The Truth About Flushing

chemphlegm said:

1)
fer·men·ta·tion
ˌfərmənˈtāSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: fermentation
the chemical breakdown of a substance by bacteria, yeasts, or other microorganisms,

if there is moisture in plant material, sugars/carbs/unburned...they are fermenting in the lack of oxygen/in a jar, the smell is telling too. slow ferment, maybe. fermentation periodically halted ? maybe. = still fermentation

2) likely, I agree. when frozen, jarred, bagged, jarred buried or left in the drying tray.....old weed is ill weed for us now that we know the difference. under my 1600x microscope serious degradation is obvious, no idea of the chem make up but certainly more tiring than when a month old in the dry/room. I dont often have/keep anything over 6 weeks, everyone wants it before then, a preference for fresh herbs. I sent these different techniques/results/samples to my lab and saw the differences too, dont understand them, but old weed is a different animal looking at the numbers. chemical plant make up is changed. thc, thca(?) and down the line, age makes change, that change is ill for us. if it wasnt though......I'd a figured out a way to bury my overages forever by now.

3) I set it and forget it. ac, dehuey and humidifier. tricky to keep them all on or off at the same time but works great now, hands off, no matter the outdoor air(like my grow room). Honestly I dont date my weed in the trays, but a sniff n and whiff is all I need. a toke cements the ideal for me. The room is multi functional for me and agreed I got lucky being able to build a big jar maybe?

4)we come from the same flushing school

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Sorry and Thank you for correcting my definition of the word fermentation. I thought it had something to do with alchohol. I obviously should have looked it up before posting.

I also agree about old weed. I don't know what that is unless you mean the last crums in a forgotten jar.

But in my jar burping method all strains are better than just hang dried with about 2 weeks in the jar. I guess that is the time it take before they are really dry enough. Some strains are already delicious before the jar though. They still go through some changes in the jar.

I do not have a perfect environment for drying and storing like you are saying. The jars help fix that for me.

But what about the strains that evolve over time in the jar? For example. I had a Herijuana x Jack that smelled like shit (poop) when cut and hung. More roadkill Skunk than poop by week 2 in the jar and after about 4 weeks it changed to more of a chocolate maybe coffee too and the flavor was definitely smoother than the skunky stage.

Do you find this to happen in your drying room trays?

Also. The buds stay fresh tasting for 2-3 months or more in jars with proper new lids. (Never had an older one.) I guess if I had to store I would move them to vacuum seal packs.

Just some more thoughts about this I have. I'm smoking the chocolaty Thai cross I mentioned. I think it's because of smokability and it has been long enough for all the cannabanoids to convert or mature but this weed has improved in Flavor. Smell and the high in my opinion.

jarvild said:

Water only in coco coir drain to waste with runoff, feeds up until the flush were 1.0 ec or less. Hydro nute's.
So there is still some green in a plant that had nothing but water for 4 weeks, So what are we really getting rid of with 2 weeks of flushing ?

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Thanks for the info.

I guess we are just clearing out the medium.

If I did what you did for 4 weeks I would have sad looking plants in my room even in ocean forest.

I do use comparatively small pots for the size my plants have been growing.

Those buds look nice. Very nice. But I do have to say my potency and even more the flavor in my tests declined quite a bit when plants finish deficient and worse necrotic on the leaves.

And seemed to improve quite a bit when healthy and green to the end.

I do encourage strains that want to turn colors by tapering the nutes. But hopefully not so much that the leaves start to die.

agreed buds will retain smell longer in a jar, after dried though. but that damned effect is different. same with those buds that seem to get better with time. the majority of what I do smells good and is right for the smoking in two weeks. the effects are stable for a few more, then down hill from there. mostly the effects.
roadkill skunk- I am familiar with what you say. I still preferred her with less than a month or two dried, and ws great a couple weeks in. maybe tastes, effects, smoother words are subjective. some dont like fresh weed but love the more downer effect right? so they would say older is better.
if weed has moisture in it and its sealed -not frozen it will swell while it ferments, creating a bubble of nasty.

we have to do what is best. you like your thai a little smoother, older, chocolaty, I like mine out of the gate, before it settles down. only a preference. some dudes still like redheads right..

