The Seed Collectors Thread
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hempstead
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The Eaisbaer were vegged for close to a month and they were very slow. Once in flower they shot up. Nevilles was only vegged for a few days.
I read the opposite and it is true. I fed them pretty heavy and still yellowing.
Like every other seed company out there. They all get their special pheno and cross it to everything famous. heh
Mindmelted
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Nice place to get clones would be killer......
I have given up on CZ myself....
I have given up on CZ myself....
karmas a bitch
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I'll be taking my a11 male to all my clone onlies. Just for shits and giggles. Sour d,g13,other stuff.
JCashman
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ha, truth to that! WiFi, WhiteBubba, WhiteUrkle, etc etc
sounds like some pretty fun shits and giggles!
Bluejeans
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Hey, I know what works for ME and that's what is most important to me, so ...
As for the last two lines...hehehe, I've done BOTH!
I put my rooting clones into the flower room as soon as they were past the humidome stage...and I cut a bud 7 weeks into flower and rooted that too.
As for rooting flowering clones, that one did take more than twice as long as a regular clone to start doing anything visible, but the roots sprouted in about 10 days. The top just sat there and looked ... boring. I almost tossed the thing out because it did absolutely nothing for over 3 weeks. But it didn't die either and somebody on here once said, "I don't give up till they do"...so I waited...and I am SO glad I did! I now have a lovely plant from that little bowl pack...
TheLastWood
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Yeah it takes a while for em to reveg. The bloom ferts actually promote rooting and Nitrogen slows root growth.
gudkarma
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its my opinion that nug cuts (run dwc) need nutrition to make it.
imo, a nug cut is gonna be in the cloner a hot minute to bust enough roots for transplant to a cup of coco... some nutrition keeps them looking good.
if N inhibits root growth why do cuts (same strain) stretch more in flower when grow nutes are used?
if I use blooms nutes in weeks 1-3 , cuts stretch less.
there's some research out there on N vs. root development ...
imo, a nug cut is gonna be in the cloner a hot minute to bust enough roots for transplant to a cup of coco... some nutrition keeps them looking good.
if N inhibits root growth why do cuts (same strain) stretch more in flower when grow nutes are used?
if I use blooms nutes in weeks 1-3 , cuts stretch less.
there's some research out there on N vs. root development ...
TheLastWood
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Stretching = root growth?-------------------EDIT: things that do promote root growth are phosphorus and mycho's( and other microbes). Nitrogen does nothing for the roots, that's why they are white, not green.
gudkarma
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root growth = stretching
stretching = root growth
absolutely... how do you think the cutting flowers?
how does the cutting grow?
roots grow first ...then cut grows.
after a certain time in flower (probably genetic) the roots stop growing & the plant turns to true flower making.
root growth can be directly correlated to stretch, overall plant height, fruit size, etc.
stretching = root growth
absolutely... how do you think the cutting flowers?
how does the cutting grow?
roots grow first ...then cut grows.
after a certain time in flower (probably genetic) the roots stop growing & the plant turns to true flower making.
root growth can be directly correlated to stretch, overall plant height, fruit size, etc.
TheLastWood
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I'm sorry root growth does not = stretching. So many things can cause stretching that there is no way it is directly related to root growth. Then the roots would be the same length as the stem right? If your light is too far away the plant stretches, does that cause the roots to grow faster? Brand of nutes, light intensity, training, there are too many variables.----------------its common knowledge N inhibits root growth. Low N levels stimulates root growth. Of course the roots grow with N present, but not as fast. Nitrogen is only taken up thru the roots, then sent to the leaves to be photosynthesized. ------------ anyways, my XXX and G13 bx2 are here! Free crush proof tin too. Wanna pop these so bad.----------
gudkarma
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root growth does = stretch
& if there's "no way it directly related to root growth" you need to hit the books.
the cut grows only because the roots grow.
& what does training have to do with the biological process that is stretch?
nothing.
nitrogen actually promotes root growth & the plant seeks it out growing in the process.
you want me to prove it to you? np.
"Gabriel Krouk’s work focuses on nitrate, a major mineral ion and the main source of nitrogen for plants, present in soil but also often rare. As a result, plant roots grow constantly in search of new areas of nitrate-rich soil. Mr. Krouk’s research demonstrates that this root growth is in no way random: on the contrary it is carefully guided by molecular mechanisms that detect the presence and availability of nitrate in the soil.
Gabriel Krouk studied one of these molecular mechanisms using the model plant Arabidopsis thaliana. This specific detection mechanism involves the protein NRT1.1, which has the unique characteristic of being both a membrane transporter which enables the entry of nitrate in the root cells, and a nitrate sensor that can stimulate the growth of roots in areas where this ion is present.
