The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

Parker

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Ron Paul needs to direct his answers to the average person. Some answers would be hard to follow if you did not know Ron Pauls policies and have not heard him speak specifically about that issue.

Bachmann came off well.

All of a sudden these candidates are talking smaller government. It's a shame most haven't voted that way.
Pawlenty showed no balls when he backed off Romneycare. Guessing its some sort of gentlemens agreement to keep it nice for now? dunno but it's harder to separate them when they pull this.

And my man Ron Paul came through and showed he can be tough when it comes to powers held by the President through the Constitution.
"I wouldn't wait for my generals. I'm the Commander and Chief I make the decisions, I tell the generals what to do. I'd get them home as quickly as possible"
[video=youtube;TIC5eIUue60]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIC5eIUue60[/video]
 

londonfog

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Pawlenty had a chance to put it to Mitt over his healthcare and got scared

Michele Bachmann actually did the best out of all ( very surprising )

Newt did well to keep himself in the race

Ron Paul was like the red headed step child...completely ignore and did not make an impact.

Mitt still comes out looking like the one to beat.

Cain was just filler
 

NoDrama

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I checked out your link, its statistic to link this "HUGE EPIDEMIC" is that in certain classrooms they were able to find two kids with decay, whoopdedoo. Probably 4th graders who are losing their baby teeth, which just so happen to be very easily decayed since they are much softer and not permanent. What I really want to know is if the epidemic is relevant to Adults. Also how many years have they been checking for dental caries? How many years of statistics do they have on this particular issue? Im guessing they have one years worth and are calling it an epidemic to get peoples fears up so that the flouride is more readily accepted.

Upon reading further I did however find this:
1. The publication in 2006 of a 500-page review of fluoride’s toxicology by a distinguished panel appointed by the National Research Council of the National Academies (NRC, 2006). The NRC report concluded that the US Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) safe drinking water standard for fluoride (i.e. maximum contaminant level goal or MCLG) of 4 parts per million (ppm) is unsafe and should be lowered. Despite over 60 years of fluoridation, the report listed many basic research questions that have not been addressed. Still, the panel reviewed a large body of literature in which fluoride has a statistically significant association with a wide range of adverse effects. These include an increased risk of bone fractures, decreased thyroid function, lowered IQ, arthritic-like conditions, dental fluorosis and, possibly, osteosarcoma.
The average fluoride daily intakes (*) associated with many of these adverse effects are reached by some people consuming water at the concentration levels now used for fluoridation -- especially small children, above average water drinkers, diabetics, people with poor kidney function and other vulnerable sub-groups. For example, the average fluoride daily intake associated with impaired thyroid function in people with iodine deficiency (about 12% of the US population) is reached by small children with average consumption of fluoridated water at 1 ppm and by people of any age or weight with moderate to high fluoridated water consumption. Of special note among the animal studies is one in which rats fed water containing 1 ppm fluoride had an increased uptake of aluminum into the brain, with formation of beta-amyloid plaques, which is a classic marker of Alzheimer's disease pathology in humans. Considering the substantial variation in individual water intake, exposure to fluoride from many other sources, its accumulation in the bone and other calcifying tissues and the wide range of human sensitivity to any toxic substance, fluoridation provides NO margin of safety for many adverse effects, especially lowered thyroid function.
* Note: "Daily intake" takes into account the exposed individual’s bodyweight and is measured in mg. of fluoride per kilogram bodyweight.
2. The evidence provided by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in 2005 that 32% of American children have dental fluorosis – an abnormal discoloration and mottling of the enamel. This irreversible and sometimes disfiguring condition is caused by fluoride. Children are now being overdosed with fluoride, even in non-fluoridated areas, from water, swallowed toothpaste, foods and beverages processed with fluoridated water, and other sources. Fluoridated water is the easiest source to eliminate.
3. The American Dental Association’s policy change, in November 2006, recommending that only the following types of water be used for preparing infant formula during the first 12 months of life: "purified, distilled, deionized, demineralized, or produced through reverse osmosis." This new policy, which was implemented to prevent the ingestion of too much fluoride by babies and to lower the risk of dental fluorosis, clearly excludes the use of fluoridated tap water. The burden of following this recommendation, especially for low income families, is reason alone for fluoridation to be halted immediately. Formula made with fluoridated water contains 250 times more fluoride than the average 0.004 ppm concentration found in human breast milk in non-fluoridated areas (Table 2-6, NRC, 2006).
4. The CDC’s concession, in 1999 and 2001, that the predominant benefit of fluoride in reducing tooth decay is TOPICAL and not SYSTEMIC. To the extent fluoride works to reduce tooth decay, it works from the outside of the tooth, not from inside the body. It makes no sense to drink it and expose the rest of the body to the long term risks of fluoride ingestion when fluoridated toothpaste is readily available.
Fluoride’s topical mechanism probably explains the fact that, since the 1980s, there have been many research reports indicating little difference in tooth decay between fluoridated and non-fluoridated communities (Leverett, 1982; Colquhoun, 1984; 1985 and 1987; Diesendorf, 1986; Gray, 1987; Brunelle and Carlos, 1990; Spencer,1996; deLiefde, 1998; Locker, 1999; Armfield and Spencer, 2004; and Pizzo 2007 - see citations). Poverty is the clearest factor associated with tooth decay, not lack of ingested fluoride. According to the World Health Organization, dental health in 12-year olds in non-fluoridated industrialized countries is as good, if not better, than those in fluoridated countries (Neurath, 2005).
5. In 2000, the publication of the UK government sponsored “York Review,” the first systematic scientific review of fluoridation, found that NONE of the studies purporting to demonstrate the effectiveness of fluoridation to reduce tooth decay were of grade A status, i.e. “high quality, bias unlikely” (McDonagh et al., 2000).
6. The publication in May 2006 of a peer-reviewed, case-controlled study from Harvard University which found a 5-7 fold increase in osteosarcoma (a frequently fatal bone cancer) in young men associated with exposure to fluoridated water during their 6th, 7th and 8th years (Bassin et al., 2006). This study was surrounded by scandal as Elise Bassin’s PhD thesis adviser, Professor Chester Douglass, was accused by the watchdog Environmental Working Group of attempting to suppress these findings for several years (see video). While this study does not prove a relationship between fluoridation and osteosarcoma beyond any doubt, the weight of evidence and the importance of the risk call for serious consideration.
7. The admission by federal agencies, in response to questions from a Congressional subcommittee in 1999-2000, that the industrial grade waste products used to fluoridate over 90% of America's drinking water supplies (fluorosilicate compounds) have never been subjected to toxicological testing nor received FDA approval for human ingestion (Fox, 1999; Hazan, 2000; Plaisier, 2000; Thurnau, 2000).
8. The publication in 2004 of “The Fluoride Deception” by Christopher Bryson. This meticulously researched book showed that industrial interests, concerned about liabilities from fluoride pollution and health effects on workers, played a significant role in the early promotion of fluoridation. Bryson also details the harassment of scientists who expressed concerns about the safety and/or efficacy of fluoridation
The untold millions of dollars that are now spent on equipment, chemicals, monitoring, and promotion of fluoridation could be much better invested in nutrition education and targeted dental care for children from low income families. The vast majority of enlightened nations have done this.
It is time for the US, and the few remaining fluoridating countries, to recognize that fluoridation is outdated, has serious risks that far outweigh any minor benefits, violates sound medical ethics and denies freedom of choice. Fluoridation must be ended now.
 

