The Truth About Flushing

Budley Doright · Jun 18, 2017

Dr. Who said:
Down here the Skamania's are starting to hit on the piers. Should get a real hard bite for a cpl of weeks - now that the temps are dropping a bit to more normal. Love catching the Skam's in summer and Steelhead in the later fall and winter.....I prefer them to Salmon.
Don't get me wrong. Salmon are a blast, that big initial "run" by Kings is fun as hell but, nothing beats the "aerial" adventures of a Skam or a Steely!

The Laker fishery has seriously improved on Lake Michigan over the years. Early boat fishing for the big lake fish, generally mean limit catch's of lakers.....You can catch some seriously large "Footballs" if you get out and literally troll around floating ice in the spring!
Um, that would be Brown trout if'n ya never heard them called "footballs" for the biggest lake living browns, that return to the streams in the fall to spawn...11 pounds plus is fairly common on those.....Not a lot of us get so excited to go out and be cold to run that fishery.

I go out with a cpl of friends and we drop our winter steel head boat(s) in the big lake to do it.
Boat is like this one..

Heated interior

"FOOTBALL" = Big Lake based Brown trout. Borrowed this pic as an example.....once in awhile you'll get one while early fall fishing rivers for steely's. Mostly at Dam base. But early spring, on the big lake......YEAH BABY! Great fighting fish with masterful leaps!

This is a dang big brown! It does happen though!

That's a nice brown! And yup we call em footballs as well. The boat in my Avatar is a 27 Rinker walk around that was parked at Darlington for 8 years, out every weekend and two weeks holidays for the Salmon Hunt, she's parked in the Gulf of Mexico now, sold her last year

. I don't get out much anymore as Im busier than ever at work. Our lake only has lakers but did have some nice rainbows that were stocked and didn't live much past 5 years, still got up to 25 lbs due to the smelt in here. I assume that's a lamprey wound? Caught one a week ago on the big lake, lamprey I mean.

Mr.Head · Jun 18, 2017

Dr. Who said:
YOU SAID -
"There's a million reasons not to use t5's and very few to use them in flower especially when you can customize your spectrums with LED's super easily. T5's are a waste of fuckin money."

As for the Toxic part - So what..... You think your going to save the world from mercury by not using fluorescent lighting?
Tell me here. What is the lighting in your kitchen? Bath? Basement? Garage?

Now tell me how much more mercury is in those good old T12's and T8's vs. the T5? Think CFL's don't have any? Think again pal, they just are so small that no one's taking them into account. Now, tell me how many of those are going into open landfills? You think that the volume of those has increased any to make up for the lower amounts of Floro's of bigger size?

The ability to deliver spectral needs is very easy to do in T5 lighting!

It's all a choice! Just because he doesn't subscribe to your opinion. Doesn't mean he's wrong by using them!

If (and he does) use enough to deliver the needed intensity, and spectral spread.....IT WORKS!

THAT'S MY POINT!

PS, as for spectral spread on LED,,,,,If it ain't COB's it ain't worth the time or severely increased cost!
Those super dooper LED banks claim as much BS as AN does.....I have yet to see ONE brand that prebuilds and says "We supply UV" - To have the RIGHT UV nanometer banding to actually make a difference to effect anything but your wallet!

What did ODIN say about LED's?

HE'S RIGHT!

LED my entire house has LED lights. LED's cost about $5 after the government rebate.

I don't know why you're acting like a fucking retard putting words in my mouth.... You're clearly looking for a fight...

Just to be clear, I never said CFL's don't have Mercury in them in fact I said I threw out plants because I broke bulbs, If I am not mistaken. But hey be a fucking idiot and put words in my mouth. I never provided any information that wasn't based on facts.

I don't know if you've had a bad day or what, but all of our previous interactions have been cordial, I never provided any information that was wrong, it's not what I do... ever... I back up my statements with facts. If I don't know I don't talk.

Fact using T5's is taking an unnecessary risk, one that is no longer needed to be taken. You also clearly have no fucking clue what you are talking about when it comes to LED's but that's fine because you know literally everything fucking else? Right bud? Fucking clownshoes.

Fluorescent lights all contain mercury fuckboi I never said they didn't, in fact I said they did. But sure be a fucking re re and try and put words in my mouth lol.

t5's are fuckin antiques. Doesn't mean you can't grow pot with them, there's just no reason to anymore....

Budley Doright · Jun 18, 2017

I love my T5's for vegging and starting cuttings ..... just saying lol. Good LED's are still way over priced here, even the DIY route, I priced out a basic COB setup and it's close to $400 or I would be building a few

MichiganMedGrower · Jun 18, 2017

Dr. Who said:
Utter bull shit....cept for the cost part...

As long as you can supply the right intensity and spectrum.....The "source" does not matter!

