The Story of 9/11

doc111

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You done? My final answer is

b.) he is being silenced by the govt.

:dunce: we need a troll face
..................along with the hundreds or even thousands of people it would've SURELY taken to pull an operation of this magnitude off? Not buying it. Sorry, but you can't keep ONE person quiet, let alone hundreds or thousands. ;-)

I'm not sure why you think "we" need a troll face.:-? Are you implying that I am a "troll" simply because you disagree with me?:roll:
 

MellowFarmer

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doc111:7412645 said:
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You done? My final answer is

b.) he is being silenced by the govt.

:dunce: we need a troll face
..................along with the hundreds or even thousands of people it would've SURELY taken to pull an operation of this magnitude off? Not buying it. Sorry, but you can't keep ONE person quiet, let alone hundreds or thousands. ;-)

I'm not sure why you think "we" need a troll face.:-? Are you implying that I am a "troll" simply because you disagree with me?:roll:
The Mafia managed to silence it sheep so well Capone got sucker punched w Tax Evasion. I do not think you are a troll. Why do you ask?

:confused: Hey we need a pig face on here.
 

NoDrama

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We don't have NORAD or SAC anymore
Still have NORAD and SAC, had em during 911 too.

I wonder how a jet fighter can possibly find another jet fighter if that other jet fighter doesn't have a transponder? Are you trying to convince us that Jets and ATC don't know how to use RADAR and that without a transponder RADAR no longer works?

When a plane turns off its transponder they are still on RADAR, they don't just up and disappear.

Might wanna get at least one of your facts right.

It took over 1 hour between the first crash and the last, you trying to tell us in 1 hour no one was able to scramble a jet?You don't really think a military jet on standby takes longer than 8 minutes to get in the air do you?

Military stripped down? In the year 2001, the defense budget was larger than the previous 5 years before it. Not exactly stripped down.
 

ginjawarrior

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Still have NORAD and SAC, had em during 911 too.

I wonder how a jet fighter can possibly find another jet fighter if that other jet fighter doesn't have a transponder? Are you trying to convince us that Jets and ATC don't know how to use RADAR and that without a transponder RADAR no longer works?

When a plane turns off its transponder they are still on RADAR, they don't just up and disappear.

Might wanna get at least one of your facts right.

It took over 1 hour between the first crash and the last, you trying to tell us in 1 hour no one was able to scramble a jet?You don't really think a military jet on standby takes longer than 8 minutes to get in the air do you?

Military stripped down? In the year 2001, the defense budget was larger than the previous 5 years before it. Not exactly stripped down.
as previously stated it took 1 hour 20 mins to reach Payne Stewart's Learjet in 1999 when they lost contact with it

jets were scrambled but none had the time to reach flights

but then again after all these years YOU KNOW ALL THIS DONT YOU?
 

doc111

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Still have NORAD and SAC, had em during 911 too.

I wonder how a jet fighter can possibly find another jet fighter if that other jet fighter doesn't have a transponder? Are you trying to convince us that Jets and ATC don't know how to use RADAR and that without a transponder RADAR no longer works?

When a plane turns off its transponder they are still on RADAR, they don't just up and disappear.

Might wanna get at least one of your facts right.

It took over 1 hour between the first crash and the last, you trying to tell us in 1 hour no one was able to scramble a jet?You don't really think a military jet on standby takes longer than 8 minutes to get in the air do you?

Military stripped down? In the year 2001, the defense budget was larger than the previous 5 years before it. Not exactly stripped down.
Forgive me, I misspoke. It's my understanding that after the Cold War NORAD's efforts turned to drug interdiction, not monitoring of commercial airliners. I'm also no aviation expert, but it was my understanding that Secondary Radar (SSR) is much more accurate and gives a lot more information than Primary Radar. It's also my understanding that these 2 systems operated independently at the time, so there was a bit of lag time in locating the airliners that had turned their transponders off. There are a lot of planes in the sky at any given time. I would imagine that finding aircraft that had turned off their transponders would take a little bit of time. Remember, they had no idea how many or exactly where the planes were until it was too late.
 

doc111

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The instant the transponders went off they would have been notified.
I'm pretty sure "they" were notified! Do you think "they" have a red phone like Commissioner Gordon that rings right straight to the Bat Cave? lol! At that time, not many government agencies cooperated with one another. There were no checklists or contingencies for this sort of thing. In the days following 9/11 it was one of the top priorities of groups like the FBI and CIA (to name a couple) cooperating and sharing information.
 

