The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2
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londonfog
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That has to be one of the dumbest thing you have typed today...Name some federal organizations for disaster relief...??? I mean you just said it was plenty...FEMA under Bush was all wrong that does not mean that we should do away with it..Just make it better..really guy you need to stop..
deprave
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Everyone is finally agreeing with Ron Paul..at least on the war.
Romney Flip-Flops again - he was forced to make the announcement that he is now anti-war to stand a chance against paul.
[video=youtube;KBe58RJWVQo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBe58RJWVQo[/video]
GOP CALLS FOR REDUCED TROOPS IN AFGHANISTAN
Many Republicans siding with him on anti-war ideas - however, one douschbag in this video says "Ronald Reagan would be turning over in his grave" wtf?
RonPaul2012.com - GOP Candidates Now Sound Like Ron Paul
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2011/06/1...like-ron-paul/
But where is their record?
What we learned from last night’s debate is that almost every other candidate on stage now sounds like Ron Paul, but do not have the record to back it up.
Ron Paul is the only candidate who voted against the spending before it was popular to do so, never voted for a debt limit increase, never voted for an unbalanced budget, voted against all bail outs, has always opposed government mandated healthcare, and has always voted in favor of our free market system.
Take a quick look back at just some of the records of a few of the other candidates.
Mitt Romney:
Romneycare – Still defends his plan signed on April 12, 2006, despite publicly stating that as President he would repeal and replace ObamaCare. However, the two plans are similar in at least 3 ways. Cato Institute, Cato Romneycare, April 15, 2010
Obamacare was modeled in a large way after Romneycare, as the Obama Admin likes to point out. Obama: “we passed health care with an assist from a former Massachusetts governor” CNN, May 9, 2011
Cap and Trade – Believes we should reduce emissions UNH Townhall June 3, 2011:
“I don’t speak for the scientific community, of course, but I believe the world’s getting warmer. I can’t prove that, but I believe based on what I read that the world is getting warmer. And number two, I believe that humans contribute to that…I also think it’s important for us to reduce our emissions of pollutants and greenhouse gases that may well be significant contributors to the climate change and the global warming that you’re seeing.” – UNH Townhall – Romney Townhall Washington Post, June 3, 2011
TARP - Supported Wall Street Bailout “I believe that it was necessary to prevent a cascade of bank collapses”- CPAC Speech 2009, Politico February 27, 2009
Tim Pawlenty:
Governor Pawlenty’s 2006-2007 Budget - 2008, Pawlenty joined with state Democrats in signing a $109 million corporate tax increase by changing state laws on the definition of foreign operating corporations. Club For Growth White Paper on Pawlenty, Dolan Media Newswires, May 22, 2008
TARP – “Tim Pawlenty says he is reluctantly for it.” How Paulson Just Picked the 2012 GOP Nominee, US News, September 26, 2008
“But as you look at the practicalities or the implications of letting AIG fail in terms of what it would mean to average citizens and the destabilizing of the credit markets and the financial markets, something needed to be done.
“And, you know, that is an imperfect solution, but, like has been said, they are too big, the consequences are too severe for innocent bystanders to allow them to fail. So it’s an imperfect solution, but you also have to be pragmatic about getting the mess cleaned up.” – Tim Pawlenty’s bailout shuffle, Salon, January 12, 2011
Cap and Trade – Signed onto and persuaded members of the Midwest Governors Association to sign the Midwestern Regional Greenhouse Gas Reduction Accord, an agreement to develop a cap-and-trade mechanism:
“Today’s agreement is an important milestone toward achieving a cleaner, more secure energy future…”
“The Midwest is well positioned to help lead the energy revolution that our nation needs to stay competitive and strong. Working together, states can build a de facto national energy policy that will create good jobs and build a cleaner and safer world.” – Midwest States and Manitoba Sign Agreements to Reduce Greenhouse Gases, Promote Energy Efficiency and Renewables, November 15, 2007
Newt Gingrich:
Healthcare – Supported a health insurance mandate: “I agree that all of us have a responsibility to pay- — help pay for health care. I’ve said consistently we ought to have some requirement that you either have health insurance or you post a bond”- Politico: Newt Gingrich on Meet The Press, May 15, 2011
Supported Medicare prescription drug bill, creating Medicare part D, which now has $16 trillion in unfunded liabilities:
“Every conservative member of Congress should vote for this Medicare bill. It is the most important reorganization of our nation’s healthcare system since the original Medicare Bill of 1965 and the largest and most positive change in direction for the health system in 60 years for people over 65” – Club For Growth White Paper on Gingrich
Cap and Trade – In 2008 made an ad with Pelosi for Al Gore’s Alliance for Climate Protection, where he said “our country must take action to address climate change” Fox News
“mandatory carbon caps combined with a trading system” would be “very, very good,” Fox News
TARP – Stated he would “reluctantly and sadly” support the Wall Street Bailout ABC
Romney Flip-Flops again - he was forced to make the announcement that he is now anti-war to stand a chance against paul.
