The Truth About Flushing

rkymtnman said:

that's how we used to break in the new guys at an old job.

tell them to go get 2 cans of ozone spray from down in the basement.

first they figured out there was no basement and then no such thing as ozone spray.

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Nice One!

The nozzles for our watering heads were brass at the yew farms. Young kid, working during the summer brake from GVSU. Knocked over a bucket with a shit ton of them in it, spread all over hell in the tractor/ equipment barn. One of the guy's sent him to me to find the "Brass Magnet" !!!!

He comes in my office and explains and ask's where to find it. Without blinking, I told him it was at one of the other farm locations, and they keep moving it around between them. "You should call around to find it." I said.

They all played along but, oh did I get phone calls from my foremen! "What the hell was that?" and "You had him call here?"

ROTFLMAO on that one!

Kid didn't speak to me for 3 days - NO shit....Got the stink eye for a week!

I told this new guy I was a manager, then I told him he had to give me head if he wanted to keep his job. After I came, I informed him that I was just joking and I got him good.

CannaBruh said:

Let me know when the "hall of cannabis cultivtors" convenes and we can settle on some convention at that time. Until then many of us have been using these nomenclature within context and have some idea of what we're talking about.

There is convention in engineering, yet we still have people capitalizing Nm for nanometer in this thread, It's wrong, but I haven't taken issue with it.

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Hmm. And in almost everywhere you look it's used. Even in academia you see "730nm" ie, used that way....

mr sunshine said:

I told this new guy I was a manager, then I told him he had to give me head if he wanted to keep his job. After I came, I informed him that I was just joking and I got him good.

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should have told him "I don't even work here but thanks!"

Dr. Who said:

Hmm. And in almost everywhere you look it's used. Even in academia you see "730nm" ie, used that way....

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Are you suggesting that by incorrect use somehow it makes it acceptable?

730nm would be correct, 730Nm is not.

yet I know what you mean without busting balls on improper use of notation.

Can you extend this courtesy to us OGs who still use the flush term please?

Dr. Who said:

Unless it's a COBB LED. It isn't worth the time - in my opinion, and sure as I'm still kicking, others too!

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You'd be wrong, I wouldn't say it's "utter bullshit" in period blood like a fuckin attention seeking drama queen though.

https://horticulturelightinggroup.com/products/90w-board-kit?variant=36388384530
https://www.digikey.com/catalog/en/partgroup/h-series-gen3-series/63464
https://www.digikey.com/en/product-highlight/b/bridgelux/eb-series-modules

There's three alternatives to COB's that people are growing with on this site and showing good results. EB Strips being the cheapest and Samsungs being the best. QB panels using similar LEDs to the Samsung H strips.

I don't see how anyone could use T5's for flowering and in veg. at least be thinking about switching to LED's as the technology continues to get better. And there are UV LED's out there. Rapid LED carries a range of them, I just don't have experience with them or see any benefit to using them personally...

Dr. Who said:

Everybody wants a piece of the pie,,,right? Market share is profit! you get enough who ask for it, and just about anybody will break down for the buck potential....

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I like the dynagro foliage pro 9-3-6. I've run a few start to finish with it. Works great. Simple.

Mr.Head said:

You'd be wrong, I wouldn't say it's "utter bullshit" in period blood like a fuckin attention seeking drama queen though.

https://horticulturelightinggroup.com/products/90w-board-kit?variant=36388384530
https://www.digikey.com/catalog/en/partgroup/h-series-gen3-series/63464
https://www.digikey.com/en/product-highlight/b/bridgelux/eb-series-modules

There's three alternatives to COB's that people are growing with on this site and showing good results. EB Strips being the cheapest and Samsungs being the best. QB panels using similar LEDs to the Samsung H strips.

I don't see how anyone could use T5's for flowering and in veg. at least be thinking about switching to LED's as the technology continues to get better. And there are UV LED's out there. Rapid LED carries a range of them, I just don't have experience with them or see any benefit to using them personally...

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Again. That's your opinion. Not fact.

