desert dude
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All those things you mention were accomplished with a D controlled congress. You don't suppose they were in it together, do you? Nah, crazy talk.
The state of the GOP
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jigfresh
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I think republicans don't actually think. They just do what they are supposed to do. You are 'supposed' to be a patriot and love your country (meaning you dislike people who aren't american, and you own guns). You are 'supposed' to be Christian. And from that you are 'supposed' to be good (meaning you put on a fake ass act your whole life that you are a good person, see John Edwards even though he's a democrat he's a Christian first).Heads Up said:
In fact, I don't even know if it's so much about Republicans as it is about borderline fanatic Christians.
And no I don't hate Christians. I consider myself one.
So newt is perfect for these peeps. He's Christian, he's a patriot, and he's 'good', meaning he turns a blind eye and practically denies the sins he's committed, even though we all know they happened.
One more thing. I just mention Christians becuase that's what we are dealing with here. I think the problem with the world is borderline fanatic religious folks. It takes rationality and thought away. It makes people defensive and closed to even communicating with folks with other beliefs.
Dan Kone
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Why think when you can feel?
sync0s
Well-Known Member
Republicans have lost all senses. They have replaced their evolutionary senses with the bible, and being that they don't believe in evolution, who cares, right?
NLXSK1
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He admitted his digressions and sought forgiveness from God.
If you really are a Christian you wouldnt be judging him as that is a sin.
But considering the majority of GOP members are way off your mark it doesnt really matter. You are just making random assumptions and attaching conclusions to them.
abandonconflict
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Why feel when you can pretend to feel?
jigfresh
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I don't deny the last line, I realize my opinion is based almost 100% on random judgements. I never claimed to be an expert, never even claimed not to be an idiot. Just offering up my views in FULL REALIZATION that what I'm saying is not 'the truth'.
However, I didn't mean it to come out like I think he sinned, or that I am judging him. I was speaking for the people I'm picking on. (i know it doesn't get more idiotic than that) I actually don't believe in sin. A lot of things I think are not in accordance to what mainstream Christians believe.
I guess I should have made a disclaimer in my post that I don't know a whole lot, or care a whole lot, about politics. But I think that puts me about in line with most of the world.
EDIT: I like your sig.
NLXSK1
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Well, you call yourself a Christian. Which means one that believes in Jesus as the son of God. Following that, Jesus died for our sins...
Now, if you dont believe in sin, what the hell was Jesus doing on earth and/or why do you call yourself a Christian? - Just some things to ponder.
For the record I do not believe in organized religion myself.
duchieman
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What's a bigger sin. His digressions or Jigs judgement of them? Please! He admitted it and sought forgiveness. That's all fine and dandy in your world but it has no place in government and politics. I can easily look past his digressions. I couldn't give a rats ass about it. It's his blatant hypocrisy that "I" can't forgive. Why should I care whether God forgave him or not. He's a liar and a thief. He is a war monger. He is a racist and he's an ideologically driven idiot. If you can't see that then I don't know what to tell you.
FilthyFizzle
Active Member
Newt is Roman Catholic, not Christian. Catholics have distorted The Holy Bible in their favor. Same with Mormons and Jehovah's Witness. Try listening to just the bible and nobody else before you loose your faith
jigfresh
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Yes, this is true. I believe Jesus is/was the son of God. You can follow that with whatever you want.
I believe Jesus was on earth to show people how to live and to teach peace. The Nicene creed talks about Jesus coming to earth for our salvation. I don't read it as salvation from sin. I read it as salvation. That's it. From whatever we need saving from. Most of the time is being saved from our fellow man.
You can say I'm not a Christian. A lot of people do. It's cool. I'm comfortable in my beliefs.
Thanks for asking, it made me think a lot. It's so nice to be on a thread where everyone's not calling each other names.
NLXSK1
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I try to give what I get... Usually that means I am hip deep in assholes but I dont mind a pleasant conversation once in a while...
duchieman
Well-Known Member
Well, I don't know what you read but I'm pretty sure I was talking about Newt. Now maybe answering the question rather than picking out and using this silly diversion would be more progressive? No?
deprave
New Member
Can't believe they vote for a known felon and woman abuser who can't possibly win because he is not eligible for enough delegates. The media doesn't want you to know that Ron Paul and Mitt Romney are elgible for 564 more delegates then the other guys (Newt and Santorum being off the ballot in several states and not even eligible as a write in)...
This tells us that at least 50% of the voters of South Carolina only get their news from the main stream media and/or lack internet access.
This tells us that at least 50% of the voters of South Carolina only get their news from the main stream media and/or lack internet access.
jigfresh
Well-Known Member
WOW... That's some shit right there. Gotta love mainstream news. My wife just said "They must not know", lol. She's funny sometimes.
NLXSK1
Well-Known Member
You keep saying he cannot possibly win but you are a slim minority that has even talked about this. Could you show me 1 main stream article on it?
hazorazo
New Member
I would say his "random assumptions" were right on. I think the GOP has a very distorted view of itself. Everyone besides you guys thinks you are off your rocker.
Carne Seca
Well-Known Member
The sooner you realize that Newt used the forgiveness angle only for political gain the more you understand what makes him tick. He's a political animal through and through. He upgraded his wife twice because she didn't look "presidential". He left one while she was recovering from cancer and was sleeping around on her WHILE she was undergoing treatment. He asked his second wife for an open marriage and then divorced her after she was diagnosed with MS and was sleeping with his second mistress/third wife at the time. He is the only Speaker of the House in U.S. history to be investigated and censured for ethics violations. He is a scumball sleazebag who would do anything for money. He spent most of Presidential campaign doing book signings. His campaign staff quit en masse when they couldn't take it any more. it's just a fucking fluke he's winning in the polls right now.