Dan Kone

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I checked out your link, its statistic to link this "HUGE EPIDEMIC" is that in certain classrooms they were able to find two kids with decay, whoopdedoo. Probably 4th graders who are losing their baby teeth,
Never mind the fact that I grew up near there, I'm sure you're wild guess is right and it's my own lying eyes that have it wrong. Whatever, I really don't care that much about this. If you want to believe fluoride doesn't fight tooth decay and it's just an evil government conspiracy to control your mind, I guess that's up to you.
 

Dan Kone

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Pawlenty showed no balls when he backed off Romneycare. Guessing its some sort of gentlemens agreement to keep it nice for now? dunno but it's harder to separate them when they pull this.
Why do you think Pawlenty should go after him for that? At the time Romney signed the Mass healthcare bill into law, those policies were pretty similar to the official republican party position on healthcare. It's also really popular in his state. Is enacting a republican policy in a blue state with the people's support really something terrible?
 

mame

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Pawlenty had a chance to put it to Mitt over his healthcare and got scared

Michele Bachmann actually did the best out of all ( very surprising )

Newt did well to keep himself in the race

Ron Paul was like the red headed step child...completely ignore and did not make an impact.

Mitt still comes out looking like the one to beat.

Cain was just filler
I actually thought Newt did a really good job presenting himself as moderate, experienced, and intelligent (What?!! lol...) compared to most of the other candidates. I was really hoping that they'd let RP get going about the Fed as I really wanted to see what the others had to say about it (although I bet many are receptive to monetarism anyway).

I agree though that Mitt Romney looks like the front runner.

I kind of felt sorry to some extent for RP, they didn't really give him many chances and he didn't really get his message across at all because of it. Even though I may disagree, it's not really fair for that to be happening at all (someone should really regulate face time a little better so Dr. Paul had more of a chance... HEHEHE)...

