The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

budlover13

King Tut
I see. Socialism is ok for you, but immoral for other people. Makes perfect sense.

Enjoy your socialized education. If you want to keep your government handouts that allow you to go to school vote democrat!
What part of "i have paid LITERALLY thousands of dollars in taxes, wages, fees, etc since entering the job market and am now cashing in my chips." do you not get. Miliking the system? No, reclaiming what has been stolen from me for years by taxing me and spending my money on programs and wasteful spending that i disapproved of. Kinda like a retirement plan in a way.

Whatever you are comfortable telling yourself when you lie awake @ night.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
yes, anyone who takes issue with ron paul's history of racism, stated views on abortion that contradict his "libertarian" nature, or his willingness to let the economy collapse is "blind".

they also probably need to be converted, wake up, open their eyes, or be killed.
You know, Ron Paul isn't going to make it illegal to have abortions, you do understand that correct? He just happens to think babies should live, he has no interest in it otherwise. The economy will collapse no matter who becomes president, it is mathematically impossible to save.
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
Considering the education loan market has been trickled down to a monopoly in the government subsidies, there really is no other way, except to pay it in cash. A free market advocate would not burn him at the stake for using a monopoly program. We believe that without this program, the deal would be better for everyone. You have this Salem witch burning argument method built deeply within you, while your logic is superseded by your ignorance.
That's bullshit and you know it. People take school loans all the time. It's quite common. He's taking free government money. That's socialism. I'm ok with that. In fact I think it's a great idea, but he is receiving a socialized education.

Don't worry, if you elect Ron Paul as president he'll put a stop to that.

Government subsidies are not essential for somebody to go to school. Before this whole government involvement, plenty of financial institutions were providing the loans.
Exactly. But that's not what he's doing.
Did you know that if you aren't 24 years of age, under the government subsidies for education, you aren't considered an adult? What does this mean, you may ask. Well, if you aren't 24 years old, and you have no parents are willing to provide for you or help you, you can't go to school. You can't qualify for a loan or anything.
I know plenty of people under 24 who go to school on loans, so that's bullshit.
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
What part of "i have paid LITERALLY thousands of dollars in taxes, wages, fees, etc since entering the job market and am now cashing in my chips. do you not get. Miliking the system? No, reclaiming what has been stolen from me for years by taxing me and spending my money on programs and wasteful spending that i disapproved of. Kinda like a retirement plan in a way.

Whatever you are comfortable telling yourself when you lie awake @ night.
I'm not saying it's wasteful spending or that it's undeserved. I think it's a great idea. But it's socialized education and if elected Ron Paul will put a stop to that.
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
You know, Ron Paul isn't going to make it illegal to have abortions, you do understand that correct? He just happens to think babies should live, he has no interest in it otherwise. The economy will collapse no matter who becomes president, it is mathematically impossible to save.
Actually I don't know that. Since the 2010 election where republicans got elected on the promise of job creation they've instead decided to ignore jobs and make their primary focus ending abortion. In some cases they are going past trying to ban abortion and trying to ban types of birth control. Besides the fact that he's clearly the messiah, I don't see any reason Ron Paul would be any different.
 

budlover13

King Tut
I'm not saying it's wasteful spending or that it's undeserved. I think it's a great idea. But it's socialized education and if elected Ron Paul will put a stop to that.
And i agree with him. Because i won't have to pay into it. But when forced to do so i would be a fool to not "tap in" if needed. Same way i looked @ unemployment. Glad it was there when i needed it but could've taken a low-paying job, worked 40 hours a week, and STILL not made what i drew on UI. Had we not had it available, we would've severely reduced our standard of living but survived. Since i paid into it and it was available, i chose what was best for the family.

Can't wait to get that degree in plant science!!!
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
And i agree with him. Because i won't have to pay into it. But when forced to do so i would be a fool to not "tap in" if needed. Same way i looked @ unemployment. Glad it was there when i needed it but could've taken a low-paying job, worked 40 hours a week, and STILL not made what i drew on UI. Had we not had it available, we would've severely reduced our standard of living but survived. Since i paid into it and it was available, i chose what was best for the family.

Can't wait to get that degree in plant science!!!
So you're going to vote for a guy who will try to cut off funding for you to go to school. Genius.

Congratulations on being tricked by republicans into thinking the best interests of the ultra wealthy are also you're best interests.
 

budlover13

King Tut
i'm voting for the guy that will stop robbing peter to pay for paul's education. But since i've been robbed already, i'm recovering my cash.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
i'm voting for the guy that will stop robbing peter to pay for paul's education. But since i've been robbed already, i'm recovering my cash.
you've been "robbed"?

that would entail that you derive ZERO benefit from the things your taxes fund. which is bullshit.

every advantage comes with disadvantages. the advantage of deriving the benefits of an advanced society comes with the disadvantage of having to help foot the cost of that society.

you're not recovering your cash, you're taking advantage of a tax break that was made more generous by obama. you should thank him.
 

budlover13

King Tut
you've been "robbed"?

that would entail that you derive ZERO benefit from the things your taxes fund. which is bullshit.

every advantage comes with disadvantages. the advantage of deriving the benefits of an advanced society comes with the disadvantage of having to help foot the cost of that society.

you're not recovering your cash, you're taking advantage of a tax break that was made more generous by obama. you should thank him.
When money is taken from me against my will, yes, i feel i have been robbed. If someone came and stole my tv, comp, cash, etc and i had the chance to go get it back you can rest assured i would.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
When money is taken from me against my will, yes, i feel i have been robbed. If someone came and stole my tv, comp, cash, etc and i had the chance to go get it back you can rest assured i would.
you have a number of options to stop the whole taxation thing, yet you exercise none of them. so you are letting yourself be "robbed". you are complicit.

care to name me a few prosperous countries with 0% taxation? this should be interesting.
 

budlover13

King Tut
you have a number of options to stop the whole taxation thing, yet you exercise none of them. so you are letting yourself be "robbed". you are complicit.

care to name me a few prosperous countries with 0% taxation? this should be interesting.
Never said 0%. Just not excess, which we do.
 

budlover13

King Tut
UB and Dan. You seem to be of the opinion we should work 40 hrs a week, get our check, send it to the gov, and let them care for everyone.

Not my idea of good.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Never said 0%. Just not excess, which we do.
so, anything above your preferred amount is robbery, and anything below that amount is a unicorn shitting skittles onto a fluffy cloud?

i wish we all got to make up our own rules.

and just about every nation in the world taxes "excessively", according to you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world

you poor soul, the government just stealing your money and all. let me cry some crocodile tears for you.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
UB and Dan. You seem to be of the opinion we should work 40 hrs a week, get our check, send it to the gov, and let them care for everyone.

Not my idea of good.
and you seem to be of the opinion that no one should have to pay taxes at all unless voluntary, and that you should get that money so you can go get a degree.

i personally think we should vote for those who profess the policies and ideas that we want and then live with the results of our taxation with representation.
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
UB and Dan. You seem to be of the opinion we should work 40 hrs a week, get our check, send it to the gov, and let them care for everyone.

Not my idea of good.
I see. Unless you support free market anarchism then you're a communist. Makes perfect sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

Is it possible there is a place in between those two extremes that might be more sensible?
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
I see. Unless you support free market anarchism then you're a communist. Makes perfect sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

Is it possible there is a place in between those two extremes that might be more sensible?
ha, nice catch!

i feel like our work is done here, but let's let some more moths fly into the flame. it'll be fun.
 
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