I am not in this stupid argument about light bulbs but intensity is the whole point. And t-5's have no real overlap stacked so more will not help them compete unless your plants are only a foot tall and spread out wide and low. And then it is still debatable from my research and experience.

I would go the other way for sure if I had higher ceilings. I would use 1000w hps and mh. I have found higher intensity can grow more potent flowers.

And so did Ed Rosenthal over 30 years ago.

By the way this was the first point I made that pissed the t-5 buying riddlers off. They were mad they already invested I guess. At least 7 of them ganged up on me for posting this point.

Only mentioning this for perspective.

MichiganMedGrower · Jun 18, 2017

Dr. Who said:
YOU SAID -
"There's a million reasons not to use t5's and very few to use them in flower especially when you can customize your spectrums with LED's super easily. T5's are a waste of fuckin money."

As for the Toxic part - So what..... You think your going to save the world from mercury by not using fluorescent lighting?
Tell me here. What is the lighting in your kitchen? Bath? Basement? Garage?

Now tell me how much more mercury is in those good old T12's and T8's vs. the T5? Think CFL's don't have any? Think again pal, they just are so small that no one's taking them into account. Now, tell me how many of those are going into open landfills? You think that the volume of those has increased any to make up for the lower amounts of Floro's of bigger size?

The ability to deliver spectral needs is very easy to do in T5 lighting!

It's all a choice! Just because he doesn't subscribe to your opinion. Doesn't mean he's wrong by using them!

If (and he does) use enough to deliver the needed intensity, and spectral spread.....IT WORKS!

THAT'S MY POINT!

PS, as for spectral spread on LED,,,,,If it ain't COB's it ain't worth the time or severely increased cost!
Those super dooper LED banks claim as much BS as AN does.....I have yet to see ONE brand that prebuilds and says "We supply UV" - To have the RIGHT UV nanometer banding to actually make a difference to effect anything but your wallet!

What did ODIN say about LED's?

HE'S RIGHT!

Doc. You have not seen in person his flowering area or spindly plants or smoked his weed.

I have a best friend who has visited and smoked his and I have smoked a few examples and it sure doesn't work as advertised.

Anyone can make themselves look better here online.

Budley Doright · Jun 18, 2017

I keep reading about this or that light grows more potent plants but is there any actual proof of this? I'm having a hard time believing that an LED will grow more potent weed than HID or visa versa. Perhaps UV plays a roll but I'm reading all the statements that LED is more potent, t5 is more potent, etc. but have not seen any actual studies.

Dr.Nick Riviera · Jun 18, 2017

so, does anyone run mass amounts of water thru their pots for the last 2 weeks? lol

CannaBruh · Jun 18, 2017

Dr.Nick Riviera said:
so, does anyone run mass amounts of water thru their pots for the last 2 weeks? lol

The dood who took both 1st place spots for sativa and indica does.... but he probably ruined his crop right?
http://grassrootscraftcup.com/2017-winners/

Depending on how fast they ripen up I like to give them a few days of water in dwc, if they look "done" at 56 (barely any new white or no new white) then I'll start the "flush" at that point up to day 70 or whenever they want to be done. Sometimes that flush might not start until day 63-70. GML is flushing a bit before that and then going hard, maybe a bit overkill but who am I to say his results speak for themselves with the cup wins.

MichiganMedGrower · Jun 18, 2017

Budley Doright said:
I keep reading about this or that light grows more potent plants but is there any actual proof of this? I'm having a hard time believing that an LED will grow more potent weed than HID or visa versa. Perhaps UV plays a roll but I'm reading all the statements that LED is more potent, t5 is more potent, etc. but have not seen any actual studies.

John Berfelo (sp.?) has a pair of videos on YouTube that he grows the same cut under an hps. An led and a 315 cmh.

The second video shows him and his gas chromatograph and the cmh weed was 4% higher than the other two plants.

He also commented the smell of the led was best and the bud size and density were best on hps.

The results are in the 2nd video below the test vid linked.

MichiganMedGrower · Jun 18, 2017

CannaBruh said:
The dood who took both 1st place spots for sativa and indica does.... but he probably ruined his crop right?
http://grassrootscraftcup.com/2017-winners/

Depending on how fast they ripen up I like to give them a few days of water in dwc, if they look "done" at 56 (barely any new white or no new white) then I'll start the "flush" at that point up to day 70 or whenever they want to be done. Sometimes that flush might not start until day 63-70. GML is flushing a bit before that and then going hard, maybe a bit overkill but who am I to say his results speak for themselves with the cup wins.

Yes but we don't know how hard he pushes his plants with fertilizer. Increasing the need for fresh water during ripening.

jonsnow399 · Jun 18, 2017

The point being missed here is that RM3 didn't say that T5's were just OK for growing, he says they are superior to every other light

Budley Doright · Jun 18, 2017

jonsnow399 said:
The point being missed here is that RM3 didn't say that T5's were just OK for growing, he says they are superior to every other light

Yes that's true, I tried to discuss this once under his aka and he hung up on me lol.