chemphlegm said:

agreed buds will retain smell longer in a jar, after dried though. but that damned effect is different. same with those buds that seem to get better with time. the majority of what I do smells good and is right for the smoking in two weeks. the effects are stable for a few more, then down hill from there. mostly the effects.
roadkill skunk- I am familiar with what you say. I still preferred her with less than a month or two dried, and ws great a couple weeks in. maybe tastes, effects, smoother words are subjective. some dont like fresh wed but love the more downer effect right? so they would say older is better.
if weed has moisture in it and its sealed -not frozen it will swell while it ferments, creating a bubble of nasty.

we have to do what is best. you like your thai a little smoother, older, chocolaty, I like mine out of the gate, before it settles down. only a preference. some dudes still like redheads right..

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I am more saying it is plant dependent. I usually grow from seeds so every plant is a surprise unless I get a similar pheno.

Everyone is super happy with a 2 week jar and honestly sometimes I like the results there like you just said. But unless completely dry it will evolve just stored in the jar. I can't freeze it in time?

I also jar the flowers before they are too dry. So like every other discussion about growing I am compensating for a less than ideal drying area. It's good. 50-60% rh. And 68-76 or so degrees in summer. But it can get a little warm for best results so I jar it in a bin in an air conditioned bedroom.

jarvild said:

How about a month long flush, as that is what this got.View attachment 3972671

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whats that for an ungly motherf... in the left upper corner xDDD

MichiganMedGrower said:

I am more saying it is plant dependent. I usually grow from seeds so every plant is a surprise unless I get a similar pheno.

Everyone is super happy with a 2 week jar and honestly sometimes I like the results there like you just said. But unless completely dry it will evolve just stored in the jar. I can't freeze it in time?

I also jar the flowers before they are too dry. So like every other discussion about growing I am compensating for a less than ideal drying area. It's good. 50-60% rh. And 68-76 or so degrees in summer. But it can get a little warm for best results so I jar it in a bin in an air conditioned bedroom.

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stay tuned...one day I'll fuck around with freezing....when our laws change up maybe.

l0wbob2016 said:

whats that for an ungly motherf... in the left upper corner xDDD

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Trash plants. It's what happens when you take 40+ cuttings a month and only need 12 a month for my rotation. The best go into the flower room. the rest gets neglected and thrown out. I throw 100' of plants out in a year's time.

jarvild said:

Water only in coco coir drain to waste with runoff, feeds up until the flush were 1.0 ec or less. Hydro nute's.
So there is still some green in a plant that had nothing but water for 4 weeks, So what are we really getting rid of with 2 weeks of flushing ?

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we'd really have to all sit and sample each technique with each strain and vote. who knows what one poster thinks is good weed and another thinks is smooth and such? I've got patients over the years from all over with results convincing me it different for everyone and different depending on their own health and lifestyle, Rx, drug habits etc

at this stage in the growing my list of anon posters is small, the ones I'm interested in sampling their grown wares. no offense to anyone but I am the pot prick. it has to be perfect and I decide perfect and I change my mind often.

jarvild said:

Water only in coco coir drain to waste with runoff, feeds up until the flush were 1.0 ec or less. Hydro nute's.
So there is still some green in a plant that had nothing but water for 4 weeks, So what are we really getting rid of with 2 weeks of flushing ?

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So you only fertilize for about the first 1/2 of your bloom cycle?
From my rationale, your yields must suffer immensely, in a coco DTW.
I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just curious as to how this technique benefits you or your plants?
I get the 1.0 ec but not the leach.
In DTW I give the plants what they need until the chop. The smoke is smooth, probably because I never really give them too much, in the way of nitrogen, using the Lucas formula.

Bakersfield said:

So you only fertilize for about the first 1/2 of your bloom cycle?
From my rationale, your yields must suffer immensely, in a coco DTW.
I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just curious as to how this technique benefits you or your plants?
I get the 1.0 ec but not the leach.
In DTW I give the plants what they need until the chop. The smoke is smooth, probably because I never really give them too much, in the way of nitrogen, using the Lucas formula.