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Dan Kone

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I actually thought Newt did a really good job presenting himself as moderate, experienced, and intelligent (What?!! lol...) compared to most of the other candidates.
Goldwater would have seemed moderate next to this group.
 

londonfog

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^^^^^agree...and to answer Dan Kone question why Pawlenty should have went after Mitt...simple because he was making fun of it before calling it “ObamneyCare.”...so I wanted to see what he had to say now, which was nothing..Backed down like a little BYTCH
 

londonfog

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I think Ron Paul might have needed to see some of depraves videos of him...Hell that would have hyped him up..:lol:
 

Dan Kone

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Ron Paul needs to direct his answers to the average person. Some answers would be hard to follow if you did not know Ron Pauls policies and have not heard him speak specifically about that issue.
Paul did give one really solid answer that made him sound presidential. His answer to the foreign wars question where he said something like "I don't nee to wait for the generals on the ground to agree to pull out, I'm the commander in chief, they'll do what I order them to" I thought that was brilliant. Totally defied conventional wisdom in way that made lot of sense.

But yeah, other than that Paul sounded like he needed another cup of coffee.
 

deprave

New Member
yea hard to blame him he looked disgusted with those phoneys and was probably falling asleep listening to them drone on, they are using Ron Pauls issues and talking points which is what really pissed me off, just example : herman cain kept lobin the word free market out there for no particular reason. I get a feeling if Ron Paul looked like Mitt Romney he would definitely win this lol


Then I am watching CNN this morning getting ready for work and they are doing a show about the debates, they don't mention Ron once yet again even thou they repetidly bring up his topics like hayek, the bubble, whatever, again they are purposefully ignoring him just like last time - hopefully this turns around. In the round table after the debate they have a long discussion about keynsian economics and fail to mention Ron paul.

Supposably Bachman has the most support of the tea party according to them, not even mentioning the godfather of the tea party in this discussion....

They talk about bring the troops home like its Mitt Romneys thing again not even mentioning paul - If RON paul had a temper and watched the news you know how many damn tv's he would of broken by now?

on and on fuck you CNN - fuck all haters of freedom and humanity - depressed jerks and dumb blondes are the thorn in the side of liberty lovers.

I hope these phoneys are exposed.
 

londonfog

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Ron Paul looks in trouble..He has to turn it around quick !!!!! What if Michele Bachmann actually got the nod would you vote for her..she likes freedom
 

UncleBuck

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yea hard to blame him he looked disgusted with those phoneys and was probably falling asleep listening to them drone on, they are using Ron Pauls issues and talking points which is what really pissed me off, just example : herman cain kept lobin the word free market out there for no particular reason. I get a feeling if Ron Paul looked like Mitt Romney he would definitely win this lol


Then I am watching CNN this morning getting ready for work and they are doing a show about the debates, they don't mention Ron once yet again even thou they repetidly bring up his topics like hayek, the bubble, whatever, again they are purposefully ignoring him just like last time - hopefully this turns around. In the round table after the debate they have a long discussion about keynsian economics and fail to mention Ron paul.

Supposably Bachman has the most support of the tea party according to them, not even mentioning the godfather of the tea party in this discussion....

They talk about bring the troops home like its Mitt Romneys thing again not even mentioning paul - If RON paul had a temper and watched the news you know how many damn tv's he would of broken by now?

on and on fuck you CNN - fuck all haters of freedom and humanity - depressed jerks and dumb blondes are the thorn in the side of liberty lovers.

I hope these phoneys are exposed.
you sound like ron paul looked: like you need a nap.

i am surprised ron paul did not fucking melt under those lights. it looked like he was going to several times.
 

deprave

New Member
This is the POS show IN QUESTION


INSIDER POLLS - Cnn refuses to show their own polls of the people which have Ron Paul Leading instead we get this BS "INSIDER" Poll with Ron Paul at 0% yea fugin right fat cats - Ted Turner you can suck my youknow- Just shows some "INSIDERS" don't like Ron Paul
REGARDLESS - The poll from the very same organization they are quoting actually has Ron Paul leading with 33% as seen on their own website: http://www.nationaljournal.com/
[video=youtube;OPY_6mjL3xY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPY_6mjL3xY&feature=player_embedded[/video]

CNN JUST PULLED A FOX NEWS MOVE ON US - AGAIN EFF YOU CNN

The Truth - Ron Paul won every damn poll he was allowed in - even the "INSIDER" Poll - Even the Fox news poll
 

UncleBuck

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only an idiot would think ron paul won that debate. he looked curmudgeonly, old, frazzled, and just plain off his game.

the only reason he wins in a lot of online polls is because he has an army of devoted cultists who will flood the polls.
 

UncleBuck

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because his dedicated cultists like you flood the other polls.

i'm sure they'll do some sort of a random polling where ron paul supporters will not be allowed to barrage the thing with their cultists dedication and it will reflect about what the insiders thought.
 
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