MichiganMedGrower · Jun 18, 2017

jonsnow399 said:
The point being missed here is that RM3 didn't say that T5's were just OK for growing, he says they are superior to every other light

He actually used to say that but thinks he has designed a Blurple led that is better. Ask him to link you to the page that he asks for donations to have it actually built so he can try it.

It is only on paper so to speak.

CannaBruh · Jun 18, 2017

MichiganMedGrower said:
Yes but we don't know how hard he pushes his plants with fertilizer. Increasing the need for fresh water during ripening.

We do if we've watched his videos or talked with him during YouTube live streams. :wink:

Besides whether he feeds light or heavy does not take away from two 1st place wins in 2017 using the tried and true flush.

Budley Doright · Jun 18, 2017

CannaBruh said:
We do if we've watched his videos or talked with him during YouTube live streams.

Besides whether he feeds light or heavy does not take away from two 1st place wins in 2017 using the tried and true flush.

I would not be surprised if a lot of the cup winners actually flush there grow.

jonsnow399 · Jun 18, 2017

MichiganMedGrower said:
He actually used to say that but thinks he has designed a Blurple led that is better. Ask him to link you to the page that he asks for donations to have it actually built so he can try it.

It is only on paper so to speak.

Wow! Hlg, Cobkits, Greengenes and all the other light companies had better watch out.

MichiganMedGrower · Jun 18, 2017

CannaBruh said:
We do if we've watched his videos or talked with him during YouTube live streams.

Besides whether he feeds light or heavy does not take away from two 1st place wins in 2017 using the tried and true flush.

It is an old school standard to feed heavy through the cycle and then flush out the pots for the finish.

His is not the only way that works. Pros in every other industry feed to the preferred nitrogen ppm and ratio for the individual crop.

Then just stop fertilizing the last week as it is not needed and to save money. Not for a better tomato or whatever they produce.

Marijuana works the same way as any other plant as far as feeding the proper ratio. Problem is they have not determined the proper ratio yet like the always legal food and flower crops.

These arguments were invented from mis information because weed was so illegal no real info had been printed that was widely available.

He just does what works for him and his rooms and kept getting better at it. Doesn't make it definitive for all Grows.

Budley Doright · Jun 18, 2017

MichiganMedGrower said:
It is an old school standard to feed heavy through the cycle and then flush out the pots for the finish.

His is not the only way that works. Pros in every other industry feed to the preferred nitrogen ppm and ratio for the individual crop.

Then just stop fertilizing the last week as it is not needed and to save money. Not for a better tomato or whatever they produce.

Marijuana works the same way as any other plant as far as feeding the proper ratio. Problem is they have not determined the proper ratio yet like the always legal food and flower crops.

These arguments were invented from mis information because weed was so illegal no real info had been printed that was widely available.

He just does what works for him and his rooms and kept getting better at it. Doesn't make it definitive for all Grows.

Isn't that whole point right there? If it works for you have at'er.

whitebb2727 · Jun 18, 2017

Budley Doright said:
I love my T5's for vegging and starting cuttings ..... just saying lol. Good LED's are still way over priced here, even the DIY route, I priced out a basic COB setup and it's close to $400 or I would be building a few

Meh. I flower with them.

Everyone can argue back and forth. It comes down to the grower more than anything.

Now. I will agree led,the right type, is more efficient than florescent lighting.

Actually t5 is one of the most common horticulture light around the world and t5 it t8 in factory and office lighting.

I love the mixed spectrum I can get with t5. I'm actually thinking of adding led tubes to my cabinet. Maybe even cobs. I would still run t5 mixed with it.

There are certain spectrums led doesn't cover or is not cost effective like uv.

I can easily grow a 3-4 foot plant with t5 and rock hard buds.

Those pots are 15 inch wide. I know those are single cola. They were autos and I needed single cola pics.

With a scrog I could kill it with this setup.

Rock hard nugs comes more from genetics and grow temps in my opinion.

CannaBruh · Jun 18, 2017

MichiganMedGrower said:
It is an old school standard to feed heavy through the cycle and then flush out the pots for the finish.

His is not the only way that works. Pros in every other industry feed to the preferred nitrogen ppm and ratio for the individual crop.

Then just stop fertilizing the last week as it is not needed and to save money. Not for a better tomato or whatever they produce.

Marijuana works the same way as any other plant as far as feeding the proper ratio. Problem is they have not determined the proper ratio yet like the always legal food and flower crops.

These arguments were invented from mis information because weed was so illegal no real info had been printed that was widely available.

He just does what works for him and his rooms and kept getting better at it. Doesn't make it definitive for all Grows.

Missing the point entirely.

My point of referring to the wins and the flush are to stick it in the face of anyone who says it's stupid to flush.

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