The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

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munch box

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I heard the social security funds are running out, and that I keep paying taxes every week for money I'll never see when I get old, is that true?
 
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redivider

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well the social security fund is safe and sound for another 80 years or so. there's been reports that it'll run out by 2037. no .. that's just conservative alarmists obsessed with doing away with one of the most beloved social safety net programs in this country...


problem is politicians want to raid it and use the money for some other b/s....
 
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munch box

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Social Security disability program running out of funds

Social Security disability program will be insolvent around 2017. The Social Security disability program aids Americans who have been injured even before they reach retirement age.




By Stephen Ohlemacher, Associated Press / August 22, 2011

Laid-off workers and aging baby boomers are flooding the Social Security disability program with benefit claims, pushing the financially strapped system toward the brink of insolvency.
Applications are up nearly 50 percent over a decade ago as people with disabilities lose their jobs and can't find new ones in an economy that has shed nearly 7 million jobs.
The stampede for benefits is adding to a growing backlog of applicants — many wait two years or more before their cases are resolved — and worsening the financial problems of a program that's been running in the red for years.
New congressional estimates say the trust fund that supports Social Security disability will run out of money by 2017, leaving the program unable to pay full benefits, unless Congress acts. About two decades later, Social Security's much larger retirement fund is projected to run dry as well.

If social security retirement runs out in 2 decades, then I will never see a dime of what I'm paying into it. Rick Perry may be on to something here. Could it be a "Ponzi Scheme" ?
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Carthoris said:
You could make the argument that the customers pay for it in higher prices, I suppose. I think we both know that businesses don't reduce their profit to pay for things. They either pay less or charge more. Either way, it amounts to the same thing.

You said you would probably not give it to your employees if you didn't have to pay it. That means they are losing something they get from you currently. If that isn't a reduction in compensation, then what the fuck is it? Santa Claus punishing you for being bad?

I am in management, yes. I get my bonus based on all sorts of stupid shit. Inventory turns, customer satisfaction, inventory level, profit, sales, unemployment, how many of what kind of worker I have. Now that you say that, I believe I do recall a conversation with one of the regional managers where we talked about trying to keep our % down and that was why my bonus was in part from unemployment numbers.
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hey I'm not your everyday greedy business man..I could rise my prices right now, but I don't for I realize times are very hard right now...I keep my prices lower then the next man ALWAYS....My employees are like my family and I went more then out my way to make sure I can provide them with benefits... every last one of them knows they can count on me when they really need it ( dont try to use me..I can see that too )...I'm also in the business to turn a profit for me, wife and children so that MUST come first...My employees are happy and if they are not they can always look for better employment with no hard feelings..I have a very very low turn over rate...in the last 3 years I have only had 1 person leave on bad terms and he was a thief...and you right about the hearing officers sideing with the employee..I told them he was fired for stealing and simple by the fact I didn't call the police ...they gave that bastard unemployment..WTF
 
dukeanthony

dukeanthony

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hazyintentions said:
The Sept.7 debate has been scheduled since long before Obama ever tried to plan his job's speech on Sept 7. Fact.

The question is, did he do it for political points or was he that ignorant that he planned it then with no knowledge of the debate?

I'll leave it to you to choose.
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he informed them
next day Boehner said
NO
 
Prefontaine

Prefontaine

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londonfog said:
hey I'm not your everyday greedy business man..I could rise my prices right now, but I don't for I realize times are very hard right now...I keep my prices lower then the next man ALWAYS....My employees are like my family and I went more then out my way to make sure I can provide them with benefits... every last one of them knows they can count on me when they really need it ( dont try to use me..I can see that too )...I'm also in the business to turn a profit for me, wife and children so that MUST come first...My employees are happy and if they are not they can always look for better employment with no hard feelings..I have a very very low turn over rate...in the last 3 years I have only had 1 person leave on bad terms and he was a thief...and you right about the hearing officers sideing with the employee..I told them he was fired for stealing and simple by the fact I didn't call the police ...they gave that bastard unemployment..WTF
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And we applaud you for that, but your politics is Fucked, ha
as for that guy, if states rights were returned thievery would be punishable by loss of limb, at least in washington
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Ron Paul can't get the nod from the Republicans to run as POTUS.

The question is does he keep running Republican just for political points or is he that ignorant that he think they will actually change their mind

I'll leave it for you to choose.
 
Prefontaine

Prefontaine

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munch box said:
Social Security disability program running out of funds

Social Security disability program will be insolvent around 2017. The Social Security disability program aids Americans who have been injured even before they reach retirement age.




By Stephen Ohlemacher, Associated Press / August 22, 2011

Laid-off workers and aging baby boomers are flooding the Social Security disability program with benefit claims, pushing the financially strapped system toward the brink of insolvency.
Applications are up nearly 50 percent over a decade ago as people with disabilities lose their jobs and can't find new ones in an economy that has shed nearly 7 million jobs.
The stampede for benefits is adding to a growing backlog of applicants — many wait two years or more before their cases are resolved — and worsening the financial problems of a program that's been running in the red for years.
New congressional estimates say the trust fund that supports Social Security disability will run out of money by 2017, leaving the program unable to pay full benefits, unless Congress acts. About two decades later, Social Security's much larger retirement fund is projected to run dry as well.

If social security retirement runs out in 2 decades, then I will never see a dime of what I'm paying into it. Rick Perry may be on to something here. Could it be a "Ponzi Scheme" ?
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I can fend for myself, Im just glad my old man is getting a fat check, and trust me he is, 40 year state retiree with after 65 retirement= a shit ton of model train money
 
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redivider

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the 2011 report only says that funds COULD run out IF the downturn continues.

BUT, in the event that the economy grows, which means more people get back to work and therefore more payroll SS taxes are paid into the system, then it will be ok.
 
dukeanthony

dukeanthony

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londonfog said:
Ron Paul can't get the nod from the Republicans to run as POTUS.

The question is does he keep running Republican just for political points or is he that ignorant that he think they will actually change their mind

I'll leave it for you to choose.
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Ron Paul Doesnt want to win
Just make noise
 
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munch box

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Prefontaine said:
I can fend for myself, Im just glad my old man is getting a fat check, and trust me he is, 40 year state retiree with after 65 retirement= a shit ton of model train money
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Well if the money is going to run out within the next 40 years then I don't think I should have to invest, if I can't collect later. That doesn't sound right
 
londonfog

londonfog

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tryingtogrow89 said:
You dont appreciate the second amendment much do you?
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I have a bitch named TAT TAT that would answer that...also got a cuz named Kaboom that can clear the room...I support responsible gun ownership...now WTF does that have to do with my previous post...whos taking your guns ???
 
tryingtogrow89

tryingtogrow89

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londonfog said:
I have a bitch named TAT TAT that would answer that...also got a cuz named Kaboom that can clear the room...I support responsible gun ownership...now WTF does that have to do with my previous post...whos taking your guns ???
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You dont appreciate the second amendment much do you?
 
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