MichiganMedGrower said:

It is an opinion that those bulbs will do the required task. And not Phillips opinion.

Will still go with Phillips recommendation for use over yours.

And it is really funny you have chosen a dangerous pharmaceutical drug being peddled off label to even more patients whether they need it or not as an analogy.

Lol.

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My recommendation? I never made one? I don't even know what tubes are in question here, all I responded to was a closed-minded statement.

It is all relative. A product produced with one label and use only to later be found to have other effects and uses to only be relabeled.

What do you really know about consumerism?

CannaBruh said:

Are you suggesting that by incorrect use somehow it makes it acceptable?

730nm would be correct, 730Nm is not.

yet I know what you mean without busting balls on improper use of notation.

Can you extend this courtesy to us OGs who still use the flush term please?

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Hey it's ok with me! Hell, I even did it a few days back.....

whadda bout arguing phenotype vs genotype and their misuse here maybe

whitebb2727 said:

I like the dynagro foliage pro 9-3-6. I've run a few start to finish with it. Works great. Simple.

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I have also had good luck with DG foliage pro and it is very affordable. I have yet to find a plant that doesn't like it. I should post a pic of my amaryllis. It just started blooming and has been fed DG foliage pro only. (Medium is 100% coco coir.)
Jacks citrus is also good but can take a few minutes to dissolve completely.
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It's cloudy so this is the best pic I can get right now:

whitebb2727 said:

Again. That's your opinion. Not fact.

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Of course it is. That's why I prefaced it with "I can't see why" that's pretty much the equivalent of "in my opinion".

Try and keep up dude.

Dr. Who said:

Sigh, I'm pointing to the fact that there are strains that don't amber at all - no matter what or where you have them.

There is a thread about that here.

You really had to ask that? No disrespect but, I've been around the block. A few times and still making laps.....

If respect to outdoors. I do see better expression of ambering in strains that do amber.

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I know about them, as I have a couple of strains like that, But even when grow under the natural light of the sun they still improve to a more uniformed cloudy appearance.
If you've been around the block as much as you say you have then surely you've witness the difference from strains grown with natural lighting an artificial lighting? Don't you tout CDMs' as a better spectrum to grow with?
Not trying to be disrespectful here but from experience , intensity and spectrum combined always gives me the best a plant has to offer. Doesn't matter what nutes' you use or how many additives you think you need, as long as it's a fairly balanced diet.

Chunky Stool said:

He's right about smell, sort of.
I expect a certain amount of smell which changes gradually over time. When they suddenly get stinky, something is wrong.
I've got three sativa hybrids outdoors right now. Two of them smell a little bit and one of them is a stinky pig. The stinky one has issues in the root zone that I just started treating with hygrozyme and microbial tea.

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MichiganMedGrower said:

I agree. I refer to a fresh garden smell. The more terps the more odor. Obviously.

But I unfortunately have also smelled the rotten smell of acidic wet soil and rotting roots

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There is a terpene with a peppery nose that is associated with root damage.

However, this is not what @RM3 was referring. If you look back at his "my plants don't stink" posts, he states that there isn't any nose coming off of his plants, that you do not know that pot is growing there until you see the plants. No "nose" from a pot grow is a very bad sign. Knowledgeable/experienced growers should be able to identify most of what you're growing (if not "known" strains, types/related) before ever laying eyes on the plants (via poor filtration, or "blind" entry, etc.). Less nose, less terps, less "developed". For you home growers, your nose will become acclimated to your plants "nose". Leave the house for a while (only way to be sure that you're not acclimated scents escaping your room/ventilation). You should be able to smell them upon return/reentry to your room/tent/closet/etc. Again, this doesn't pertain to rm3 as he's stated that people visiting his grow are "shocked" that they were not able to smell his plants.


Not attaching anyone, just stating that there is room for improvement. Much better than saying "sorry bub, that's as good as it's gonna get".

