OGEvilgenius
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Where did I compare a truck and a jumbo jet?You are comparing a truck with a jumbo jet? I'll give you a minute to think about WHY that is such an absurd comparison.........
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Super Genius!!!!!!!!
The Story of 9/11
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doc111
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Ok, I'm not a mathmetician and I'm not a physicist. I'm not going to attempt to dazzle you with big equations with funny looking little symbols. My expertise lies in the field of firefighting, and technical rescue, of which I specialized in building collapse. In order to become a building collapse technician I had to go through a series of classes which took years. I learned about building construction (I had a structural engineer, also a full time firefighter, teach the segments on building construction), the types of collapses, the causes of the various types and the dangers and challenges firefighters and other rescue personel face. These challenges and hazards are many and they are daunting. The variables involved are nearly impossible to account for. What do you think happens to steel and concrete when a plane flying at around 500 mph hits it? What do you think happens to the aluminum? All the other shit in the way of this massive object travelling at 500mph? There is a massive transfer of energy that happened when the planes hit the buildings. This energy, since it wasn't able to push the building aside or go right through the buildings had to go somehwere. Where did it go? Could it have been released as a whole shitload of heat? Where did the heat go? I can't tell you every single reason why the towers collapsed the way they did. Part of it had to do with the way the buildings were constructed. Part of it had to do with the planes that flew into them and the ensuing fireballs which burned, mostly out of control, until the towers came down (and for several weeks afterwards). Were explosives also present? I don't think so. I have not seen any video that you can clearly hear what sounds like demo charges (and these are very distinctive). I don't believe any explosives were needed to assist in bringing the towers down because they both had 2 HUGE BOMBS flown into them at 500mph!!!!!! That and the fires which burned largely unchecked are apparently all that is needed to bring down a skyscraper. You can't compare this event to anything else because there has never been anything like it! Not even the Empire State Building, because that bomber was quite a bit smaller and flew much slower, AND the Empire State Building was constructed much differently.
doc111
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I assumed you were comparing the truck to a jumbo jet, but after rereading your statement I'm even more confused
...........are you comparing a truck to a skyscraper? lol! 
OGEvilgenius
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No, I'm illustrating to him that objects are made of matter and that matter, especially large chunks of matter of a lot of store potential energy that doesn't just go away immediately upon contact. If it did, the truck would turn into a pile of dust, just like the WTC. But it doesn't, so it won't.I assumed you were comparing the truck to a jumbo jet, but after rereading your statement I'm even more confused
It's an analogy and a truck is a lot less sturdy than the WTC and designed to crumple on impact, whereas the WTC is designed to withstand tremendous forces because it has to be.
Do you disagree with anything I said in those paragraphs? Do you believe the stationary truck would simply turn into a pile of dust and bits of scrap metal? I doubt that you do. Yet you seem to think this is the most plausible explanation for the events on 9/11.
OGEvilgenius
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We'll go further and say it's a very fast truck (still though, only a few car lengths distance) capable of 0-60 in under 3 seconds (close to the force of gravity). Do you deny that there would still be two trucks left after all is said in done (granted, highly damaged trucks, but still something that resembles a truck) ?
doc111
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Apples and oranges............
lifegoesonbrah
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[video=youtube;7WYdAJQV100]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100[/video]
Just pull it brah
Just pull it brah
kelly4
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Find me where I said Floors disappeared.
Your IQ is the only thing that has disappeared.
As for the third paragraph, I have NO IDEA what you are rambling about, LOSER!
A pile of dust?.....??????? WTF are you talking about? Have you taken your meds today? Seriously.
Find me anything close to where I said anything should turn to dust......Anything LOSER!
You can't win your arguement so you make shit up? That's what my 6 year old does.
ginjawarrior
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lol for all his faults old wil e was a doer he never sat about complaining. i think you give the twoofers here too much creditI always thought of the truthers as having "Wile E. Coyote" physics knowledge.
[video=youtube;STeVTzWelns]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STeVTzWelns[/video]
ginjawarrior
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MellowFarmer
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Shhhh don't believe everything you see on tv
MellowFarmer
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Someone explain what is to me a smoking gun?
