yeah it’s experience with those Western grades that I had in mind.

Iirc the plans for BEV heavy trucks involved large (800kWh) batteries in a rapid-exchange pack. Folks who like big trailers might have to have something comparable. Or long visits while hooked to an orange extension cord.

cannabineer said:

That V6 won’t pull a big trailer up an 8% grade either.

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The V6 is just to power the generator from the way I read the article. It's not part of the power train as in having a driveshaft to the wheels.

The generator must have a helluva output to need a V6 to run it.

DIY-HP-LED said:

I advocate solving climate change using science, technology, capitalism and good old-fashioned greed.

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That's why I mentioned VOC mentality, pioneers of capitalism. But not so much greed - that's just wealth and already covered by modern day capitalism - instead, a desire for prosperity.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Building The World's First Cultivated Meat Farm

A startup in the Netherlands, RESPECTfarms is working on bringing cultivated meat production systems to farms.

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Not a typical startup, not building a farm, but a blueprint. The whole project is a feasibility test to see if small scale production of cultivated meat can be decentralized and take place at current farms. So if any farmer wants to switch to the new technology he/she doesn't have to start from scratch, reducing the risk. The farmer who joined the project in that video is a fictional example. Results of the test are expected later this year.

The problems with protein fermentation and cell culture for meat is that the process used now hasn't changed since WW2, they still use a batch process that is slow, inefficient and almost impossible to scale to commercial sizes for food production. Switching to a continuous production process changes everything and the industry operates more like others who make a profit and large volumes do it with a continuous conveyor belt type of operation. The POW biotechnology video on rethinking the bioreactor I posted above is an example of how a technology might come out of left field and change the game completely. If it works, the system will be a foundation for a whole industry with many different kinds of custom ones pumping out various food products continually. It usually takes a while to work the bugs out of something this complex, but it has the potential to make a lot of the emerging biotechnology food industry feasible and allow scaling something like food production for a reasonable cost.

Don't count the RethinkX report on food out just yet, the changes will have an impact on the food industry and agriculture, how much depends on how fast the technology evolves and iteratively improves. This continuous production technology has the potential to move the food biotechnology industry, as in the whole industry, along very quickly.

Sativied said:

That's why I mentioned VOC mentality, pioneers of capitalism. But not so much greed - that's just wealth and already covered by modern day capitalism - instead, a desire for prosperity.


Not a typical startup, not building a farm, but a blueprint. The whole project is a feasibility test to see if small scale production of cultivated meat can be decentralized and take place at current farms. So if any farmer wants to switch to the new technology he/she doesn't have to start from scratch, reducing the risk. The farmer who joined the project in that video is a fictional example. Results of the test are expected later this year.

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They say that at the end of the video. Trying to turn old stables and barns into biotech factories does not look like a good idea and they are downplaying the problem of contamination especially on a dairy farm, a nice fantasy though! Production volumes would be too low using the tech they describe. However, they appear to be developing continuous fermentation and eventually cell culture processes and that can change everything at food scales. See the video I posted on it above about rethinking the bioreactor, it could change everything about the industry and addresses the central bottleneck.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Production volumes would be too low using the tech they describe.

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This is clearly based on a very narrow reference frame.

And I don't need a specific youtube vid to know the technology is constantly being improved and expanded.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Trying to turn old stables and barns into biotech factories does not look like a good idea and they are downplaying the problem of contamination especially on a dairy farm, a nice fantasy though!

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Well, sent them an email so you can save them some time and money. To the daughter of Godfather of Cultured Meatt, or founder of world's first climate neutral egg farm, or Florentine Zieglowski with two masters degrees with a focus on cellular meat. Among others. Not people who downplay serious obstacles or work on fantasies (that's rich coming from you). Old stables and barns... Aside from the fact we don't have those, farmers here are already high-tech, it's already robots and machines that milk cows, they have plenty of room to build new facilities as clean as any industrial site could.

Sativied said:

That's why I mentioned VOC mentality, pioneers of capitalism. But not so much greed - that's just wealth and already covered by modern day capitalism - instead, a desire for prosperity.


Not a typical startup, not building a farm, but a blueprint. The whole project is a feasibility test to see if small scale production of cultivated meat can be decentralized and take place at current farms. So if any farmer wants to switch to the new technology he/she doesn't have to start from scratch, reducing the risk. The farmer who joined the project in that video is a fictional example. Results of the test are expected later this year.

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It might also lull those "cunt farmers" into a false sense of security and make them think the emerging threat is not so bad and that they too can be part of it, unlikely. I'm still skeptical about replacing meat agriculture, but developments in the industry like redesigned bioreactors (if possible) and continuous processing have the potential to change things dramatically and drop production costs through the floor compared to what they already are doing. If it ever happens expect extremely high levels of automation, the last thing you need is a dirty human anywhere near the stuff and there will be few people in bunny suits running around the production facility.

Sativied said:

This is clearly based on a very narrow reference frame.

And I don't need a specific youtube vid to know the technology is constantly being improved and expanded.


Well, sent them an email so you can save them some time and money. To the daughter of Godfather of Cultured Meatt, or founder of world's first climate neutral egg farm, or Florentine Zieglowski with two masters degrees with a focus on cellular meat. Among others. Not people who downplay serious obstacles or work on fantasies (that's rich coming from you). Old stables and barns... Aside from the fact we don't have those, farmers here are already high-tech, it's already robots and machines that milk cows, they have plenty of room to build new facilities as clean as any industrial site could.

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I'm pointing out some issues with the vision they have and posting about a new tech that might put them out of business and make biotech a viable food industry. It is developments like that which could derail their vision, or eventually it could be scaled to that kind of operation and actually make it feasible. I'm watching this industry and so are many others with skin in the game, if it works out, then the future might be closer to the RethinkX report's forecast.

Sativied said:

This is clearly based on a very narrow reference frame.

And I don't need a specific youtube vid to know the technology is constantly being improved and expanded.


Well, sent them an email so you can save them some time and money. To the daughter of Godfather of Cultured Meatt, or founder of world's first climate neutral egg farm, or Florentine Zieglowski with two masters degrees with a focus on cellular meat. Among others. Not people who downplay serious obstacles or work on fantasies (that's rich coming from you). Old stables and barns... Aside from the fact we don't have those, farmers here are already high-tech, it's already robots and machines that milk cows, they have plenty of room to build new facilities as clean as any industrial site could.

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One thing to remember about this continuous fermentation thing is it can reduce capital costs and the size of facilities, and it might make production on the farm possible, batch fermentation will not.