The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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newworldicon said:
Your country your problem smart arse!!

It's Gaddafi
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Kh, K, or Q are all acceptable spellings. It's arabic dumbass, it doesn't translate directly into English. If you feel it necessary to correct spelling on the internet, make sure you're actually correcting a misspelled word.

and I did not see America running to stop him in the past, are you saying that only now are they taking a stand?
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There wasn't a civil war in the past.

Why are US vessels lining up to Syrian coastlines,
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Massive regional instability?

why are US planes bombing Yemen as reported by media other than your countries own??
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To go after Al Qaeda leadership.

Why did Obama say categorically that he will not put troops in Libya and here they are now.
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Situations change. And there aren't ground troops in Libya as far as I'm aware. If it ends a war, is it really that bad?

I don't get it. You seem to be crying tyranny here. Who's being oppressed? Khadafi? lol. GTFO.

Who died and made America the saviour of the world, you are an idiot if you think this for the sake of freedom and democracy but I suppose it takes people like you to keep the wheels in motion hey??
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I think it's because the US government saw an opportunity to take out a long time enemy. An enemy btw would did attack US civilians without provocation and then built a monument to celebrate his act of terrorism.

How is getting rid of Khadafi a bad thing again?

You can wax lyrical all you want but in 3 months from now you can go over this thread and feel ashamed by what you are saying.
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Why is that?

Despite you're very impressive intellectual superiority act, you've yet to actually say anything insightful. If you're going to act like that, at least have a reason for it.
 
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NoDrama

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We went after Ghadaffi because he was going to unveil a gold backed currency, the whole Al Qaeda thing is just the cover story that lets us bomb anyone we please.
 
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Carthoris

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Dan Kone said:
What makes you think you think Ron Paul would be any better than Obama at implementing the promises he's making?

There is absolutely no political will for Ron Paul to get the things done he describes. That's the same problem Obama has. Obama has good ideas that get curbed by the inertia of the American political machine.

The stimulus in it's pure form would most likely be very effective. But once congress turned it into a give away to the ultra wealthy and special interests, it reduced it's effectiveness. The health care plan in it's original form would have not only insured everyone but also reduced health care costs across the board. But then once congress got done pissing on it, it turned into a gift to the pharmaceutical and health insurance industries.

Despite intentions, no matter what Obama does, both democrats and republicans in congress piss all over it. You're not really thinking things through if you thinking things would be any better for Ron Paul. All Ron Paul's spectacular plans for a free market would end up being a huge give away to multinational corporations once congress had their way with it. Then Ron Paul would get the blame becoming known as the politician in the pocket of big business.

If you think Ron Paul knows some magic trick that will bend the American political machine to his will, you're incredibly ignorant.

That isn't just the case for Ron Paul or Obama. That applies to anyone who becomes president.
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To compare Obama to Ron is silly. It is like comparing a sapling to a full grown oak tree. Ron Paul will not bend in his beliefs. Ron Paul has 30 years of holding the same ideas and not flip flopping. Obama immediately copulated to anyone he had to. Don't assume that because your glorious leader was two faced and untested that Ron Paul is the same.
 
budlover13

budlover13

King Tut
newworldicon said:
I don't really follow him too much, you don't get any mainstream media here covering him. Is he going to stand for Presidency this next election?
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Yes, he's running. Trying to get the Republican nomination. And you won't find any real reporting in the main-stream media on him. Unless it's slander.
 
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Parker

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UncleBuck said:
i gave up all my political ambitions after ingesting magic mushrooms :)
i call him a loser because he will lose. pretty straightforward.
i've never had any sex scandals or shady back alley dealings, but i would call myself a loser just the same if i failed at that which i set my mind to.
so far, i am winning. not quite bi-winning, but the greenhouse should set me on the path to bi-winning this year.
the future is a completely different story, as i have no idea where i will be in another 15 months and won't know for some time now.
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Why do you think he has failed? I think he has been very successful.

His first objective is to win, obviously, in order to get his policies implemented. Running a close second is to inform people. Not many candidates make it about the platform like he does. It's usually about themselves.
Anyone who has a platform similar to his gets my vote. People like Rand Paul and Mike Lee in the Senate. Or Justin Amash in the House.

Ron Paul ended his speech at the Republican Leadership Conference with- "We know that the momentum is with us. One way I can tell you the momentum is with us is all of a sudden I have noticed that others who happen to be running for leadership are starting to use our language."
 
budlover13

budlover13

King Tut
Interesting observations on how we elect our leaders. More accurately how we determine how we will vote.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Q1U7N9AhprU#at=132[/video]
 
londonfog

londonfog

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To all the Ron Paul supporters....in order for Ron to get the nod from your party you must first take control of your party...Ron Paul was the leader of the first and true tea party movement in this century...and just like this republican party it too was hijacked...Ron Paul will never get the nod to run in the general election if he continues to allow himself to be ignored and his cause taken from him and used by others just to win the primary. All the posting on RIU will be in vain if this continues. say what you like but its true....oh and Happy Belated Fathers Day to all the men who take care of their children.
 
newworldicon

newworldicon

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Dan Kone said:
Kh, K, or Q are all acceptable spellings. It's arabic dumbass, it doesn't translate directly into English. If you feel it necessary to correct spelling on the internet, make sure you're actually correcting a misspelled word.