I admittedly only know what little I know about fires and controlled demolitions from the very convincing experts who claim explosives so feel free to explain something to me as if to a child.
I, however, am an Aviation Expert if not in court, def here.
Putting aside claims of witnesses that the black boxes were indeed recovered in darkness aside... Where did the black boxes go? They are built to withstand as much force and heat as possible as they are built for the one sole purpose of surviving plane crashes to tell it's sad tale. Now, could this be possible fire/demo experts? I believe it is 3400 x force of itself??
NEXT, the gods in the sky. Air Traffic Controllers are very sharp, very attentive and usually on top of their game. A pilot strays a few degrees from the assigned heading a stern correction is immediate and if no response, they'll have a fighter jet next to you in less than 5 min. WTF was going on in the control towers that day? Why are they all mute on the subject? How could the FIRST plane hit and be thought by anyone to be an accident and then the 2nd... it's just not plausible!
Also, friends sadly nose dived in a Corporate Jet like the smaller Delta regionals just after take off and they disintegrated. No bodies could be found or very little. How could a slightly larger aircraft traveling at a much higher speed and force not only NOT disintigrate, but contact the building with force great enough to bring it down. It doesn't make sense.
It just doesn't make sense.
I admittedly only know what little I know about fires and controlled demolitions from the very convincing experts who claim explosives so feel free to explain something to me as if to a child.
I, however, am an Aviation Expert if not in court, def here.
Putting aside claims of witnesses that the black boxes were indeed recovered in darkness aside... Where did the black boxes go? They are built to withstand as much force and heat as possible as they are built for the one sole purpose of surviving plane crashes to tell it's sad tale. Now, could this be possible fire/demo experts? I believe it is 3400 x force of itself??
NEXT, the gods in the sky. Air Traffic Controllers are very sharp, very attentive and usually on top of their game. A pilot strays a few degrees from the assigned heading a stern correction is immediate and if no response, they'll have a fighter jet next to you in less than 5 min. WTF was going on in the control towers that day? Why are they all mute on the subject? How could the FIRST plane hit and be thought by anyone to be an accident and then the 2nd... it's just not plausible!
Also, friends sadly nose dived in a Corporate Jet like the smaller Delta regionals just after take off and they disintegrated. No bodies could be found or very little. How could a slightly larger aircraft traveling at a much higher speed and force not only NOT disintigrate, but contact the building with force great enough to bring it down. It doesn't make sense.
It just doesn't make sense.
MellowFarmer
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You completely miss the point. The point of a controlled demolition is to minimize the amount of debris that travel outwards from the building as it comes falling down. Also, it is freakin NYC, not Haiti the buildings were built to code even if the code may have changed over the years not that freakin much....
doc111
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Oh really????You completely miss the point. The point of a controlled demolition is to minimize the amount of debris that travel outwards from the building as it comes falling down. Also, it is freakin NYC, not Haiti the buildings were built to code even if the code may have changed over the years not that freakin much....
I'm sorry, but I'm having a real hard time understanding you.
Building codes DO change over time and they have little to do with this tragedy. There was a video posted earlier on that has the guy who designed the towers. He said that they based the crash rating of the towers on the largest plane at the time.........the 707. Unfortunately, they didn't consider the fuel when doing their calculations. It's a seemingly small oversight, but I assure you, the designer/s of those buildings are regretting it now. The guy who designed the building seems to believe that fuel laden 767's (which are bigger than a 707 I believe) were capable of bringing the towers down and HE designed the things! If I were him and thought it was "impossible" to bring those towers down without explosive charges, I would be shouting it from the rooftops! He isn't, so it means one of a couple of things; a.) he is not very smart b.) he is being silenced by the govt. c.) he knows that it probably was possible.
ginjawarrior
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the forces involved in the WTC building ripping themselves to shreds is HUGE i highly doubt we have the capability of building ANYTHING at all that could survive such an environment intact. the other sites where there wasnt such destruction the flight recorders were found. you got to realise that these crashes weren't like normal crashes either where the pilot is doing everything he can to land/crash safely as possible. the terrorists were flying full throttle into thingsSomeone explain what is to me a smoking gun?
