The Truth About Flushing

Enigma

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I got 2 oscellating wall mount fans, and a 450 CFM intake system on my grow room, trust me that is not the problem, when you got a plant that has a cola the size of a elephants tusk, it tends to bend the stem and will break it.
Oscillating fans are good, if the plants get the right amount of air flow they will grow stronger stems and stalks naturally. If you're still having problems, use a bamboo stake to prop the stalk and tie all the shoots to it.

When I didn't have a fan, a very long time ago, that was strong enough to rustle the leaves I used a stake in the center and tied all the shoots to it, opposing forces held everything perfectly.

:leaf:
 

Odin*

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Yeah i prefer them untopped, and i noticed it happens more on tall plants rather than the short squat ones, might be genetic, i do use silica , maybe i need to use more?
Too much silica will lead to rigid branches that are more prone to snapping than bending/flexing under the weight.

Home Depot/Lowes/OSH/etc carry plastic "rebar". I use the plastic stakes because the bamboo always snaps under the weight (in the middle, or at "topsoil"), resulting in broken branches, or entire plants that have snapped. I also use zip ties to affix them to the "rebar", or chain them together (lowers strung together, from one attached to rebar).

I don't like the trellis';

1. They leave fibers in the buds.
2. The plants become "stationary", unable to be shuffled if necessary.
3. Can't get in to support the tops once they've stretched and gained weight. The trellis becomes the snapping point.
 

Lucky Luke

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You want to play hypothetical? NO dice..

The point which you missed was to demonstrate someone who flushed walked away from the harvest with quality. Which is counter to some who offer that those who flush are throwing away their crop.
Yes, but that would depend on why he was flushing for. As we know flush can mean different things which is why its a silly word to use.
What medium was he in and for what purpose did he flush?
 

CannaBruh

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Yes, but that would depend on why he was flushing for. As we know flush can mean different things which is why its a silly word to use.
What medium was he in and for what purpose did he flush?
Please see the videos for your questions. Grand Master Level on YouTube.

However to quickly address your comment, it really doesn't matter what his intent was. The point is others say a "flush" is a waste of time in this context, so what would be disproved by feeding to the end on his particular grow? I can tell you what it brought when I tried to disprove myself of flushing but I didn't win the cups this year.

He's about to go live if you're genuinely interested in the methods and thought behind it I'd invite you to hop in.

That's not to invite bickering and problems and trolling but to further genuine conversations on the subject we have to be open to each others' criticisms but respectfully with some banter is all good.
 

Lucky Luke

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Please see the videos for your questions. Grand Master Level on YouTube.

However to quickly address your comment, it really doesn't matter what his intent was. The point is others say a "flush" is a waste of time in this context, so what would be disproved by feeding to the end on his particular grow? I can tell you what it brought when I tried to disprove myself of flushing but I didn't win the cups this year.

He's about to go live if you're genuinely interested in the methods and thought behind it I'd invite you to hop in.

That's not to invite bickering and problems and trolling but to further genuine conversations on the subject we have to be open to each others' criticisms but respectfully with some banter is all good.
But yet you didnt answer the question of context. And thats my point about the word..it can mean a few different things.

Im not saying leaching and watering is not useful. I dont think leaching chemicals out of the cells of the plant is even possible (but im not a scientist).

I shall look him up later today, bit early here for a "show". only just finishing my 2nd cup of coffee.
 

CannaBruh

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But yet you didnt answer the question of context. And thats my point about the word..it can mean a few different things.

Im not saying leaching and watering is not useful. I dont think leaching chemicals out of the cells of the plant is even possible (but im not a scientist).

I shall look him up later today, bit early here for a "show". only just finishing my 2nd cup of coffee.
But I have, ad nauseum, best summed up as "pre-harvest practices of old."

In hydroponics there is no "soil", thus no leeching by conventional meaning in a horticulture context.

Do look him up, it's a real opportunity to network and have discussions.

I feel that the forums are conducive for arguments rather than conversations, though good information does get shared it often comes with a lot of noise.
 

Odin*

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Could you please link me or repeat?

Harvest practices of old..im old..lol i remember dissolving sugar in boiling water and watering the plant and then hanging upside down so the THC ran into the buds.....Old does not mean good..
When someone is shown how "to do something", there are those who won't question "why", or dedicate time to researching the possibilities of "why"? Maybe they did ask/research "why", but the person before them didn't. Anyhow, somewhere along the chain things got convoluted (like in the children's game of "Telephone"), and that misinformation gets spread, but that does not invalidate the technique/practice.