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That was a test plant. But not a flushing test.
That was testing on the different nutrient profiles and their effects on Anthocyanin production in a certain strain.
I've done a lot of testing on these plants, nothing by scientific standards but with astute observations.
I do not flush my production plants.

chemphlegm said:

we'd really have to all sit and sample each technique with each strain and vote. who knows what one poster thinks is good weed and another thinks is smooth and such? I've got patients over the years from all over with results convincing me it different for everyone and different depending on their own health and lifestyle, Rx, drug habits etc

at this stage in the growing my list of anon posters is small, the ones I'm interested in sampling their grown wares. no offense to anyone but I am the pot prick. it has to be perfect and I decide perfect and I change my mind often.

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I have strains I grow that I don't even smoke myself, and it's my best seller. So ,yes It's really a personal choice what you as a individual like.

I don't see what's wrong with fermented weed, the best things in life are fermentation products
I highly recommend some kæstur hákarl and some skyr!

Budley Doright said:

Being able to stop nutes for two weeks without any noticeable loss in yield could mean there were still adiquate feed in substrate to keep it green. The plant would still have the same nute profile but the substrate would now be close to nute free. Just throwing that out there. A flush test would be a hard to do test using soil I would think where as doing a hydro setup to do side by's would be more accurate. I have not noticed any difference for the most part when trying both.

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Yeah, that's pretty much my feeling too.

jarvild said:

Water only in coco coir drain to waste with runoff, feeds up until the flush were 1.0 ec or less. Hydro nute's.
So there is still some green in a plant that had nothing but water for 4 weeks, So what are we really getting rid of with 2 weeks of flushing ?

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jarvild said:

How about a month long flush, as that is what this got.View attachment 3972671

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The few flushes I have done in hydro had totally different results in how the plant looked compared to yours. My leaves didn't go all wrinkly and brown but yellowed and turned pale. Do yo have a pic of before you started to flush? Where they burnt looking before the flush?

chemphlegm said:

we'd really have to all sit and sample each technique with each strain and vote. who knows what one poster thinks is good weed and another thinks is smooth and such? I've got patients over the years from all over with results convincing me it different for everyone and different depending on their own health and lifestyle, Rx, drug habits etc

at this stage in the growing my list of anon posters is small, the ones I'm interested in sampling their grown wares. no offense to anyone but I am the pot prick. it has to be perfect and I decide perfect and I change my mind often.

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Fuck that's my goal in all of this ..... perfection, it's been a long road lol.

MichiganMedGrower said:

I am more saying it is plant dependent. I usually grow from seeds so every plant is a surprise unless I get a similar pheno.

Everyone is super happy with a 2 week jar and honestly sometimes I like the results there like you just said. But unless completely dry it will evolve just stored in the jar. I can't freeze it in time?

I also jar the flowers before they are too dry. So like every other discussion about growing I am compensating for a less than ideal drying area. It's good. 50-60% rh. And 68-76 or so degrees in summer. But it can get a little warm for best results so I jar it in a bin in an air conditioned bedroom.

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Yesterday I was telling u my plant was struggling I got some pics of today .. I fed her a light dose of nutes 2.5 ml of big bloom and 1.5 ml of grow big 2.5 ml of tiger bloom 1/8 of a teaspoon of epsom salt and 1/8 of a teaspoon of beastie blooms. Do u think it's enough To help it out

Tx-Peanutt said:

Yesterday I was telling u my plant was struggling I got some pics of today .. I fed her a light dose of nutes 2.5 ml of big bloom and 1.5 ml of grow big 2.5 ml of tiger bloom 1/8 of a teaspoon of epsom salt and 1/8 of a teaspoon of beastie blooms. Do u think it's enoughView attachment 3972959 View attachment 3972960 View attachment 3972961 View attachment 3972962 View attachment 3972963To help it out

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You have to watch. Takes a week to really see any improvent when the plant is already like this. But it is an obvious case of pk overload and maybe way too much mag too.

There is enough of everything in the base nutes. You only need to ad Epsom salt if you actually have a mag deficiency. You should always learn to dial in an easy to use base nute before adding anything. How are you supposed to know which bottle or what thing is he problem.

Keep it simple next time is my advice. You got buds there. Best hope is to keep the burn from progressing to them.

Did you leach the pots with fresh water before putting all that back in?

Jeebus man, that poor plant...

I haven't given her any nutes since last wed so she had been getting nothing but water

I gave her half or a quarter of a teaspoon so I really didn't give her a lot recommended dose is 3tsp per gallon