I admittedly only know what little I know about fires and controlled demolitions from the very convincing experts who claim explosives so feel free to explain something to me as if to a child.
I, however, am an Aviation Expert if not in court, def here.
Putting aside claims of witnesses that the black boxes were indeed recovered in darkness aside... Where did the black boxes go? They are built to withstand as much force and heat as possible as they are built for the one sole purpose of surviving plane crashes to tell it's sad tale. Now, could this be possible fire/demo experts? I believe it is 3400 x force of itself??
you talking about post 911 air traffic control here?
the fighter jet in less than 5 mins is laughable too i would love to see some evidence from you to back this claim up
180 tons flying at 500-600 miles an hour is a huge amount of energy it doesnt matter if its made of aluminum or not when it hits something its going to put that energy into what it hits. the planes did very much disintegrate but your living in cuckoo world if you think nothing else will be damaged by itAlso, friends sadly nose dived in a Corporate Jet like the smaller Delta regionals just after take off and they disintegrated. No bodies could be found or very little. How could a slightly larger aircraft traveling at a much higher speed and force not only NOT disintigrate, but contact the building with force great enough to bring it down. It doesn't make sense.
It just doesn't make sense.
doc111
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During the Cold War era, I believe it's plausible that fighter jets could've, and probably would've been scrambled very quickly. We don't have NORAD or SAC anymore and it's also my understanding that there were only a small amount of planes that are on standby on the East Coast at the time (like 2-4 I think). When a plane turns its transponder off, it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. There are thousands of flights in the air over U.S. airspace at any given time. 4 planes vs. thousands. This was unprecedented. There was no way to know what the intentions of the hijackers was until it was too late. Flight 93 WAS intercepted by F-16's but was crashed by the passengers or hijackers before the order to shoot it down could be given. Even if it WAS shot down those people were all doomed from the moment they stepped onto that plane. They were going to die, one way or another. People were unaware of just how stripped down our military was post Cold War. We got caught with our pants down, plain and simple.
ginjawarrior
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theres a huge difference between scrambled quickly and at your wing tip in 5 mins tho even in the cold war era you couldnt have had anything near as quick as that. and during the cold war the planes would have been positioned to intercept incoming planes not planes already over north american landDuring the Cold War era, I believe it's plausible that fighter jets could've, and probably would've been scrambled very quickly. We don't have NORAD or SAC anymore and it's also my understanding that there were only a small amount of planes that are on standby on the East Coast at the time (like 2-4 I think). When a plane turns its transponder off, it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. There are thousands of flights in the air over U.S. airspace at any given time. 4 planes vs. thousands. This was unprecedented. There was no way to know what the intentions of the hijackers was until it was too late. Flight 93 WAS intercepted by F-16's but was crashed by the passengers or hijackers before the order to shoot it down could be given. Even if it WAS shot down those people were all doomed from the moment they stepped onto that plane. They were going to die, one way or another. People were unaware of just how stripped down our military was post Cold War. We got caught with our pants down, plain and simple.
the previous intercept over north america took 1 hour 20 mins before a f16 was there at its side and that was with transponder working
our resident "aviation expert" has highly unrealistic ideas about what is actually possible
http://www.911myths.com/html/67_intercepts.html
doc111
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Yeah, 5 minutes???? No way in hell! They didn't even know exactly where these planes were or how many there were until late in the afternoon. We heard rumors of car bombs in Washington D.C..........it was mass chaos that day! And, you are absolutely right! There was no "drill" for intercepting domestic passenger airliners. Probably is now, but not back in 2001. For some reason because it only takes 30 seconds to scramble a jet in the movies, people think it works this way in real life. This isn't Hollywood folks. lol!
MellowFarmer
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Oh really????
I'm sorry, but I'm having a real hard time understanding you.
You done? My final answer is
b.) he is being silenced by the govt.
we need a troll face