There wasn't a civil war in the past.



Massive regional instability?



To go after Al Qaeda leadership.



Situations change. And there aren't ground troops in Libya as far as I'm aware. If it ends a war, is it really that bad?

I don't get it. You seem to be crying tyranny here. Who's being oppressed? Khadafi? lol. GTFO.



I think it's because the US government saw an opportunity to take out a long time enemy. An enemy btw would did attack US civilians without provocation and then built a monument to celebrate his act of terrorism.

How is getting rid of Khadafi a bad thing again?



Why is that?

Despite you're very impressive intellectual superiority act, you've yet to actually say anything insightful. If you're going to act like that, at least have a reason for it.
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You have the audacity to try and belittle me in your last comment yet all of your retorts may as well have been copied and pasted from a CNN or FOX news report.

Fail!
 
budlover13

budlover13

King Tut
londonfog said:
To all the Ron Paul supporters....in order for Ron to get the nod from your party you must first take control of your party...Ron Paul was the leader of the first and true tea party movement in this century...and just like this republican party it too was hijacked...Ron Paul will never get the nod to run in the general election if he continues to allow himself to be ignored and his cause taken from him and used by others just to win the primary. All the posting on RIU will be in vain if this continues. say what you like but its true....oh and Happy Belated Fathers Day to all the men who take care of their children.
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It's true. If you'll notice my post count here has dropped dramatically. That's because Deprave and others have it well under control imo. Now i'm hitting everywhere i can and the most annoying reaction has been "He'll never win. I don't vote in the primaries anyway." WTF?????
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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NoDrama said:
We went after Ghadaffi because he was going to unveil a gold backed currency, the whole Al Qaeda thing is just the cover story that lets us bomb anyone we please.
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ya know, the explanation that makes the most sense to me is that we went in to support our allies who want access to his oil.

agree or disagree?
 
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NoDrama

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UncleBuck said:
ya know, the explanation that makes the most sense to me is that we went in to support our allies who want access to his oil.

agree or disagree?
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If that happens we no longer will get Libya to spend all of its oil dollars buying US Treasuries. That is, after all, the agreement with the OPEC nations. We will buy their oil with our dollars and they will Buy our treasuries with those same dollars.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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Carthoris said:
To compare Obama to Ron is silly. It is like comparing a sapling to a full grown oak tree. Ron Paul will not bend in his beliefs. Ron Paul has 30 years of holding the same ideas and not flip flopping. Obama immediately copulated to anyone he had to. Don't assume that because your glorious leader was two faced and untested that Ron Paul is the same.
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What I'm saying is it would have nothing to do with Ron Paul and his beliefs. It has to do with the way lobbyists will alter any legislation he tries to get past congress in order to make that legislation favor large corporations and the ultra wealthy while hurting everyone else.

Ron Paul is not superman. He can not force congress not to amend legislation based on the recommendation of lobbyists. He has no control over that what so ever. The only way to stop that is to take the money out of political campaigns, that is something Ron Paul opposes.

"The First amendment unquestionably grants individuals and businesses the free and unfettered right to advertise, lobby, and contribute to politicians as they choose." - Ron Paul

The will of the president is irrelevant when lobbyists can just get congress to change any law based on the legal bribes they take from the wealthy and major corporations.

I know you think Obama is some evil boogie man who's primary motivation is to destroy America, but really he's doing what is possible for him to do. His proposals for legislation and the final product that congress produces have been wildly different.

If you think Ron Paul has some superpower that will stop lobbyists from manipulating legislation please explain to me how that works. You offer no reasonable explanations and just claiming Ron Paul never bends his will. Well that's extremely flawed logic when you consider the fact that Ron Paul has no control over the behavior of congress and fully supports the system that allows congress to behave that way.
 
newworldicon

newworldicon

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UncleBuck said:
ya know, the explanation that makes the most sense to me is that we went in to support our allies who want access to his oil.

agree or disagree?
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Who wants access to the oil, your allies or you...it's obviously both but does it make it okay, my biggest gripe with the USA is it's arrogance as the super power of the world, it acts like the self imposed freedom fighter of all that is democratic yet the rest of the world knows it's actions are self satisfying at the sake of many innocent lives.

What country since the second world war has seen more wars than America? Those wars end and some years later the truth is revealed that the reasons at the time were nothing more than disinformation alluding to the real truth which is usually oil, money, drugs trade, power and position!

And Americans wonder why they are hated...??
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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newworldicon said:
You have the audacity to try and belittle me in your last comment yet all of your retorts may as well have been copied and pasted from a CNN or FOX news report.

Fail!
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Ok. You just accused me of plagiarism. I demand to see proof of this right now. If I post something, it's my own words. If you think otherwise prove it or you're a lying cunt. I do not watch CNN or Fox news nor do I copy/paste stuff from their website or any website without quoting them. If I did do what you say it should be very easy to prove. So go ahead, prove it. That or shut the fuck up.

Lying about me doesn't help your case. It's what people do when they know they are wrong and the person they are lying about is right.

You've posted nothing of substance since you've been here. You offer no explanation for why you think I'm wrong but instead resort to false accusations. If you're going to come on here and pretend you're superior to everyone you're going to have do better that falsely accuse people of making spelling errors and falsely accuse people of plagiarism.
 
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