lifegoesonbrah

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Here is a good video showing what was going on with communications and radar:
(reasonably unbiased, lets you hear comm and see radar for yourself)

[video=youtube;KhdppHwUJ9k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhdppHwUJ9k[/video]
 

NoDrama

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as previously stated it took 1 hour 20 mins to reach Payne Stewart's Learjet in 1999 when they lost contact with it

jets were scrambled but none had the time to reach flights

but then again after all these years YOU KNOW ALL THIS DONT YOU?
Yes I do, the airspace above Washington DC is the most protected in the world, yet the pentagon sustained a direct hit. Kind of begs the question, is it even possible for our government to do anything right? Can they even protect us from the mundane? If a person in a cave can get people who can't even fly to penetrate our defenses, just how hard would it be for some other country like China or N Korea to put a sub on our shore and lob nukes at all of our biggest cities and we would be dumbfounded as to where they are. I was in the Military, I was a grunt and did a Lat move to Airwing and I worked on F-4 phantoms and F/A 18's and I know for a fact that pilots on standby can be up in the air in less than 8 minutes ( in the Marines anyway) and don't need a transponder to find a enemy plane, hell the plane can be 20 miles from visual and they can lock on and blow it away without ever even seeing anything.
 

NoDrama

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I'm not going to comment on Pilots for 9/11 Truth. I'll let this link do the talking.;-)

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/07/pilots-for-911.html
That site is nothing more than one big Ad Hominem. Guy calls the pilots "idiotic moonbats" in the first sentence. Probably not a credible source, but you used it. The whole fucking page is nothing more than some moron calling people names, that isn't a source and you should be ashamed to call it such.
 

ginjawarrior

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Yes I do, the airspace above Washington DC is the most protected in the world, yet the pentagon sustained a direct hit.
pre 911 really? even now? you have permenant anti aircraft batteries and patriot missiles on constant readiness there before 911 or today?

Kind of begs the question, is it even possible for our government to do anything right?
Can they even protect us from the mundane? If a person in a cave can get people who can't even fly to penetrate our defenses, just how hard would it be for some other country like China or N Korea to put a sub on our shore and lob nukes at all of our biggest cities and we would be dumbfounded as to where they are.
erm isnt the point about attcak subs that they have ability to strike unannounced? its a sad truth but thats something welll all face and it reason why USA has their own subs
I was in the Military, I was a grunt and did a Lat move to Airwing and I worked on F-4 phantoms and F/A 18's and I know for a fact that pilots on standby can be up in the air in less than 8 minutes ( in the Marines anyway) and don't need a transponder to find a enemy plane, hell the plane can be 20 miles from visual and they can lock on and blow it away without ever even seeing anything.
theres a huge difference between acquiring a target in a clean war zone and picking one plane out of the air amongst thousands of civilian planes you really expected the scrambled pilots to be loosing missiles at civilian planes without making visual first?

even with this 6 min scramble time you claim you still have not explained when even with all that why it took 1 hour 20 mins for the to reach the golfer who's plane had transporter working

you were caught in a time of peace with you pants down, yet all that proves is your government is feckless it does nothing to show culpability
 

doc111

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That site is nothing more than one big Ad Hominem. Guy calls the pilots "idiotic moonbats" in the first sentence. Probably not a credible source, but you used it. The whole fucking page is nothing more than some moron calling people names, that isn't a source and you should be ashamed to call it such.
Sorry, but they are a fucking joke.:dunce:
 

bird mcbride

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The 9/11 style of attack attack was thought up by me in a coffee shop in Toronto when I got caught up in an argument between Iraqis and Americans. The Yankees made the dumb mistake of asking me what I'd do if they bombed Canada. A few days later I had some concerns so I made an effort to have the runways at Gander paved and usible.
 

deprave

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The 9/11 style of attack attack was thought up by me in a coffee shop in Toronto when I got caught up in an argument between Iraqis and Americans. The Yankees made the dumb mistake of asking me what I'd do if they bombed Canada. A few days later I had some concerns so I made an effort to have the runways at Gander paved and usible.
so thats why we bombed iraq for 9/11?
 

bird mcbride

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It all really makes no sense because for decades the Americans and Iraq were on the same side but after the Soviet Union desintigrated the relationship between the US and Iraq became hostile and the US attacted the leadership of Iraq who simply should have recieved a summons to go to court for crimes of war.
 
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