Mr.Head said:

You'd be wrong, I wouldn't say it's "utter bullshit" in period blood like a fuckin attention seeking drama queen though.

https://horticulturelightinggroup.com/products/90w-board-kit?variant=36388384530
https://www.digikey.com/catalog/en/partgroup/h-series-gen3-series/63464
https://www.digikey.com/en/product-highlight/b/bridgelux/eb-series-modules

There's three alternatives to COB's that people are growing with on this site and showing good results. EB Strips being the cheapest and Samsungs being the best. QB panels using similar LEDs to the Samsung H strips.

I don't see how anyone could use T5's for flowering and in veg. at least be thinking about switching to LED's as the technology continues to get better. And there are UV LED's out there. Rapid LED carries a range of them, I just don't have experience with them or see any benefit to using them personally...

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Drama Queen? Butt hurt still? Heh, like I had to ask.. still didn't call you anything..eh?

Like I said, "I can be hard to take sometimes." Blunt and speak my mind. Not very clear to exactly what I'm addressing at times...If you took that wrong.....well,,,ssssssssooor, , , NOPE, can't say it....

now let me check those links and I'll respond.....

Ok, nice of you to link those interested in that type of thing.....really.

In the world of what I'm doing, they are not going to do what I need.
Yet! LED tech moves so fast that by the time you have next best thing built and running. It's sooo yesterday!

I have 4 T5 8 place banks. A shit ton of bulbs bought at wholesale rates. I use them for vegging. I am about ready to move on to something more, um, modern. I'm leaning COBB but still attracted to CMH and that's changing a bit too (not anywhere as fast as LED).

But right now. If T5 is what you can afford for a small plant/small area grow,, it's still a good choice.....You can do plenty of spectral adjusting and makes for a good platform to learn and grow on.

As far as you "not seeing how anyone could use T5's for bloom." This indicates your bias towards your choice. While I understand and I'll say it again, "your view on the mercury issue." It does not remove the fact that in the right instance, T5's are still a viable choice....

Look Head, drop the unbecoming name calling shit and see that while we both have points....I happen to be correct on this part.

I do rather regret making such a wide open statement. I guess that was my way of throwing back your "across the board dismissal" of them....I'm not sorry for it.....I suspect your not either......fair enough?

Fucken truce, or what?

Odin* said:

There is a terpene with a peppery nose that is associated with root damage.

However, this is not what @RM3 was referring. If you look back at his "my plants don't stink" posts, he states that there isn't any nose coming off of his plants, that you do not know that pot is growing there until you see the plants. No "nose" from a pot grow is a very bad sign. Knowledgeable/experienced growers should be able to identify most of what you're growing (if not "known" strains, types/related) before ever laying eyes on the plants (via poor filtration, or "blind" entry, etc.). Less nose, less terps, less "developed". For you home growers, your nose will become acclimated to your plants "nose". Leave the house for a while (only way to be sure that you're not acclimated scents escaping your room/ventilation). You should be able to smell them upon return/reentry to your room/tent/closet/etc. Again, this doesn't pertain to rm3 as he's stated that people visiting his grow are "shocked" that they were not able to smell his plants.


Not attaching anyone, just stating that there is room for improvement. Much better than saying "sorry bub, that's as good as it's gonna get".

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Exactly what I'm sniffing for first,, and then the soil/root mass for scents of anaerobic actions, when pulling clones/seedlings from solo's (and at up potting) to trans!

mr sunshine said:

Fucken truce, or what?

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Hey, some folks get ruffled by me. So what? I hate big cities and crowds....red necks and Trump.....So lots of folks don't like me....Big deal!

I took the time, and was nice about it, in explaining my view. I see no use in calling head anything.

Wonder how he'd feel if Pinworm, or Chuck E. was the person he spit venom at? LMAO.....Damn miss those guys .

Well, we got another Civil war to watch from the bench's now anyway.. can't say I enjoy that one....

On another note: Love that hyroot quote....

Enigma said:

My recommendation? I never made one? I don't even know what tubes are in question here, all I responded to was a closed-minded statement.

It is all relative. A product produced with one label and use only to later be found to have other effects and uses to only be relabeled.

What do you really know about consumerism?

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That goes on in the pharmaceutical industry all the time!