[video=youtube;KBe58RJWVQo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBe58RJWVQo[/video]
GOP CALLS FOR REDUCED TROOPS IN AFGHANISTAN
Many Republicans siding with him on anti-war ideas - however, one douschbag in this video says "Ronald Reagan would be turning over in his grave" wtf?
RonPaul2012.com - GOP Candidates Now Sound Like Ron Paul
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2011/06/1...like-ron-paul/
But where is their record?
What we learned from last night’s debate is that almost every other candidate on stage now sounds like Ron Paul, but do not have the record to back it up.
Ron Paul is the only candidate who voted against the spending before it was popular to do so, never voted for a debt limit increase, never voted for an unbalanced budget, voted against all bail outs, has always opposed government mandated healthcare, and has always voted in favor of our free market system.
Take a quick look back at just some of the records of a few of the other candidates.
Mitt Romney:
Romneycare – Still defends his plan signed on April 12, 2006, despite publicly stating that as President he would repeal and replace ObamaCare. However, the two plans are similar in at least 3 ways. Cato Institute, Cato Romneycare, April 15, 2010
Obamacare was modeled in a large way after Romneycare, as the Obama Admin likes to point out. Obama: “we passed health care with an assist from a former Massachusetts governor” CNN, May 9, 2011
Cap and Trade – Believes we should reduce emissions UNH Townhall June 3, 2011:
“I don’t speak for the scientific community, of course, but I believe the world’s getting warmer. I can’t prove that, but I believe based on what I read that the world is getting warmer. And number two, I believe that humans contribute to that…I also think it’s important for us to reduce our emissions of pollutants and greenhouse gases that may well be significant contributors to the climate change and the global warming that you’re seeing.” – UNH Townhall – Romney Townhall Washington Post, June 3, 2011
TARP - Supported Wall Street Bailout “I believe that it was necessary to prevent a cascade of bank collapses”- CPAC Speech 2009, Politico February 27, 2009
Tim Pawlenty:
Governor Pawlenty’s 2006-2007 Budget - 2008, Pawlenty joined with state Democrats in signing a $109 million corporate tax increase by changing state laws on the definition of foreign operating corporations. Club For Growth White Paper on Pawlenty, Dolan Media Newswires, May 22, 2008
TARP – “Tim Pawlenty says he is reluctantly for it.” How Paulson Just Picked the 2012 GOP Nominee, US News, September 26, 2008
“But as you look at the practicalities or the implications of letting AIG fail in terms of what it would mean to average citizens and the destabilizing of the credit markets and the financial markets, something needed to be done.
“And, you know, that is an imperfect solution, but, like has been said, they are too big, the consequences are too severe for innocent bystanders to allow them to fail. So it’s an imperfect solution, but you also have to be pragmatic about getting the mess cleaned up.” – Tim Pawlenty’s bailout shuffle, Salon, January 12, 2011
Cap and Trade – Signed onto and persuaded members of the Midwest Governors Association to sign the Midwestern Regional Greenhouse Gas Reduction Accord, an agreement to develop a cap-and-trade mechanism:
“Today’s agreement is an important milestone toward achieving a cleaner, more secure energy future…”
“The Midwest is well positioned to help lead the energy revolution that our nation needs to stay competitive and strong. Working together, states can build a de facto national energy policy that will create good jobs and build a cleaner and safer world.” – Midwest States and Manitoba Sign Agreements to Reduce Greenhouse Gases, Promote Energy Efficiency and Renewables, November 15, 2007
Newt Gingrich:
Healthcare – Supported a health insurance mandate: “I agree that all of us have a responsibility to pay- — help pay for health care. I’ve said consistently we ought to have some requirement that you either have health insurance or you post a bond”- Politico: Newt Gingrich on Meet The Press, May 15, 2011
Supported Medicare prescription drug bill, creating Medicare part D, which now has $16 trillion in unfunded liabilities:
“Every conservative member of Congress should vote for this Medicare bill. It is the most important reorganization of our nation’s healthcare system since the original Medicare Bill of 1965 and the largest and most positive change in direction for the health system in 60 years for people over 65” – Club For Growth White Paper on Gingrich
Cap and Trade – In 2008 made an ad with Pelosi for Al Gore’s Alliance for Climate Protection, where he said “our country must take action to address climate change” Fox News
“mandatory carbon caps combined with a trading system” would be “very, very good,” Fox News
TARP – Stated he would “reluctantly and sadly” support the Wall Street Bailout ABC
londonfog
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dude The Red Cross is not a Federal agency..sorry.....WTF..care to try again...you did say plenty ???? Just goes to show how much you don't know..makes me question all that you say now
deprave
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Dont re
the red cross provides national disaster relief what does it matter if its a federal agency they are the ones who have helped the most, the ndr, core of engineers, national guard, coast guard, idk, dont give a shit what you think, your the one stupid enough to think FEMA helps us apparently?
