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H.A.F.

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Not even close.

It's also laughable to think that cannabis 'catches pollen' with resin. The pistils are what 'catch the pollen'.

In regards to dark cycles before harvest, I'd encourage you to do some side-by-sides with clones. I did some tests about 17 years ago on about a dozen different strains.
Again - you are nothing if not adversarial.

Reading is fundamental. Did I say any of those things actually happen? Quick answer - NO!

Those are things posted in blogs like this and I ACKNOWLEDGE that they are not scientific. Putting them in the dark falls under the "can't hurt" category. Like splitting the stem. Might help, Might not.

Get a life and go bug someone else. I didn't know I had to re-unwatch the thread after commenting. Sorry guys.
 

homebrewer

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Again - you are nothing if not adversarial.

Reading is fundamental. Did I say any of those things actually happen? Quick answer - NO!

Those are things posted in blogs like this and I ACKNOWLEDGE that they are not scientific. Putting them in the dark falls under the "can't hurt" category. Like splitting the stem. Might help, Might not.

Get a life and go bug someone else. I didn't know I had to re-unwatch the thread after commenting. Sorry guys.
Do you know what I'd put in the category of 'absolutely will hurt'? Harvesting weeks before a plant is ripe.

And it's not that I'm singling you out, I'm actually indifferent to how your grow turns out, you just make yourself an easy target with the stuff you post. People have tried to help you in this thread but your ego won't allow it. It's been entertaining to say the least :).
 

Big Perm

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@H.A.F.
I know you aren't interested in SIP's, but you should give them a look. I call it the hydro of soil. No nutes, no watering, no ph, nothing really to go wrong, you just watch it do it's thing and keep a tub full of water with a garden hose. It does the rest.
 

H.A.F.

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@H.A.F.
I know you aren't interested in SIP's, but you should give them a look. I call it the hydro of soil. No nutes, no watering, no ph, nothing really to go wrong, you just watch it do it's thing and keep a tub full of water with a garden hose. It does the rest.
Thanks. When you first posted the buckets you were setting up with what looked like frozen hay-water I thought it was another one of your jokes ;)
I really don't mind the frequent-regular tasks, I'm retired and it keeps me busy (and cognizant of what day it is LOL). I haven't even heard of that before, but I looked into other "simpler" systems like the auto-pots and stuff, but I decided against for the same reason. Me testing all the different nutes was my version of simplifying things. And I think I found my answer. We'll see if my theories pan out in the final harvest(s).

I am getting a bag of that Fruit and Flower in your vid and giving that a try. I top-dress my tomatoes - makes sense. Is that in and of itself a "complete" grow feed, or do you still need base nutrients to go with your watering?

While you're here, have you ever dried a plant whole, and would you recommend it? These are the first plants I have had small enough to fit in that wardrobe whole.
 
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Big Perm

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I am getting a bag of that Fruit and Flower in your vid and giving that a try. I top-dress my tomatoes - makes sense. Is that in and of itself a "complete" grow feed, or do you still need base nutrients to go with your watering?
I'd consider it a bloom enhancer really. Although, you can amend with it from the start and touch up later if needed. It's good stuff. I'd just do what the bag says, it gives you a couple options.
While you're here, have you ever dried a plant whole, and would you recommend it? These are the first plants I have had small enough to fit in that wardrobe whole.
I have dried a plant whole. Messy when you go to trim it up, but dry is dry imo. It does dry slower because there is more to dry and it wicks from the stems. You can use different methods for different things. Like say right now it is super dry where you live. I'd consider drying the plant more or less whole to slow down drying. If it's been rainy and super humid, I'd cut it up smaller so that it dries out faster. You don't always need to look for the one way to do something and do it that way all the time. Everyone has their own way of drying and curing. Now I just cut off a cola, trim the loose stuff off of it and put it in a hanging drier. 3-5 days later it's done drying and ready to smoke. I trim up the dry stuff and nug it out. I jar it up at that point and conveniently it cures at the same time. When I remember I open it up and feel them. They get wetter after sitting in there for a few days so I open up the jars and when I remember again I close them up. After a while I pop a boveda pack in there and call it good.
You can do it the way you are planning, or many ways.