Newt cares about one thing. Newt. Nothing else. He doesn't give a shit about the Nation or it's citizens. He has no morals or ethics whatsoever. He tells people what he thinks they want to hear. It's all about money.
Newt cares about one thing. Newt. Nothing else. He doesn't give a shit about the Nation or it's citizens. He has no morals or ethics whatsoever. He tells people what he thinks they want to hear. It's all about money.
duchieman
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[h=1]How Newt Gingrich Saved the Military Industrial Complex[/h]
More blog posts from David Swanson
Sunday, 22 January 2012 08:40
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By David Swanson. War is a Crime
The idea of economic conversion, of retooling and retraining pieces of the military industrial complex to build what other wealthy nations have (infrastructure, energy, education, etc.) converged with the end of the Cold War two decades back. It was time for a peace dividend as well as a little sanity in public spending. Among the cosponsors of a bill to begin economic conversion in the late 1980s was a guy by the name of Leon Panetta.
Standing in the way was Congressman Newt Gingrich (Republican, Lockheed Martin).
As Mary Beth Sullivan recounts ( http://MIC50.org ),
"On the first day of the opening of the 101st Congress, Speaker [Jim] Wright convened a meeting of members who had proposed economic conversion legislation, and their aids. The purpose was to ensure that all proposals be joined into one, and that this legislation be given priority. To dramatize the importance of this bill, it would be given number H.R. 101."
Seymour Melman, a leading proponent of the bill recounts what happened:
"Supporters of such an initiative did not reckon with the enormous power of those opposed to any such move toward economic conversion. In the weeks that followed, these vested interests waged a concerted and aggressive campaign in Congress and the national media to bring down Jim Wright over allegations of financial misconduct."
"The allegations," Sullivan writes, "had little substance, but Newt Gingrich, representing a headquarters district of Lockheed Martin, led the Republican attack. Sadly, they won. According to Melman, 'Their media campaign drowned out any further discussion of economic conversion A historic opportunity had been destroyed."
The military industrial complex survived and thrived and is growing even to this moment with plans to grow on into the foreseeable future, even as we're falsely told it's being cut back. Our nation trails others in the areas of education, health, retirement security, life expectancy, infant mortality, environmental sustainability, poverty, and -- in so far as anyone has measured it -- happiness. Instead we have a military that costs as much as the rest of the world's put together, and much of the rest of the world's is purchased from our weapons makers. We have aircraft carriers, bombs, missiles, helicopters, bases, drones, and billionaires to make up for our crappy schools and lousy trains.
While I understand how exciting Newt Gingrich's sex life may be, there may be other things he has to answer for as well.
David Swanson is the author of "When the World Outlawed War," "War Is A Lie" and "Daybreak: Undoing the Imperial Presidency and Forming a More Perfect Union." He blogs at http://davidswanson.org and http://warisacrime.org and works for the online activist organization http://rootsaction.org
Source link http://therealnews.com/t2/component/content/article/72-more-blog-posts-from-david-swanson/893-how-newt-gingrich-saved-the-military-industrial-complex
More blog posts from David Swanson
Sunday, 22 January 2012 08:40
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By David Swanson. War is a Crime
The idea of economic conversion, of retooling and retraining pieces of the military industrial complex to build what other wealthy nations have (infrastructure, energy, education, etc.) converged with the end of the Cold War two decades back. It was time for a peace dividend as well as a little sanity in public spending. Among the cosponsors of a bill to begin economic conversion in the late 1980s was a guy by the name of Leon Panetta.
Standing in the way was Congressman Newt Gingrich (Republican, Lockheed Martin).
As Mary Beth Sullivan recounts ( http://MIC50.org ),
"On the first day of the opening of the 101st Congress, Speaker [Jim] Wright convened a meeting of members who had proposed economic conversion legislation, and their aids. The purpose was to ensure that all proposals be joined into one, and that this legislation be given priority. To dramatize the importance of this bill, it would be given number H.R. 101."
Seymour Melman, a leading proponent of the bill recounts what happened:
"Supporters of such an initiative did not reckon with the enormous power of those opposed to any such move toward economic conversion. In the weeks that followed, these vested interests waged a concerted and aggressive campaign in Congress and the national media to bring down Jim Wright over allegations of financial misconduct."
"The allegations," Sullivan writes, "had little substance, but Newt Gingrich, representing a headquarters district of Lockheed Martin, led the Republican attack. Sadly, they won. According to Melman, 'Their media campaign drowned out any further discussion of economic conversion A historic opportunity had been destroyed."
The military industrial complex survived and thrived and is growing even to this moment with plans to grow on into the foreseeable future, even as we're falsely told it's being cut back. Our nation trails others in the areas of education, health, retirement security, life expectancy, infant mortality, environmental sustainability, poverty, and -- in so far as anyone has measured it -- happiness. Instead we have a military that costs as much as the rest of the world's put together, and much of the rest of the world's is purchased from our weapons makers. We have aircraft carriers, bombs, missiles, helicopters, bases, drones, and billionaires to make up for our crappy schools and lousy trains.
While I understand how exciting Newt Gingrich's sex life may be, there may be other things he has to answer for as well.
David Swanson is the author of "When the World Outlawed War," "War Is A Lie" and "Daybreak: Undoing the Imperial Presidency and Forming a More Perfect Union." He blogs at http://davidswanson.org and http://warisacrime.org and works for the online activist organization http://rootsaction.org
Source link http://therealnews.com/t2/component/content/article/72-more-blog-posts-from-david-swanson/893-how-newt-gingrich-saved-the-military-industrial-complex