This protein plays a unique role in transporting a plant growth hormone, auxin. When nitrate is abundant in the environment, NRT1.1 directs auxin transport so that the hormone accumulates in the roots, thus accelerating their growth."
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enjoy.
& the first 1 to 7 days of weeks 1 to 3 is ALL about stimulating root growth in the presence of high N fert... or what we'll call "grow nutes".
by your logic... my cuts should never stretch & the roots be underdeveloped. too funny.
doesn't homebrewer run grow nutes into week 4 or 5 with killer results?
e$ko does for the first few weeks.
& i do grow nutes to week 3. this last tray i did 50/50% bloom & grow & got much less stretch and after dissecting a container... root growth is less.
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reference :
Nitrate-Regulated Auxin Transport by NRT1.1 Defines a Mechanism for Nutrient Sensing in Plants. Gabriel Krouk, Benoît Lacombe, Agnieszka Bielach, Francine Perrine-Walker, Katerina Malinska, Emmanuelle Mounier, Klara Hoyerova, Pascal Tillard, Sarah Leon, Karin Ljung et al. Developmental Cell. 2010 June 15;18(6) pp. 927 – 937.
& if there's "no way it directly related to root growth" you need to hit the books.
the cut grows only because the roots grow.
& what does training have to do with the biological process that is stretch?
nothing.
nitrogen actually promotes root growth & the plant seeks it out growing in the process.
you want me to prove it to you? np.
"Gabriel Krouk’s work focuses on nitrate, a major mineral ion and the main source of nitrogen for plants, present in soil but also often rare. As a result, plant roots grow constantly in search of new areas of nitrate-rich soil. Mr. Krouk’s research demonstrates that this root growth is in no way random: on the contrary it is carefully guided by molecular mechanisms that detect the presence and availability of nitrate in the soil.
Gabriel Krouk studied one of these molecular mechanisms using the model plant Arabidopsis thaliana. This specific detection mechanism involves the protein NRT1.1, which has the unique characteristic of being both a membrane transporter which enables the entry of nitrate in the root cells, and a nitrate sensor that can stimulate the growth of roots in areas where this ion is present.
This protein plays a unique role in transporting a plant growth hormone, auxin. When nitrate is abundant in the environment, NRT1.1 directs auxin transport so that the hormone accumulates in the roots, thus accelerating their growth."
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enjoy.
& the first 1 to 7 days of weeks 1 to 3 is ALL about stimulating root growth in the presence of high N fert... or what we'll call "grow nutes".
by your logic... my cuts should never stretch & the roots be underdeveloped. too funny.
doesn't homebrewer run grow nutes into week 4 or 5 with killer results?
e$ko does for the first few weeks.
& i do grow nutes to week 3. this last tray i did 50/50% bloom & grow & got much less stretch and after dissecting a container... root growth is less.
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reference :
Nitrate-Regulated Auxin Transport by NRT1.1 Defines a Mechanism for Nutrient Sensing in Plants. Gabriel Krouk, Benoît Lacombe, Agnieszka Bielach, Francine Perrine-Walker, Katerina Malinska, Emmanuelle Mounier, Klara Hoyerova, Pascal Tillard, Sarah Leon, Karin Ljung et al. Developmental Cell. 2010 June 15;18(6) pp. 927 – 937.
Dizzle Frost
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apollo is comeing down like a freight train tonight 
TheLastWood
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Gud, roots grow in SEARCH of nitrogen, not BECAUSE of it. The LOWER the N. The more the roots grow in search of it. With excess N the roots don't spread as much. Your own paste proves my point. I could paste 100 scientific articles proving you wrong as well. The idea that stretch is = to root growth is ridiculous. With my t5s I can virtually stop verticle growth, does that mean the roots stop growing. I said, and I quote "of course roots grow with nitrogen, just not as well. Training also does control stretch. Notice clusters of buds directly above a supercropped knuckle. --------- no more arguing with u the info is there for anyone who wants it, they can do the research and decide for yourself. --------
TheLastWood
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Gud, roots grow in SEARCH of nitrogen, not BECAUSE of it. The LOWER the N. The more the roots grow in search of it. With excess N the roots don't spread as much. Your own paste proves my point. I could paste 100 scientific articles proving you wrong as well. The idea that stretch is = to root growth is ridiculous. With my t5s I can virtually stop verticle growth, does that mean the roots stop growing. I said, and I quote "of course roots grow with nitrogen, just not as well. Training also does control stretch. Notice clusters of buds directly above a supercropped knuckle. --------- no more arguing with u gud I feel ur getting mad over it and Its not my intention so sorry. the info is there for anyone who wants it, they can do the research and decide for yourself. --------