I'm retired, too.
 

H.A.F.

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I'd consider it a bloom enhancer really. Although, you can amend with it from the start and touch up later if needed. It's good stuff. I'd just do what the bag says, it gives you a couple options.

I have dried a plant whole. Messy when you go to trim it up, but dry is dry imo. It does dry slower because there is more to dry and it wicks from the stems. You can use different methods for different things. Like say right now it is super dry where you live. I'd consider drying the plant more or less whole to slow down drying. If it's been rainy and super humid, I'd cut it up smaller so that it dries out faster. You don't always need to look for the one way to do something and do it that way all the time. Everyone has their own way of drying and curing. Now I just cut off a cola, trim the loose stuff off of it and put it in a hanging drier. 3-5 days later it's done drying and ready to smoke. I trim up the dry stuff and nug it out. I jar it up at that point and conveniently it cures at the same time. When I remember I open it up and feel them. They get wetter after sitting in there for a few days so I open up the jars and when I remember again I close them up. After a while I pop a boveda pack in there and call it good.
You can do it the way you are planning, or many ways.

I'm retired, too.
I've dried many ways too, and my little cedar closet helps with the humidity while they get there. I usually just hang the cola, but if it was better to do whole but there were tricks, I wanted to learn them ;) I agree trimming around the top would be a bear.

This is what I ended up with from that monster-crop clone that was in with the contest plants. They all dried as cola, but for curing I snip them apart. Ended up with just under 100g, and it'll be cured in another 2 weeks. The center are 2 I left whole, left is the tops, and right are the nugs from those tops. About ping-pong ball size nugs.
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dstroy

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I've dried many ways too, and my little cedar closet helps with the humidity while they get there. I usually just hang the cola, but if it was better to do whole but there were tricks, I wanted to learn them ;) I agree trimming around the top would be a bear.

This is what I ended up with from that monster-crop clone that was in with the contest plants. They all dried as cola, but for curing I snip them apart. Ended up with just under 100g, and it'll be cured in another 2 weeks. The center are 2 I left whole, left is the tops, and right are the nugs from those tops. About ping-pong ball size nugs.
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They sell big glass airtight latching jars at michaels here, pretty cheap. If you need some more storage space or whatever. They're nice in the kitchen too.
 

H.A.F.

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They sell big glass airtight latching jars at michaels here, pretty cheap. If you need some more storage space or whatever. They're nice in the kitchen too.
I bought a 6-pack of the half-gallon mason jars at Wally-world. We think alike in this, because I already have them in the dishwasher ;) Haven't needed them yet, but it is probably the cheapest/best way to store the 4 plants separately.
 

Big Perm

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I've dried many ways too, and my little cedar closet helps with the humidity while they get there. I usually just hang the cola, but if it was better to do whole but there were tricks, I wanted to learn them ;) I agree trimming around the top would be a bear.

This is what I ended up with from that monster-crop clone that was in with the contest plants. They all dried as cola, but for curing I snip them apart. Ended up with just under 100g, and it'll be cured in another 2 weeks. The center are 2 I left whole, left is the tops, and right are the nugs from those tops. About ping-pong ball size nugs.
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Do you have a light in the cab or are you drying them in the pots?
 

H.A.F.

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My last thoughts on the dark period before harvest.

I read a lot, there is a lot of info, most of it conjecture. Many people do it, many don't.

Also from what I've read, claims that the darkness period produces more trichomes, makes it more resinous, or whatever being the main benefit has actually has nothing to do with it . Whether it would naturally - or because of the dark - who cares, any new trichomes wouldn't be ripe or have a noticeable THC content anyway.

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it is scientific fact that light degrades THC. So any trichomes that RIPEN during those last days will not be blasted with the best light that my money can buy, but will ripen in darkness. And this is done when you are seeing the ripening and planning on harvest.

This part makes a lot of sense, and would account for a plant with a dark period being a little better than one without. Even if people that did it guessed wrong as to why it got better.
 
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H.A.F.