Volunteers are the ones that help us in disaster- and police and military - FEMA can't do anything right they fuck up everytime
the red cross provides national disaster relief what does it matter if its a federal agency they are the ones who have helped the most, the ndr, core of engineers, national guard, coast guard, idk, dont give a shit what you think, your the one stupid enough to think FEMA helps us apparently?
Volunteers are the ones that help us in disaster- and police and military - FEMA can't do anything right they fuck up everytime
Dan Kone
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If that doesn't work we will invade using the salvation army.
Dan Kone
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Or you only hear about them when they fuck up.
londonfog
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it matters because you stated that we had plenty of Federal agency and used the Red Cross to back your claim..which was proved to be wrong...FEMA has/had its problem but getting rid of it is not the answer...I was stunned also when Bachmann said we need to get rid of the EPA...WTF... guess she does not care about fresh water or air..WTF she planning to leave all her children..One Polluted Planet
average grow
Active Member
I'm feelin a civil war soon.
deprave
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it all goes back to the liberty movement really, economic and personal liberty, freedom from the federal government, states rights, etc...its pretty popular lately...you should look up Ron Paul lol
The EPA is another one like FEMA, like the IRS, like the FED....programs that need to be cut - the wars
The EPA is another one like FEMA, like the IRS, like the FED....programs that need to be cut - the wars
Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
If you support the EPA then you hate freedom.
deprave
New Member
pretty much this, see Dan gets it (maybe)...the tide is turning..even if Ron Paul doesn't win the nomination he could have moved mountains for libertarians as the GOP is now adopting his philosophy - with Ron Pauls audit of the fed and the founding of the Tea Party he found his way into the history books and if his liberty movement causes significant changes he will be forever remembered. Im not going to be upset if he doesn't win like londonfrog seems to think but Ron Paul will have his place in my book of great heroes until my dying days without a doubt.
londonfog
Well-Known Member
you are one lost puppy...I'm willing to bet Dan was being sarcastic, but you actually think that its a chance he agrees with you
deprave
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lol , believe me I don't think that, he will disagree with me over anything out of spite haha, I am just saying I think he understands a little since he answered your naive question appropriately. (To Clarify: The fact that you were "stunned" that she mentioned the EPA is what is naive, as in, you don't fully grasp the concept of the liberty movement if you were infact truly stunned by this.)
deprave
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Ron Paul doesn't want to necessarily eliminate the FDA, same thing with the EPA, and FEMA, and the FED - especially not eliminate it outright - he wants to reduce its powers - hopefully one day eliminating them and replacing it with something better preferably something at state and local levels that is equivalent but respects the free market and the people. The FDA has very far reaching powers, for example they have been doing SWAT team style raids on people for selling raw milk. Ron Paul has consistenly voted against bills that give the FDA/FEMA/IRS/EPA unconstitutional powers. Do you think the amish should be raided with submachine guns and kevlar vest when they sell raw milk? is it really stupidity to want to eat what you grow instead of McDonalds?
deprave
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...they dont even want us to know whats in it and how its made....we don't have that right anymore...and if they had their way we wouldn't be farming our own food either.
All goes back to freedom...something which we have rapidly lost, the 20-35's understand this a bit better I think, we grew up with this stuff, example columbine happened, then we had police in our schools. Freedom, we had it, we saw it in our parents, we learned of the american dream and were given leftovers. The information revolution is here and now - don't let this next generation get their heads around the constitution or they will be furious, more furious then my generation, possibly violent furious if we are still sitting on the same amount of jobs and a shitty economy and increased oppression.
All goes back to freedom...something which we have rapidly lost, the 20-35's understand this a bit better I think, we grew up with this stuff, example columbine happened, then we had police in our schools. Freedom, we had it, we saw it in our parents, we learned of the american dream and were given leftovers. The information revolution is here and now - don't let this next generation get their heads around the constitution or they will be furious, more furious then my generation, possibly violent furious if we are still sitting on the same amount of jobs and a shitty economy and increased oppression.