Hanging them upside down does not "force" THC into the buds via gravity, but it does effect the drying/curing process.
 

MichiganMedGrower

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When someone is shown how "to do something", there are those who won't question "why", or dedicate time to researching the possibilities of "why"? Maybe they did ask/research "why", but the person before them didn't. Anyhow, somewhere along the chain things got convoluted (like in the children's game of "Telephone"), and that misinformation gets spread, but that does not invalidate the technique/practice.

Hanging them upside down does not "force" THC into the buds via gravity, but it does effect the drying/curing process.

Thank you. "Why?" is the part missing from so many posts and guides in this industry. Not so much in real grow books and Greenhouse guides. Adjusting ph and alkalinity is the most common mis understood copied technique that is unnessary for most growers.

Like you said. Understand why we do things. If your source water is hard enough you "may" need to use the technique and adjust your ph. Or not.

I don't think it's so much like the children's telephone game where the first kid hears red fire truck and the last kid in line hears flat tires suck.

I think people don't read books or real articles so much anymore. And as a result reading comprehension and tolerance suffers.

It's this damn smart phone in my hand doing it I tells ya!
 

Odin*

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Thank you. "Why?" is the part missing from so many posts and guides in this industry. Not so much in real grow books and Greenhouse guides. Adjusting ph and alkalinity is the most common mis understood copied technique that is unnessary for most growers.

Like you said. Understand why we do things. If your source water is hard enough you "may" need to use the technique and adjust your ph. Or not.

I don't think it's so much like the children's telephone game where the first kid hears red fire truck and the last kid in line hears flat tires suck.

I think people don't read books or real articles so much anymore. And as a result reading comprehension and tolerance suffers.

It's this damn smart phone in my hand doing it I tells ya!

Not in a literal sense, just the "message" changing over time because "why" wasn't shared/was forgotten/bro science took its place/etc.

Many are definitely lacking comprehension, or even the gumption to ask/research "why".
 

boilingoil

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Thank you. "Why?" is the part missing from so many posts and guides in this industry. Not so much in real grow books and Greenhouse guides. Adjusting ph and alkalinity is the most common mis understood copied technique that is unnessary for most growers.

Like you said. Understand why we do things. If your source water is hard enough you "may" need to use the technique and adjust your ph. Or not.

I don't think it's so much like the children's telephone game where the first kid hears red fire truck and the last kid in line hears flat tires suck.

I think people don't read books or real articles so much anymore. And as a result reading comprehension and tolerance suffers.

It's this damn smart phone in my hand doing it I tells ya!
Problem is now a days people want instant gratification. Too easy to ask google a question and rely on the answers they get as gospel instead of doing good diligence research.
 

Budley Doright

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what more research does he need, the guy won a cannabis cup and has a youtube video, isn't that "proof"enough? lol
Not a flusher so don't chase me out of the village with pitchforks and torches ....but I think the whole point is he flushed and his product was still good, it didn't keel over and die .... well maybe it did lol. I really think "who the fuck cares". Could we not discuss more relevant things than flushing, like how to design my next RDWC/FD hybrid system lol.
 

Dr.Nick Riviera

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Not a flusher so don't chase me out of the village with pitchforks and torches ....but I think the whole point is he flushed and his product was still good, it didn't keel over and die .... well maybe it did lol. I really think "who the fuck cares". Could we not discuss more relevant things than flushing, like how to design my next RDWC/FD hybrid system lol.
sure, just start a thread called. the truth about RDWC.:bigjoint:
 

boilingoil

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Hell
what more research does he need, the guy won a cannabis cup and has a youtube video, isn't that "proof"enough? lol
My 10 year old grandson has a youtube channel. 1,000's of people have youtube channels. And I don't understand awards unless you need something to stoke your ego.
 

Dr.Nick Riviera

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Hell

My 10 year old grandson has a youtube channel. 1,000's of people have youtube channels. And I don't understand awards unless you need something to stoke your ego.
right, I ask myself this also. why does one need to join and win a cannabis cup?i know why Arjan bought his wins. I know why other ' breeders' got/bought their wins. wonder why the "jungle boys" would want or need to claim a victory, HMMMMM.
 
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