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Do you have a light in the cab or are you drying them in the pots?
No lights just ventilation, so right now they are just sitting in the darkness. I think individual limbs will be less of a pain than whole plants, so i'll dry them regular.
 

Big Perm

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No lights just ventilation, so right now they are just sitting in the darkness. I think individual limbs will be less of a pain than whole plants, so i'll dry them regular.
Oh, ok. No, I haven't dried like that before. I thought you were talking about cutting at the base and hanging the whole thing upside down or something. I thought you put up a lights off pic until I couldn't see the lights.
 

H.A.F.

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Oh, ok. No, I haven't dried like that before. I thought you were talking about cutting at the base and hanging the whole thing upside down or something. I thought you put up a lights off pic until I couldn't see the lights.
I was - and it would be a pain - and that is not what is pictured :)

I think drying it like that you would have to smoke the roots right? (for homebrewer, it's a joke...)

Nah, I just figured that they are going to ripen regardless, they just won't be photosynthesizing - which can't hurt since they don't have a lot of foliage.
 
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J.James

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@H.A.F. How old were your plants when you put them under 12/12?
Here is a link to his April 16th post
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Officially into month 2 and flipped. I skipped doing a flush since they haven't been fed much in veg, but they each got their first "flower" or "transitional" feed depending on what the nute company calls it. Still have that in the back pocket if there's issues.

I pruned the lower fan leaves (node 3) and tucked the fan leaves around the lower 4 shoots (nodes 3 and 4)
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So, 4 weeks and a day before he flipped them​
 

Madriffer

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I bought a 6-pack of the half-gallon mason jars at Wally-world. We think alike in this, because I already have them in the dishwasher ;) Haven't needed them yet, but it is probably the cheapest/best way to store the 4 plants separately.
I use a 5 gal bucket and boveda packs.
That way I don't have to burp a dozen jars everyday. Then once cured I jar them and store in a dark closet.
 

Big Perm

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But it is scientific fact that light degrades THC. So any trichomes that RIPEN during those last days will not be blasted with the best light that my money can buy, but will ripen in darkness. And this is done when you are seeing the ripening and planning on harvest.
You can also trim it off as needed and let the lower canopy finish. Like grapes, you don't go pick every grape off when it is done, you pluck them off as they ripen. Grapes isn't a good example, corn might be a better one. Not seed corn that dries down to 20% moisture and then gets harvested with a combine, I mean sweet corn. You don't go chop down the whole field because some ears are done. Tomatoes might be the best example.
But this is just my opinion, and everyone has one.

Edit: I'm not positive, but I thought it was uv that degrades thc after harvest, not light. Unless an led is throwing out uv....like this beotch:
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Big Perm

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You can also trim it off as needed and let the lower canopy finish. Like grapes, you don't go pick every grape off when it is done, you pluck them off as they ripen. Grapes isn't a good example, corn might be a better one. Not seed corn that dries down to 20% moisture and then gets harvested with a combine, I mean sweet corn. You don't go chop down the whole field because some ears are done. Tomatoes might be the best example.
But this is just my opinion, and everyone has one.

Edit: I'm not positive, but I thought it was uv that degrades thc after harvest, not light. Unless an led is throwing out uv....like this beotch:
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@H.A.F. do not stare directly at your monitor when looking at that picture.
 

H.A.F.

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Tomatoes might be the best example.
But this is just my opinion, and everyone has one.

Edit: I'm not positive, but I thought it was uv that degrades thc after harvest, not light. Unless an led is throwing out uv....like this beotch:
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Yes tomatoes compares to what you are saying. But not like the big tomatoes where you only have one or two in a stem, and they get ripe at the same time, but like cherry tomatoes where there's a bunch on a stem, and the top ones usually get ripe first... unless you sell to a grocery store and cut them when the first one turns so they are ripe by the time it gets to the store... Unless you are talking about the whole plant, where you only pick the ripe tomatoes - then you're spot on ;)

I was thinking about that just because I now obviously have room to have both a plant waiting to be harvested, and some of the limbs hanging above it. But the tops were all on the same plane(ish) and seem to be similarly ripe.
 
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