The Thought of Thought

Zahet, tonight I am going to tackle this thread. I have been avoiding it because everytime I look at the title "Thought of Thought", my mind spins.

edit: I quess not tonight, just got in and am tired.

Zaehet Strife said:

man, to tell you the truth. i don't know, i have noooo idea. i just have a feeling, or a calling or something... it cannot be explained with words, but the fact is that i do not know, and i might not ever know, but that is not the point. i think it is the journey to find it...

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The Journey is always the Best part, but you already know that!!

Zaehet Strife said:

in the next few weeks i will be moving into the country with my best friend and his wife. im going to give them the title to my car, my tv, my computer, microwave, i pod, gameboy, everything i have external of me i will give to them. (as a sort of compensation for allowing me to live there and continue with my journey in peace, as well as cleaning up for them, doing dishes'n what not to make my stay welcome)

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Sounds fair and quite generous of you, but you should atleast keep the gameboy.

Zaehet Strife said:

i will never again use money, not many people will ever understand that and i dont expect anyone to. and i dont expect anyone to take this literally, and to just do what i do and thats the only way to do it... everyone is different. everyone goes on their own distinctive journey whatever that may be. im guess at the begininning i was trying to get people to do things the way i am going to, becuase im scared.

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I won't take you literally about never using money again, but I can say that I do understand how you feel. I was scared once, but let me share something with you in all kindness...

"In the absence of wind, a pile of cotton can think itself to be as strong and steadfast as a great mountain, but open a window, even just a little bit, and that pile of cotton had thought itself a mountain is soon blown willy-nilly all about the room. To be a real mountain is to live in the world, unscathed, untouched, and unencumbered by the vicissitudes of life. To be able not just to see but to experience the underlying peace that exists within even the most chaotic of situations, that is true peace. To run from the world is a fool's errand, at best. One must learn to live in the world, but not be of the world."

Z' I wish you good luck as well and hope you find peace on your journey

Zahet:
First off I am going to respond to you on the basis of teacher/student. In order to clearly comprehend this beautiful universe/universes we must never put ourselves in a position of higher or lower excistance.
For even a blade of grass is willing to teach us something and likewise we have a lesson for the blade of grass too.

To truly understand our excistance we must step back and strip ourselves of our thoughts and egos, not our personal belongings. The materials of this world, whatever shape man makes them into mean nothing at all, they are just a tool. Brazko's quote said it very eloquently, basically "to be a real mountain" you must be able to reach your higher self in all circumstances, happy and sad, pain and pleasure, rich or poor, etc...

There are some that have been down your avenue ahead of you, as you most assuradly have been down alleyways first before others. Always look for the entity that may have possibly passed this way first, gleam the knowledge from them, otherwise your journey will be long and difficult if you try to find your own way.

I stand at the avenue you are looking to venture into, not as a teacher but as a fellow traveller. I will tell you what you want to do is not nessecary to bring further enlightenment.
But if you continue onward, it maybe that you are required to take this step to advance further. I tell you that there is no right or wrong path there.

In this life of mine, many have said why have you done this, my reply because it was required of me to get to this point in time.
So the correctness of a situation is questionable, for all actions lead to learning.


Now onto our place in the scheme of everything, for this one will and should smash your ego to bits, it does for me.
When I meditate, I begin by pulling back from the earth and continuing to travel out into space.
Once I begin to travel beyond our galaxy I already have thouroughly destroyed any of mans great thoughts of greatness.
By the time I begin to loose sight of our galaxy, I have brought myself to a place where I become one with the energies of vastness.
At this point I have sluffed my ego and I find this a time of learning.
We are energies, spirit filled energies, but everytime I sense a greater spirit giving presence, there is a power beyond our comprehension.
Our spot on this speck of sand embodied in a large galaxy, embodied in a cluster, super cluster, mega cluster, hung on a thread, in a vast universe/universes.
We are but nothing and at the same time everything. There is order in chaos.
Rejoice in a power that is driving this.
That is total immersion for myself, which leaves me so estatic because it is controlled, for if it was not it would not be here.

Sorry got drug off there for abit.
Zahet, you have been given a gift few ever recieve, the gift of searching, use every tool possibly to fufill your destiny.
Giving up your tools will not get you further, it will only hamper you, I know I have gone this way.
There are powers that do not want you to learn, be careful of these for they are powerfull.
Enjoy life, but always remember you prime directive to comprehend the awesomeness of this gift of life.

Peace to you my fellow traveller.

thanks Brazko, you have no idea how much that means to me man. the money thing is for real though, money doesnt exist, it isnt real... so it shouldnt be hard for me to get rid of it. money is something invisible that doesnt exist that you trade someone for their time or labor.

i know it must be about balance.. ive thought yes im going to start a garden with vegetables and fruits along with marijuana. i realize there are some things that i know i wont be able to make myself, or acquire without a trade of some kind. say i need some toothpaste, i know that i will need to trade something... weather it be my time, labor or product that the earth has supplied for me. and im also aware that probably the product i am going to trade for these things that i must have (toothpaste toothbrush soap wax ect.) will be exchanged for money, and they will probably use the money to get the good and then they will give it to me. there is no other way around that unless i want to stop brushing my teeth or taking baths lol. its something ive thought about for a really really long time. i know it must be about balance, and if im not personally handling or useing the money... in my mind i will be able to justify trading my goods for things i know people have acquired with money. it sucks there really isnt another way around it, so i know there must be a balance.

i cant forget about the "real" world outside of myself or the people in it. i know i cant totally submerge myself in my journey because if i do, i might end up losing myself in the process...

thank you so much yet again Brazko, everyone thinks im crazy (which makes no difference to me) but its just so nice, so very reassuring when i know there is someone out there who can empathize with me. which i know is probably my fear talking, but it feels good anyways. thank you so much, and good luck to you too man. peace and love.

plantvision, thanks bro. i really appreciate the time you spent to write that shit down for me. any insight about this stuff is good for me i know. but yes i feel like the only way to continue on with what im about to do, is to give everything up external of me. i think thats the only way ill be able to find out who or what i really am. i have this gut feeling (its a scary one too) that over time... as i see things from a new perspective, i might lose interest in things i used to think were fun (video games and such) to find that there are more interesting things for me to occupy my time with.

i am getting rid of everything but, my tools, books and art. those are things i deem important enough for me to keep. but who knows someday i might not even need those things.

either way, thank you so much for the insight and the encouragement really means a lot bro. good luck man, i hope you have a fantastic journey.

Z,

If spirit is pulling you in a certain direction there is always a reason for it. If you have the means of following it, then you should. I wish you blessings and wisdom.

The most important thing to remember is that the moment you find your path has led you in an entirely unexpected direction, is the moment you know it brought you exactly where you needed to go.

thank you karr, i wish you luck as well my friend

i thought a thought once, then thought for a minute and realized that was not the thought i thought it was.

All thought is relativite to the mind or that things can only be known through their effects on the mind Consequently their can be no knowledge of reality as it is in the self